Re: Limit on Alias
give it up. you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. an ifaddr is tiny. So what is the base size of one? Can you elaborate how it grows over time based on various levels of traffic?
Re: Limit on Alias
What it's the limit of number alias that a single ethernet interface can support? I believe 254?
Re: Limit on Alias
Hahaha. I don't understand the humor. I've had over 300k addresses on a single interface in a test environment before. Very cool, so it was a test environment. Did you roll it to production? How well did it work? Like Henning said, the limit is memory. I imagine memory would be a big factor. I guess I should have added that as a qualifier but in general unless you have gobs of RAM more than a few hundred in production might be an issue.
Re: multicore processors gain
A lot has changed since 1995. pthreads -- https://computing.llnl.gov/tutorials/pthreads/ rthreads -- http://www.informatik.uni-augsburg.de/~ungerer/rthreads/RThreads.html and etc.
Re: OT - gmail alternatives
How do they deal with legal jurisdiction? Technically the government can still subpoena and they'd have to turn over the documents in the persons account, including backups. I pine for Sealand but even then one would have to trust the owners of Sealand not to snoop. Again, the best solution is probably run your own. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Josh Rickmar joshua_rick...@eumx.netwrote: On Thu, December 9, 2010 2:37 pm, Scott McEachern wrote: On 12/09/10 10:01, lh wrote: Hi, what are the good available alternatives (security/privacy) for gmail you're using? Cheers! As many others suggested, using your own mail server that you control is the *best* way, but that doesn't answer your question. I know people that use Lavabit.com for free email and they swear by it. (I use my own mail server, thank-you.) The lavabit page boasts of privacy (a system so secure http://lavabit.com/secure.html that even our administrators can t read your e-mail) but you can never really know unless you're an admin there. They offer encrypted connections/ports to send/receive on top of port 25. HTH, - Scott Their encryption is only for paid users, not free accounts. I have an enhanced account with them that I use for my personal email. I have the asynchronous encryption option enabled, but yeah, there's no real way of knowing for sure. No complaints about the service though. Josh
Re: OT - gmail alternatives
IANAL but can't they hold you in jail for contempt or insert charge here until you hand it over. I thought I remember something similar in the news recently. On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Adam M. Dutko wrote: How do they deal with legal jurisdiction? Technically the government can still subpoena and they'd have to turn over the documents in the persons account, including backups. Use GPG so all the ISP could do is hand over the encrypted bits. You hold the key. Brad
Re: OT - gmail alternatives
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 8:20 PM, James Hozier guitars...@yahoo.com wrote: My ISP refuses to modify any DNS settings and won't give me a static IP address without a business account, so no proper reverse DNS. I don't have the resources to run my own nameservers, so what alternatives do I have in terms of running my own mailserver? I use a Linode VPS (~20 USD). They give full root access and a bunch of distributions to choose from (unfortunately no OpenBSD atm). They also give you the ability to manage your own host records via a web interface and a cheap backup option.
Re: Donations
Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some sort of illegal activity soon? If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. You're discussing intent. Intent is a tricky thing that in the past lawyers had to jump through hoops to prove in the (fed)nited States. Now with the (un)Patriot Act and other legislation they can rely on the whole notion of pre-crime. Seems like most of America is happy with point and click hegemony and I'm glad the Internet is trying to block the interrupts.
Re: Donations
I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natural human rights? US law? International Law? I'm just wondering because I think it's critical to the whole discussion. Julian Assange isn't a US citizen so the US Government probably feels justified doing whatever they want even if it is unethical, yet many think he should be protected by some of the US justice code/process. Is due process universal?
Re: soekris + openbsd server buy question
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:28 AM, shweg...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at the most there will be two-three computers connnected at the same time, and there might be some streaming video going through, like the videos you find on online newspapers. I have googled around, and read that this kind of hardware is fine as a router but not so much as a server. Is it true? Thank you for any suggestions. I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What about it? Thanks in advance. I own a 45xx series Soekris system which handles DMZ traffic (2 low load production web servers + RCS repositories, and 3 build systems for MariaDB), internal traffic (my home network for streaming movies and internet access) and ssh access to my DMZ just fine. The specifications for the Soekris system you mentioned don't lead me to be believe they'd be great for file server duty. When I think of file servers I think of fast disk (5501 can use SATA so that's a plus) coupled with a battery backed RAID controller with gobs of cache and redundancy somewhere preserving my data in case of disk failure. If your disk goes on the 5501 I imagine you're toast unless you have a continual backup process that doesn't chew your available bandwidth to zero. So, if I use it only for ssh tunneling both soekris and netbook would be fine? Of course, it has to be on 24*7. When I think of these machines and similar ones I think configuration file backup and restore. What I mean by that is you should be OK with waking up one day and finding your machine dead but able to get backup and running in a less than 20 minutes using a new device and your configuration file backups. I am NOT implying Soekris boards are unreliable, I love mine and would buy more if I needed to, but I am saying that planning for failure should be one of the first things considered when you're constructing a critical piece of your home/business network.
Re: virtualhost and httpd -U output
You probably have another NameVirtualHost *:80 directive set in another included config file. You can also check http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html for more information.
Re: nfsv4?
Interesting read(s)... http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2623.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3530.txt http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1813.txt On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Oct 29 06:05:28, James A. Peltier wrote: - Original Message - | On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:23 +0200, Henning Brauer | lists-open...@bsws.de wrote: | * James A. Peltier jpelt...@sfu.ca [2010-10-28 20:23]: | What it offers: | Kerberos security, | | what again? | | selectable security level (-o sec=krb5/krb5i/krb5p), | | ha ha ha ha | | firewall friendly | | right | | And this huge infrastructure creation (nfsv4/Kerberos/blah blah) all | so | his users can type 'cp' and 'mv' instead of 'put' and 'get'? | I don't get it. | Also the last time I checked SFTP was supported on all the | platforms he listed | Or did I miss something? No I cannot just put and get. Moving hundreds of gigabytes of medical imaging data around with FTP/SSH would be out of the question. Yet moving hundreds of gigabytes of medical imaging data around with NFS is OK. More specifically yet, moving them around with NFSv4 is OK, but moving them around with NFSv3 is not. Right? Let's stay technical: what exactly does NFSv4 do for you in your situation that NFSv3 does not? Kerberos security, as in users authenticate themselvzes? Firewall friendly? How exactly is NFSv4 more firewall friendly than NFSv3? (Don't get me wrong: I want a multi-platform shared storage too. I do it with NFSv3. You use NFSv4, Kerberos, and Samba. How exactly is that better?) Do you need file access or file transfer, in the sense of Callahan's standard NFS Illustrated book? Jan
Re: softraid ignorance (mine).
Yes it is possible. The actual commands are dependent on the firmware and device manufacturer. For instance if you have an LSI card you'll want to look into the MegaCLI.
CVS ls Disabled on Mirrors?
I recently tried to list contents of some of the CVS servers without doing a checkout to see if it would be feasible to write a small script to identify hot spots in the development tree based on recent commits. I believe this functionality is disabled due to security or resource usage concerns. The anoncvs.shar file shows most anon servers should chroot, drop privileges, and use read only mounts. I imagine it's the read only mount that's the sticking point. This can probably be accomplished using a local copy or a cloned server using cvssync. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something with regard to why ls/dir doesn't seem to work. Thanks.
Re: java/amd64/4.7?
I think i386 prebuilds b/c of the Kaffe piece. Should be in the FAQ.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Jay K jay.kr...@cornell.edu wrote:
ok, 1.5 built, 1.6 built, 1.7 in progress. Thanks.
I did say A for all during 15's extract.
Maybe there is a way to automate that.
I can remove 1.5 and 1.6 once 1.7 is there.
Still not understanding why i386 prebuilds this but amd64 does not.
- Jay
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:00:24 +0300
Subject: Re: java/amd64/4.7?
From: tomas.bod...@gmail.com
To: jay.kr...@cornell.edu
CC: misc@openbsd.org
Didn't have any problems with that anytime before. Just 'sudo make
install' or 'make install' as root in that directory ('make package
BULK=Yes' is better) and when it asks for some file, I download it and
place in /usr/distfiles and start that command again.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jay K wrote:
Ah, thanks. But there is i386. And I only need jre, not jdk or plugin.
I'll try from source within a few days (or maybe wait to see about
4.8).
You missed important part which is
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#javaplugin
So 1.7 requires 1.6.
1.6 requires 1.5.
They all require manual downloading lots of files.
And then it doesn't work anyway..
(SHA256) xalan-j_2_7_0-bin.tar.gz: OK
=== Extracting for jdk-1.5.0.16
/usr/local/bin/gtar: A lone zero block at 121752
replace control/make/Makefile? [y]es, [n]o, [A]ll, [N]one, [r]ename:
NULL
(assuming [N]one)
*** Error code 1
Arg.
Presumably I need to eithe redownload that file?
Though I bet that won't fix it.
Probably need to unpack, delete some file, hope it isn't used, repack..
- Jay
--
If you re good at something, never do it for free. The Joker
Re: CVS ls Disabled on Mirrors?
It's quite old, but I think that answer may be inside http://www.openbsd.org/papers/anoncvs-paper.pdf A listing would require write ability to /tmp and the paragraph right before section 4 indicates this is disabled (in the chroot environment). That seems to be the answer. Thanks.
Re: Force passwordcheck in login.conf
Thanks. I'll add that as a possible solution for folks who wish to add Python to the base install. Brad http://www.deweyonline.com/files/openbsd/login_-custompasswd Thanks for sharing. I didn't see any explicit log file closing but then again sys.exit() should clean up.
Re: Auto Logout Idle Users
Any good reason to not do this? They're not the same shell. I can't think of any security reasons because I'm not familiar with the code but as far as logs and noise factor I imagine it would go up or various things might start breaking that depend on csh.
Re: Connecting to Oracle DB from OpenBSD
Can any one share any wisdom on connecting to an Oracle DB from OpenBSD? The above is a rather nebulous question...are you doing this from a program and if so, in what language?
Re: Finicky Website and Outbound Load Balancing
Are you seeing proper responses after requests or are some responses getting lost. That would seem more probable. Have you done a tcpdump to check for timeouts or missing ACKs? On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, dontek don...@gmail.com wrote: Both. Redundancy, and mostly, because they are both relativity slow links it helps speed things up. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Adam M. Dutko dutko.a...@gmail.comwrote: Are you using two ISP's for redundancy or throughput because I would probably opt for a Virtual IP to make sure the session management system isn't getting confused with different source IP's which is probably your issue.
Re: Phoronix Test Suite
crickets chirping yawn /crickets chirping Continues working...
Re: Phoronix Test Suite
By the way, I like OpenBSD and I really appreciate its strong points but, unlike You, I have no problems in admitting its weaknesses (I see to much zealotry here)... Not that I have a lot of room to talk because I haven't submitted a patch yet... However, I think the general belief is that submitting patches with the identification of a weakness is the best way to get peoples attention and to start a meaningful discussion. Otherwise, I imagine submitting a bug with specifics or paying for a feature fix would also work? Am I wrong folks?
Re: Phoronix Test Suite
this statement is weird, in some way. I concur. I'll shutup. :-)
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
when ford sold the pinto with the 'exploding' gas tank, it just paid money out to settle claims after many people were burned to death. although i don't believe there is a precedent for it, possibly until now, many software companies have been doing the same thing: selling crap products that in essence 'explode' and hemorrhage valuable personal data to script kiddies, etc. If we are to compare the nature of software to a physical product, we need to remember a few things... 1) Proving software to be 100% correct is nearly impossible and in some cases completely impossible. (think halting problem and state space explosion) 2) Physical products often have a calculable degradation curve whereas given consistent conditions, software does not deteriorate in a way that is easily quantifiable. It does degrade under different conditions but see point #1 for another problem. 3) Even the best tested and mathematically proven software (think IBM space shuttle code) has bugs. I forget the exact cost because I don't have the paper nearby but the per line cost of the shuttle code was astronomical! If all software cost as much per line, no one would own a computer, except maybe governments and multi-billionaires. There are other points but I'm sure you get the gist... I'm glad I have a job, even if it means being a high-priced janitor.
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
I disagree with this. How many times a year are motor vehicles recalled? They don't replace the car, they fix it. Why can't defective software get a recall or a hefty fine if they refuse to fix it? This is a major reason I walked away from the paid software world, impossible to pay for quality. Hrm...seems you disagree with your own point. It is nearly impossible to pay for true 100% quality. Almost all physical devices come in models, which the next one usually fixes the defects. Software is very easy to fix the same model. So I see software as much simpler to improve on. That's why there are patches. But, just like physical products, patches can introduce new bugs because they too introduce new execution paths/change behavior. I believe one good approach to improving quality (whether it be real or not) is to reduce functionality. Such a move should reduce code complexity and execution paths. But, afaik code quality and code size are not strongly associated. I'm not making excuses for software. Software is hard which imho is what makes it appealing. I do love the paper Jan mentioned because it highlights the importance of standards bodies. It also highlights the potential use of government organizations to regulate markets, which is what the original article mentions. I won't say which I prefer because you can probably determine that on your own. Good discussion.
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
This is obviously not the intent. The intent is to have software that is reasonably crafted by software engineers. Not some slapped together turd with peanuts from different development teams. I agree it shouldn't be slapped together but you strike upon an interesting debate... Should developers have to be software engineers and be certified? Or are we OK with the hacker model? I hope you realize I'm not insinuating hacker means crap coder! I tend to think it's a superior model but it's also an evolutionary one, something most people don't have time for. Not interesting and not even true. Anyone who coded in the old world with lets say threads, knew that going to a newer better faster machine would always result in nice new racing bugs. I won't get into why this happened though. Sure, doing things faster doesn't mean it'll be better. Often it just means you'll hit a lock problem quicker than if you went slower. Can you elaborate on what you mean though...what's the equivalent to code rust? API breakage? Windows seems to have maintained crazy backwards compatibility. Not that I'm applauding it because it also means malicious can still run unless other means are leveraged to block it. Reasonable quality control is something people shouldn't hope for it should be something people demand. The reason why we have windows the way it is today is that in the early days people didn't put their foot down and said ENOUGH. The rest is history. I agree that's part of the reason. The reason why Apple is making such big strides with OSX is because they are capitalizing on this general feeling. OSX unlike windows isn't naturally chaotic and Apple does a fine job pretending they are secure. All in all a pretty smart marketing campaign that seems to be paying the bills just fine. Yes, until the other shoe drops. Your car runs hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of lines of code. Does it crash all the time? Microsoft spends more money on RD than NASA has to develop a rocket. Are you sure that they should not have been capable of any standard of quality? Not all the time, but there are many documented cases, not the least of which being the current popular hybrid car maker debacle. I've looked up a couple of reports on money spent specifically to improve quality for Microsoft and for NASA. NASA gives us a number at http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/420990main_FY_201_%20Budget_Overview_1_Feb_2010.pdfbut the number I found was specific to a group within NASA not as a whole. If you also count the Air Force space program which is much bigger but is also involved with NASA, the number becomes much larger: http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100201-050.pdf. Most of the information I found in Microsoft's filing and various news media articles doesn't talk about specific research for quality improvements. They talk about vague concepts. I do believe they're all capable of better quality software, it's just hard and expensive. Each are avoided like the plague in most corporate environments.
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
Illegal to run without antivirus ... disconnection of vulnerable computers. A much needed kick up the arse for software makers or just bat-shit insane? Coming soon... I tend to agree with your last comment. begin article summary Idiotic politicians with no business setting arbitrary rules on something they don't understand... end article summary
Re: ABOUT PEOPLE WITH WHOM MATRIMONY IS PROHIBITED
What about marrying blowfish? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:34 AM, S H sahservi...@gmail.com wrote: And the relevance of this to the OpenBSD community is? On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Sam Singh samsingh...@absamail.co.za wrote: 1 : If a man commits adultery with a woman, then it is not permissible for him to marry her mother or her daughters. 2 : If a woman out of sexual passion and with evil intent commits sexual intercourse with a man, then it is not permissible for the mother or daughters of that woman to merry that man. In the same way, the man who committed sexual intercourse with a woman, because prohibited for her mother and daughters. Download the attached article to read. The original file name is PROHIBITED_MATRIMONY.rar and compressed by WinRAR no virus found. Use WinRAR to decompress the file. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat]
Re: It is 2010. Still no 3GB support by default?
Maybe it's more attributable to increased interest and the increase has brought a proportional increase in what you call trolls. More noise is distracting but has fringe benefits...sometimes... On Jun 7, 2010 9:01 PM, Jason Beaudoin jasonbeaud...@gmail.com wrote: maybe I haven't been on this list long enoug.. but it seems like 2010 has been the year of the troll, first update to the chinese calander in ages.. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Dexter Tomisson dexterto...@gmail.com wrote: I'd really, reall...
Re: new mirror: ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de
Regardless of what list is appropriate...thank you for mirroring!
Re: Openbsd 4.6 free ram
This list is NOT a handholding bureau for lazy people. Dangit! I knew I was subscribed to the wrong list...
Re: Openbsd 4.6 bash and email notification
Wow. Sorry for my massive fail...I totally misread your question. Seems Jan read it correctly. :-/ On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Hect tagah...@email.it wrote: I can't get to disable email notification with bash. You know the message that says You have new mail in /var/mail/user. I tried, as bash manual says, to add variable MAILPATH to profile but doesn't do the job. There's no biff in ps command output, anyway i tried also with biff n. no way. Can anybody help me? Thanks a lot Hect -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Apri Conto Arancio entro il 28 febbraio 2010 e ricevi 50 Euro da spendere presso Media World. Aprilo adesso Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=10035d=18-5
Re: Openbsd 4.6 bash and email notification
I can't get to disable email notification with bash. You know the message that says You have new mail in /var/mail/user. I tried, as bash manual says, to add variable MAILPATH to profile but doesn't do the job. There's no biff in ps command output, anyway i tried also with biff n. no way. Can anybody help me? Thanks a lot Hect Are you sure the shell you're using is BASH and not KSH? echo $SHELL If it is BASH then are you exporting the variable such as... export MAILPATH='/var/mail/bfox?You have mail:~/shell-mail?$_ has mail!' Also, be aware that you need a ? separating the files to search and the message. HTH
Re: something to do
On 5/17/10 9:13 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: Here's something for the great OpenBSD todo list. George Neville-Neil gave a talk at BSDCan about hardware performance monitors in FreeBSD. There was a similar talk at DCBSDCon too. You should be able to find the slides online. It sounds like the driver framework should be easy enough to port to OpenBSD without getting too tangled up in weird complications. http://www.bsdcan.org/2010/schedule/events/186.en.html and slides at http://www.dcbsdcon.org/speakers/slides/neville-neil_dcbsdcon2009.pdf That is what you're referring to, correct?
Re: Semi-newbie NAT question
vr0 and vr1 are bridged together as bridge0. I was puzzled as to how it was working until you said this... I have a similar setup as you. I have a public interface with my public IP attached to the cable modem, then I have two other interfaces, one for internal hosts and another for DMZ hosts. In order to give a good amount of separation, logical and physical, I've setup two unique subnets, one for private side and the other for the DMZ. I simply point the DMZ hosts to the DMZ gateway address and then handle it through pf and do the same with internal/private hosts. I understand you don't want to use the fourth port, but it would make for clean separation and wouldn't require another public IP if you used a private subnet. An added benefit of such a setup is port redirects from the public IP to the other hosts, or using some sort of proxy to proxy connections to the DMZ hosts.
Re: Source Overview
I've started the list at http://openbsdsupport.org/todo and have taken what was posted during our conversation(s) on that list. I will look for others and will be happy to post links given to me for others. Thank you for the account Daniel.
Re: Source Overview
I've taken the shut up and hack as an answer and started working on testing a potential patch for an atheros problem with Luis. If you provide me an account and if everyone is OK sending me minimally formatted TODO lists I will gladly be the point of contact and maintain that list. What qualifies as minimally formatted? 1) Each item on a separate line prepended with a *. 2) (OPTIONAL) If you want, order them by importance. I will attempt to clean-up grammar and spelling. Daniel, please contact me off list, if you'd like, with the account information. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote: Please read as this is your challenge back should you actually step up to it with the usual line shut up and hack type of answer. This tread now spread on tech@ too and include may be 3 or 4 treads all referring to todo lists, janitor and all. I don't find it interesting anymore and plenty of answers were provided, but again nothing is done about it so in the same spirit of the well knows shut up and hack, I decided to show again how useless this might be and I would be more then happy to be proven wrong big time. I will even pay the beer if I am proven wrong for good. Now to close this for good and to show as many time in the pass that it will not go anyway, I setup yet one more users maintain lists here: http://todo.openbsdsupport.org/ or here if you prefer: http://openbsdsupport.org/todo/ same place anyway, but the URL is obvious I guess in the first one. There is nothing there and I challenge anyone that complain in the last week or so about not having a list and that it would be useful and allow great things to happened to do it. I WILL PROVIDE AN ACCOUNT to anyone that is actualy serious in doing this list and that will take it on. Collect all the variosu todo lists, make it clean and real here, not with funny pictures, design, and all. Just the list. It could be even as simple as a simple list of URL to places that have todo already. I don't think it will go anyway, but in the same spirit of showing the true color of winners, I raise yet again this variation on the same idea and same challenge as before. I have that domain as far back as 2004 following yet an other endless discussion about documentations/howto and all. Yes, I got minimal amount of contributions to it after all was setup but the wining stop. Just no progress however. I do have very minimal contribution in my inbox that I haven't been able to update yet as for lack of time on my part, but at the same time I sure do not get a regular flow of updates either in the 6+ years it exists. I know it will not go anywhere, but that's not the developers jog to make these lists that no one look at anyway, but many have done so. Also, I want to make it VERY CLEAR that this have nothing to do with the project what so ever. It's not endorse or supported by the project what so ever and it not associated with it in any shape or form. If you have a problem with that, take it with me, not the project. Theo knows about it, he told me log ago that was a waste of time and useless things to do and he was 100% right! But it still exists to stop the wining if nothing else as looks like we have more noise on the list always as time pass. So, may be if the only contribution this does is to reduce it, then so be it and just that is worth my time. Now, take the challenge on and show that everyone was wrong by doing your part. Contact me off list if you are serious and will do the list and i will give you access as long as you are not abusing of it. Hopefully this will close the subject and if anything good come out of it then great. Let see where it goes from here. The ball is in your camp now. You want a list, then make it so. Best, Daniel
Re: Source Overview
If you have to know why I didn't send a patch yet, it's because I'm working on a patch for an Atheros chip at the moment. That's also why I didn't do much with Ted's stuff and other things since yesterday. I did read the e-mails. I figured one could partake in the community when their schedule permitted. Maybe I'm wrong on that front as it seems like I should be hacking 24/7 and should have submitted patches to finish the RThreads code to even be allowed to post to the list. I simply requested the account on that persons system because I offered to help maintain the task list. I've not been contacted so I assume they're not interested. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.orgwrote: I concur. In summary, everyone offering help is lying; fact is they are unwilling to get off the couch. I appreciate the sentiment, but this isn't true. How many new developers have been added over the past few of years? How many patches have been taken from non-comitters? Never enough, but plenty to clearly show how it works. If you go back and look at who actually got an account, I bet you'll find they have one thing in common: They mailed diffs. Not requests for tasks. End of story.
Re: Source Overview
You are not the only one with limited time. Sorry for the late reply, but also I wanted to provide details as to why. I realize. The short of it is that in it if you look at it. It add more work to the developers by asking them to send in stuff. They already have it done for some. So, why duplicate the list. It will just get out of sync and obsolete very soon. Plus they have a list, so I think the most logical and efficient way to do it would be just like this: 1. Name 2. Very short blurb for area the todo cover 3. URL to the developers list. And that's it. Very good point. In my haste to volunteer I overlooked the extra burden placed on others by my suggested approach. If you'd like I can do what you recommended. The only think that this gives me as an idea that may have some merit is that a list of user group might be good to have and I can add that to the site. But again, that should be as minimal as possible. City, state or province, country, language and URL to the site for the group. If no URL, then some details could be added and that may actually get some usage may be. But keeping the time needed to maintain anything like this is a plus and not required any more from the developers have to be the goal. But again, I am not sure it's even good, but like I said, I am not oppose to. Like everyone else I have very little time and I didn't reply before, nor this morning to your email at 5:32AM when I saw it at 7:30 AM EST as I just finish an other project and I do need to get some sleep sometime as little as it might be and I have some kind of a life too and kids to take care of as well. I have similar obligations. Thank you for the salient points.
Re: Source Overview
Looking at this and Peters message, I think there may be an answer much simpler than a TODO list, which I think will never work out. If developers wanted a TODO list, we would already have one. Good point. ...snip... Perhaps the useful emails that have suitable TODO items could simply be tagged with a TODO. From a newcomers perspective that seems like a good idea. ...snip... Thanks for more input everyone.
Re: Source Overview
On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago. How about having a very simple per-developer(or project) wish-list/todo-list ? To a new-comer like myself, that seems like an excellent idea. I know developers are busy and synchronous meetings would be tough, but if it were possible, asynchronous mentoring using a TODO list would be nice. (Definitely a big wish though... :-) ). snip... No, I'm not trolling, just an idea. As an aside, I must say I am amazed at the response to this question. Thank you for your insight everyone!
Re: Source Overview
I read that thread and will now shut up and 'attempt to' hack. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Christiano F. Haesbaert haesba...@haesbaert.org wrote: I know this has been discussed before, yet I call for your attention. This post seems like a genuine attempt on getting pointers on starting hacking in OpenBsd. I remember doing the same a while ago. How about having a very simple per-developer(or project) wish-list/todo-list ? http://marc.info/?t=11937733634r=1w=2
