Re: OpenBSD 4.3 arrived to Chile
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Jorge Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guy's. My copy of OpenBSD arrived yesterday and it's in my hands. Thanks But how long did it take to travel that far? It takes one _month_ to arrive to Mexico, and it's one country - ok, a big one - away from Canada :-\ -- Gerardo Santana
Re: Window Manager
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Gonzalo Lionel Rodriguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if fvwm (default) had a traybar (and taskbar) for programs like pidgin or aMSN, that4s be great. if you don't like fvwm (it's certainly ugly) you can try the options mentioned. I prefer KDE. By the way, there's a mailing list about OpenBSD for Spanish speakers here: http://groups.google.com/group/OpenBSD-Mexico -- Gerardo Santana
Problems building bison on OpenBSD 4.3
I'm running OpenBSD 4.3-stable on i386. Ports are 4.3-stable too.
I tried to build bison and got the following error. Any ideas?
--- 8 ---
Making all in examples
Making all in calc++
make all-am
if c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../..-I/usr/local/include -O2
-pipe -MT calc++-scanner.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/calc++-scanner.Tpo -c
-o calc++-scanner.o calc++-scanner.cc; then mv -f
.deps/calc++-scanner.Tpo .deps/calc++-scanner.Po; else rm -f
.deps/calc++-scanner.Tpo; exit 1; fi
In file included from ./calc++-scanner.ll:2:
/usr/include/g++/cstdlib:49:28: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/string:45:28: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/g++/string:46,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/bits/stringfwd.h:44:28: bits/c++config.h: No such
file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:46,
from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:44:24: bits/c++io.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:45,
from /usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:46,
from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/cwchar:49:28: bits/c++config.h: No such file or directory
In file included from /usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:45,
from /usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:46,
from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/cwchar:65: error: conflicting types for `typedef struct
mbstate_t mbstate_t'
/usr/include/stddef.h:64: error: previous declaration as `typedef union
__mbstate_t mbstate_t'
In file included from /usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:46,
from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:63: error: 'streamoff' is used as a type, but is
not defined as a type.
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:77: error: syntax error before `__off'
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:78: error: missing ';' before right brace
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:80: error: semicolon missing after declaration of
`std::fpos_StateT'
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h: In constructor `std::fpos_StateT::fpos()':
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:75: error: class `std::fpos_StateT' does not
have any field named `_M_off'
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h: At global scope:
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:80: error: syntax error before `(' token
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:80: error: ISO C++ forbids defining types within
return type
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:80: error: non-member function `std::fpos_StateT
std::invalid operator()' cannot have `const' method qualifier
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:80: error: semicolon missing after declaration of
`class std::fpos_StateT'
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:82: error: syntax error before `' token
In file included from /usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:46,
from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/bits/fpos.h:39:1: unterminated #ifndef
In file included from /usr/include/g++/string:47,
from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/bits/char_traits.h:40:1: unterminated #ifndef
In file included from ./calc++-scanner.ll:5:
/usr/include/g++/string:40:1: unterminated #ifndef
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison/w-bison-2.1p0/bison-2.1/examples/calc++
(line 104 of /usr/share/mk/sys.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison/w-bison-2.1p0/bison-2.1/examples/calc++
(line 246 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison/w-bison-2.1p0/bison-2.1/examples (line
274 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison/w-bison-2.1p0/bison-2.1 (line 344 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison/w-bison-2.1p0/bison-2.1 (line 243 of Makefile).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison (line 2092 of
/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison (line 1392 of
/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison (line 1890 of
/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
*** Error code 1
Stop in /usr/ports/devel/bison (line 1422 of
/usr/ports/infrastructure/mk/bsd.port.mk).
--- 8 ---
--
Gerardo Santana
Re: Problems building bison on OpenBSD 4.3
On 3/25/08, Matthias Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 02:28:07PM -0600, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: I'm running OpenBSD 4.3-stable on i386. Ports are 4.3-stable too. How? It's not even released. Building it from source. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: Problems building bison on OpenBSD 4.3
On 3/25/08, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 02:51:27PM -0600, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: On 3/25/08, Matthias Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 02:28:07PM -0600, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: I'm running OpenBSD 4.3-stable on i386. Ports are 4.3-stable too. How? It's not even released. Building it from source. You managed to fuck up the build order, somehow. Your c++ compiler can't find its headers. You probably want to move /usr/include out of the way and regenerate it correctly. Thank you Marc. That fixed the problem -- Gerardo Santana
Re: [OT] Pursuing Management to adopt OpenBSD
On 3/20/08, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I been trying (rather unsuccessfully) to convince various clients and employers to adopt OpenBSD. Most people, I find, are resistent to change and would not use anything they are not familiar with. Others would say that if I leave the job, it would be hard to find people who can use (or even heard of) OpenBSD and in some places Management never heard of OpenBSD and have very little clue as to how good or bad it is compared to Linux/ Solaris and Windows thus they will just knock off the proposal in 2 seconds. Is there any way I could convince these people to make the move to OpenBSD? Suggestions, tips and tricks along with real life examples would be much appreciated. Thanks. Managers are all alike. Their priority is to save their asses, to have someone to blame in case of problems. That's why they spend a lot of money in big contracts with Big Companies and don't like to take any risk with software that doesn't have commercial support. I've been lucky, because wherever I have gone, the network is a mess. That gives me the justification to fix the problem with that wonderful, security-oriented and free tool called OpenBSD. After that, I've documented every maintenance task. That way your manager can be confident that, when a truck hits you, anyone can get the documentation and keep maintaining the thing. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: [OT] Pursuing Management to adopt OpenBSD
On 3/20/08, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After that, I've documented every maintenance task. That way your manager can be confident that, when a truck hits you, anyone can get the documentation and keep maintaining the thing. Anyone with a Unix/Unix-like background, of course. The documentation should be dumbed down enough to find it easy to follow for these guys, which is not very difficult, given OpenBSD ease of use. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: [OFFTOPIC] Naming convention for programs
Thank you guys for your ideas. I'll give them a second thought before deciding. Regards, -- Gerardo Santana
[OFFTOPIC] Naming convention for programs
We're writing a set of tools at work and I'm thinking of establishing a naming convention to enforce, before we get more programs deployed. I was thinking of verb-subject, or verb_subject, or viceversa. As always, I looked at OpenBSD for inspiration, and found pkg_* ssh-* rpc.* where the prefix is actually a sort of name space. And user* group* skey* no separator between subject and verb. Based on your experiences, and ignoring for a moment the historical reason, which naming convention would you use and why. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: Linus about C++
On 12/28/07, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - python or perl, which work just fine... perl has about the same set of defects as C++ (except for speed and reflection). python is probably about the same, I don't use it enough to comment. or Ruby (of Smalltalk heritage), which I suppose you haven't used enough to comment. It is said to be more OO than Python and Perl. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: OpenBSD kernel janitors
2007/11/3, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Nov 3, 2007 4:29 AM, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They write code, then they submit it, it does not suck too much and they take the suggestions of the current project leads. Then they resubmit better code. The rest of us should simply buy CD's, ask and answer the occasional Buy CD's until you get into the situation I got into with Vim Vandeputte - ordered a hoodie as a xmas present, he said he can ship it until xmas, and the first reply was after xmas. Take this, add the name calling and unfriendly atmosphere on the mailing list and you have an explanation why the OpenBSD isn't more popular than is - because there are factors that motivate people away from OpenBSD. More popular OpenBSD means more people sending donations. Your first problem is that you think this is some kind of popularity contest. It isn't. No one cares as much that openbsd adoption increases as they do about it being a good system. No one ever has. That's why no one will be sad when I call you a tool. Tool. You are the latest (again and again) in a long string of whiners. If you can't tell from the general tones of the responses you've gotten, your drivel bores people. Your whining doesn't contribute to anything useful, so you're not going to get anywhere with it. You're really just a bona fide troll. DS Can we stop the thread here please? You are not contributing anything positive to the discussion. And anybody else that doesn't have anything positive to add to this and any other thread please refrain from posting. Developers can say whatever they want, OpenBSD is their project. Actually, it's Theo's project. But everybody else please stop the insanity. Nobody is whining or trolling here. Except those that insist in calling names and posing as mean. Probably because they think it's cool to be mean in the OpenBSD mailing list. Guess what. You only look stupid. Just because developers pose as mean doesn't grant you any right to do so. It doesn't mean it's right either. Instead of replying and replying, and bashing the newcomers, could you please SHUT UP! and hack?. There would be no long whining and trolling threads if everybody thought before hitting reply and preferably ignored the supposedly trolls' and whiners' posts. To Karel and the rest asking legitimate questions, don't take offense. Developers can't invest time in teaching, or writing roadmaps, or todo lists. Period. Stop arguing or giving ideas. Nobody is listening. And don't even think of taking offense from the rest. Sadly, those mean posts are the result of a trend that started some years ago, from the newcomers by the way. P.S. Sorry Darren for directing it to you. Nothing personal! ;-) You just happened to be the last poster. -- Gerardo Santana
OpenBSD CD sets arriving to Mexico
I ordered it on September 18th and I got them today, October 30th (for those paisanos that want to know how long it takes.) I'm already running OpenBSD 4.2 of course from some time ago, but didn't want to miss the opportunity to get my DVD case and stickers to show off to my co-workers. Actually I bought two sets because I'm giving one to a client. Everyone of them gets an original CD set. A note for the maintainer of www.openbsd.org/orders.html: e-compugraf doesn't seem to sell OpenBSD in Mexico any more. I had to order it directly to Canada. I'm just waiting for my polo t-shirt that surprisingly didn't arrive along with my CD sets (and I say surprisingly because wrapping the CD sets with the t-shirt makes sense; shipping it separately and making me pay for that doesn't.) P.S. Hey, only one sticker?? -- Gerardo Santana
Re: OpenBSD CD sets arriving to Mexico
2007/10/30, Antti Harri [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 30 Oct 2007, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: P.S. Hey, only one sticker?? One? I have big puffy, OpenBSD and OpenSSH stickers. Certainly. I realized my mistake after sending the message. A mug* and a keychain is all I need now to be happy. * Yes, I've read those discussions. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: OpenBSD kernel janitors
2007/10/30, Miod Vallat [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Is there a list similar to Linux kernel janitors also for OpenBSD? It's a list of tasks for which you don't have to be experienced in the particular OS internals to be able to complete them properly. No, there isn't. There are, however, two de-facto janitors for the OpenBSD kernels: martin@ and I. Those janitors, however, are experienced developers. Quite frankly, the idea of the janitor being a rookie scares the hell out of me. How can you trust people if these people admittedly do not know what they are doing, or why they are doing things one way and not another? That said, I have a huge todolist, as a brain dump in text format. A good quarter of it are simple tasks, which one may consider janitor level. I am even considering posting it to tech@ on a rainy day with a bit more details. I am adamant I'll find volunteers to work on the various items. But in order to be able to trust their work, I'll need to share knowledge and make sure these people are smart and bold enough to understand what they are doing. This is not a problem, per se. The problem is - as usual - time. There are items on my list I don't have time to do, which would take me N hours. If I need to talk to someone and ``hold his/her hand'' and guide him/her for 4*N hours, I've lost even more time. I am not reluctant to share my experience. I just don't have enough time to do this, and I can not guarantee I'll be able to devote those 4*N hours to someone to help him/her get started and work on nice things. That's a waste, because these janitoring tasks make you learn a lot of things in no time. But I don't want to betray the trust of people willing to help, as long as I am able to help them get started until they can fly by themselves, by not being there enough time in the beginning. Working on the kernel is not something you can do with a ``1 hour every week or every month'' rate. You need to dive for a longer time, especially at the beginning, because there are many things to get acquainted with. That's when you need as much support as possible. And that's the kind of support I, as an individual, can not provide. Miod I had a similar problem at work. After investing a lot of time training a new engineer to accomplish [database, servers, network] administration tasks, taking his/her hand, guiding him/her through the steps I want him/her to make things the-way-I-want-it... they leave. And I have to start all over again with the next engineer. I was tired of that. The last time, I made her write the documentation in Docbook, foolproof guides, for the next engineer. Problem solved, more or less. Marc Espie is so good at that for example. Anybody with basic skills and enough interest can port software to OpenBSD. My point is that maybe instead of tutoring a person, time is better used writing documentation or guidelines about where to start, what steps to follow and how to do things the-way-you-want. These documents will reach more people and have more impact than tutoring someone. I would bring art@ to the discussion too, who has been reluctant to tutoring people but that has a lot of knowledge that would be a pitty that he gets hit by a truck before sharing some! ;-) Or probably the documentation of the kernel itself as a project would help. [Recalling...] which was Espie's idea sometime ago. Well Karel, you may start with this. Just my 20 centavos. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: OpenBSd or HP-UX?
2007/8/29, Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Aug 28, 2007 at 09:45:01PM +0200, Marc Balmer wrote: Joachim Schipper wrote: P.S. One more issue: you *do* realize that getting OpenBSD to authenticate against LDAP is not entirely trivial, right? This might be a serious problem if the LDAP system is to handle network-wide logins... OpenBSD can not authenticat against an LDAP server. Well, stricly speaking it can, but you have duplicate all accounts on OpenBSD. So realistically it can't. Yes, that's what I meant. Sorry for being so oblique, but I presumed the original poster was aware of this issue. Mind you, duplicating all accounts on OpenBSD isn't actually impossible in almost all sane circumstances - it's just that you lose most of the benefits of LDAP. Joachim I haven't setup an LDAP server on OpenBSD yet but I'm thinking of it. I was surprised with your message. Isn't using sysutils/login_ldap and configuring it in /etc/login.conf enough for authenticating OpenBSD users against an LDAP server? Why do you have to duplicate accounts? Thanks -- Gerardo Santana
Re: binpatch, was: moving kernels...
If anybody is interested, a mailing list has been opened to follow the discussion on and contributions to binpatch: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/openbsdbinpatch-misc -- Gerardo Santana
Re: binpatch, was: moving kernels...
2007/1/6, Ingo Schwarze [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Marcos Laufer wrote on Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 11:03:10AM -0300: From: Tasmanian Devil [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openbsdbinpatch.sourceforge.net/ :-) Wow, that openbsdbinpatch looks pretty good! I 've just downloaded it and the idea of making binary patches in order to easily copy them to other similar machines is excellent. Indeed it is a simple and powerful idea, and the code is not too difficult to understand. It worked for me when i used it. Yet, be careful. Binpatch is *definitely* unsupported by the OpenBSD project. The standard way to do the task is release(8). What is more, Binpatch is essentially unsupported by its author, too. Neither Gerardo nor me take the time to update it regularly, nowadays. More than a year ago, i checked and edited the Makefile, made it easier to understand, easier to maintain, shorter and more robust. Several of my suggestions were incorporated by Gerardo into the Sourceforge 1.0.0 release, but not all - mostly because i sent those changes in more than one batch, and he found no time to process the last of these batches. I did not pursue the subject rigourously enough to get commit access to the SF repository myself. So if you use it, you will probably need to do maintenance work yourself, first of all adapting it to OpenBSD 4.0. It would be great if openbsdbinpatch could be configured like TEPATCHE specifying the folder where to get the patches from, instead of specifiyng patch by patch in the Makefile, so it could be used to patch any OpenBSD version, not just the last one. Perhaps someone with some programming skills could do it. Maybe i shall come back to the project, maybe not. Currently, it is not near the top of my priority list. Hello there, First of all, thanks for the kind words. Let me clarify some things: binpatch is mainly bsd.binpatch.mk. That's all. There's an 'include' target that I haven't yet implemented but which is trivial to do. Some people have already sent me a patch for it. Makefile is supposed to be maintained by you, adding new patches as they are announced. Some time ago I suggested to use a kind of XML feed for errata such that it would be easy to retrieve it and generate/modify a Makefile from it. It was almost ignored back then. What do you think now? We can always parse errata.html (I think that's what tepatche does) but it is not ellegant nor we can trust that it will always work. Developers are not precisely HTML gurus and are not so correctness driven coding HTML than they are coding C. -- Gerardo Santana http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: ksh: cannot fork - try again ??
2006/4/14, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: since i've started doing C programming on my openbsd-3.8 release machine, i've had a problem with running processes. sometimes i get the following message when trying to issue shell commands: ksh: cannot fork - try again looking at my ulimit output, i see the following: $ ulimit -a time(cpu-seconds)unlimited file(blocks) unlimited coredump(blocks) unlimited data(kbytes) 524288 stack(kbytes)4096 lockedmem(kbytes)316622 memory(kbytes) 945236 nofiles(descriptors) 128 processes128 should i change my login class settings in /etc/login.conf, or is sufficient to change them with $ ulimit -n 128, etc.? i'm not sure what's going on here, so any advice is appreciated. this is my desktop machine and i have a lot of stuff open concurrently on it. Hhmmm... is it KDE?, it may use many file descriptors, specially while browsing with Konqueror. cheers, jake -- Gerardo Santana Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of others is peace - Don Benito Juarez http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: anoncvs prompts for password
2006/1/15, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Two days later, I wanted to cvs up the souce from my OpenBSD box, and
was stuck at the cvs prompt, when It asks me for a password:
Script started on Sun Jan 15 11:20:34 2006
# cd /usr
# export CVSROOT=[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs
# cvs up -Pd
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Permission denied, please try again.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: cvs [update aborted]: received
interr
# exit
Script done on Sun Jan 15 11:21:28 2006
I have searched in the FAQ with no clues.
Thanks in advance for your help
Ramiro
I have investigated it further, and:
When yesterday I tried another mirror, changing CVROOT env variable, I
asumed that cvs up -Pd will pick the new mirror. But it picks instead
the mirror that is on the /usr/src/CVS directory, so in order to use the
new mirror, I needed to use the -d$CVROOT parameter.
Alternatively you can change CVS/Root in each directory:
find . -name Root -exec perl -i -pe
's,.*,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs,' {} \;
--
Gerardo Santana
Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of
others is peace - Don Benito Juarez
http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: anoncvs prompts for password
2006/1/15, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
When yesterday I tried another mirror, changing CVROOT env variable, I
asumed that cvs up -Pd will pick the new mirror. But it picks instead
the mirror that is on the /usr/src/CVS directory, so in order to use the
new mirror, I needed to use the -d$CVROOT parameter.
Alternatively you can change CVS/Root in each directory:
find . -name Root -exec perl -i -pe
's,.*,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs,' {} \;
--
Thank you Gerardo for the tip!
I'm not happy with spawning perl each time a file is found, though.
That looks more like a job for sed, not perl.
I recalled there was a patch for sed to add in-place editing and
wondered what happened to it. I thought it was commited.
I just found the thread:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-techm=112831218022633w=2
I hope it can be reconsidered.
--
Gerardo Santana
Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of
others is peace - Don Benito Juarez
http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: errata 001_perl.patch
2006/1/12, Joerg Streckfuss [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi list. last night i patched my openbsd-3.8 soekris-box. Everything went fine. I've got another box for firewalling with 512MB-flash standard setup, but without any compiler-suite installed. Of course i want to patch this box as soon as possible. shoud i copy the complete perl-files to this box? or is there a smarter way to have an upgraded system? http://binpatch.openbsd.org.mx/ *if* you trust me. -- Gerardo Santana Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of others is peace - Don Benito Juarez http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: Ruby queries
2005/12/17, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello misc@openbsd.org, I have been tinkering with ruby on OpenBSD recently, and I have come across the following troubles, which I have researched on google and marc, but no cigar: a) I have been unable to configure mod_ruby. First if all I jumped in and added a LoadModule line and also an AddType line to my httpd.conf, and hoped it would work. It didnt. Secondly I constulted the mod_ruby webpage, which offers a more complicated solution, which also didnt work. Then I stumbled across mod_ruby-enable in the packing list, which pretty much does what I did in the first case, but copies the .so to another dir (is this neccessary? Unaccounted for files are not good). So my basic question is how do you set up mod_ruby, and could it be documented someplace? This may not be your case but if you want to use Rails I suggest you to try lighttpd + fastcgi, it is recommended over mod_ruby. b) Which pkg holds tcltklib? If I try to run any program that requires tk, then I get an error like this: /usr/local/lib/ruby/1.8/tk.rb:7:in `require': No such file to load -- tcltklib I have tcl, tk, tcllib installed. Ruby is not asking for a Tcl or Tk library, but for the ruby interface to these libraries named tcltklib. You probably need to build it yourself from sources; it is located under ext/tcltklib. -- Gerardo Santana Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of others is peace - Don Benito Juarez http://santanatechnotes.blogspot.com/
Re: OpenBSD website Design.
2005/9/7, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, One of my friends sent me this new OpenBSD website design he created. Please have a look at it :-D http://mayuresh.freeshell.org/openbsd/ Thankyou so much Kind Regards Siju By the way, it's a nice design indeed. Clean and usable. I'm thinking of borrowing some ideas from it :) -- Gerardo Santana Between individuals, as between nations, respect for the rights of others is peace - Don Benito Juarez
Writing errataXX.html easier and providing a kind of RSS feed of vulnerabilities at the same time
What if we had something like this: errata release=3.7 patch id=12 name=copy type=security date=2005-03-16 arch=amd64 More stringent checking should be done in the a href=http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=copyamp;sektion=9;copy(9)/a functions to prevent their misuse. /patch !-- more patches here -- patch ... patch /errata We would be able to build the respective errataXX.html from it, separating format from content, and providing at the same time a kind of RSS feed for those who want it (like me). The benefits would be many: For developers maintaining errataXX.html: - One single place for changing the format of _all_ the errataXX.html pages (layout, links to new releases, colors, ...) - No need to mess with HTML when adding a new patch, except for writing the patch description. - No more errors because of copying an old errataXX.html as a base for writing the new errata.html We could even use it for sending a mail automatically to security-announce@ For translators: - Focus on translating the text only - No need to track changes in the format of the pages any more :) For users: - A simple, easy to parse file for getting errata up to date - Eases the writing of scripts for automating patching XSL would do the magic here. It would be as easy as: $ xsltproc errata.xsl errata-37.xml errata37.html We only have to edit errata.xsl to change the layout/format for all the errataXX.html files. We could even write a Makefile for that. errataXX.html would be not the only pages generated from a script (groups.html is already generated from one). If any developer/translator/user is still reading this and thinks it would be good idea ... you can find two samples and the XSL script in the URL provided below. It's a working _prototype_ that I could developer further if it is of any interest. It may lack of many things yet (update date time comes to mind). http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/errata/ -- Gerardo Santana
RSS feed for errata
This has been discussed before. I think many people here agree this would be very useful. Some has even volunteered to do it, but I haven't found anything in Google about it yet. So, the question is ?has anybody made it?, otherwise, ?is anybody willing to do it? -- Gerardo Santana
Re: RSS feed for errata
2005/8/24, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This has been discussed before. I think many people here agree this would be very useful. Some has even volunteered to do it, but I haven't found anything in Google about it yet. So, the question is ?has anybody made it?, otherwise, ?is anybody willing to do it? I've just found this from a message by dhartmei in undeadly: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=errata It seems like a first attempt like Daniel says. Is it going to be improved maintained? Just to know if I should wait for it or start coding it myself. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: RSS feed for errata
2005/8/24, Ray Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:03:04AM -0500, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote: 2005/8/24, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This has been discussed before. I think many people here agree this would be very useful. Some has even volunteered to do it, but I haven't found anything in Google about it yet. So, the question is ?has anybody made it?, otherwise, ?is anybody willing to do it? I've just found this from a message by dhartmei in undeadly: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=errata It seems like a first attempt like Daniel says. Is it going to be improved maintained? Just to know if I should wait for it or start coding it myself. http://www.vuxml.org/ This is what I use. Could use some work but it is up to date and seems to be maintained. That's for ports packages. I'm talking about something similar for the base system. -- Gerardo Santana
Re: ayuda con sendmail
2005/8/18, Efrin Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED]: no pueden salir ni entrar correos [snip] que puedo hacer La lista de corre en espaqol esta aqum/The Spanish mailing list is here: http://groups.google.com.mx/group/OpenBSD-Mexico/ ?Seguro que es un OpenBSD? Tal parece que no pudo resolver el dominio gmail.com, quiza algzn problema con el servidor DNS o tu conexisn a Internet. Continuemos la discusisn en la direccisn que te envii. -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: binpatch
2005/8/16, Ingo Schwarze [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Gerardo, hi Gaby, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido wrote on Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 08:56:39AM -0500: On 8/16/05, Gaby vanhegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.openbsd.org.mx/pub/binpatch/ Has not built any patches for 3.7, despite there being 4 security advisories published about it. I stop to build them [ironically] because of lack of resources. I lost them some months ago when I was unemployed (in January). But you can always donate to help me buy a new hard disk/PC and pay my Internet bill :) Are there any other binpatch providers out there the people use? Not yet. But recently, i ported binpatch to OpenBSD 3.7 for my own use. Gerardo, would you think it useful if i put the result public on www.studis.de? Would you be willing to cross-check in order to identify possible bugs? It's ok for me. I think it would be useful for many people. I already got your changes, but I haven't had the time to check them. From the summary, they look very important. I'm looking forward to rethink binpatch, since I built it the first time for a more complex scenario that is not relevant. Coincidentally, I was studying the great pkgtools by Marc Espie and it has given me some ideas to create the patchtools ;-) With a framework like that, users would be able to install/uninstall patches, track the patches installed and automate updates easily, things I have been asked for many times. We do have fast Ethernet (100 Mb/s) access to the german Wissenschaftsnetz and are allowed to use it for research study puposes - which should in this case apply, imho. Of course, i cannot guarantee that our server will stand the load if *very* many people start using that - but i doubt it will generate more traffic than the several dozen mailing lists we are already running... Great. It's a pitty I'm too far from Germany to benefit from it (uploading the binary patches). But if you can afford serving the binary patches, it would be nice to have a mirror. I'm ordering a new hard disk right now. Thanks Ingo. Yours, Ingo -- Ingo Schwarze [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Karlsruhe student organisation -- Gerardo Santana
Re: Text editor
On 8/6/05, Mike Henker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi yesterday I installed OpenBSD 3.7 seem to be all ok, my question is how I can edit the files of the operating system,what editor you recommand? (I m a newbie) If isn t in the default installation how can I install it? I saw the FAQ and the man but I can t find info about this doubt. Thanks Salutes, Mike vi is my editor of choice. But if you don't have a UNIX background you might want to try joe. -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: '.' in username
On 7/20/05, Tim Hammerquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn K. Quinn wrote: Bruno Rohee wrote: Thus breaking a behaviour that people have been used too for about the last 30 years. Telnet was used for most of the last 30 years, too. telnet is still a wonderful tool that I use all the time. $ telnet hostname 25 $ telnet hostname 80 $ telnet hostname 22 It's great for testing basic service availability, version strings, or even a manual session without a lot of process overhead or connection negotiation. Tim He meant telnetd of course -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: Theo gave an interview to Forbes Mag. about Linux
The best part for me: I think our code quality is higher, just because that's really a big focus for us _Quality_ is the point. On 6/17/05, Steven Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love this part You know what I found? Right in the kernel, in the heart of the operating system, I found a developer's comment that said, 'Does this belong here?' Lok says. What kind of confidence does that inspire? Right then I knew it was time to switch. On 6/17/05, J. Lievisse Adriaanse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not everybody there is happy about Theo's words...oh well, what gives ;-) Jasper On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:25:56 +0100 Stephen Marley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 04:48:31PM +0200, J. Lievisse Adriaanse wrote: Theo gave an interview to Forbes Magazine, in which he stated: It's terrible, De Raadt says. Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.' Heh. Theo never did pull his punches. I suppose there's now a war going on in /. ? :) -- stephen -- checking whether you're still watching...probaly not :-) /usr/ports/x11/wmx configure script. -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: i don't *mean* to be stupid. it just happens. need a refresher...
Well, you could have looked at the Makefile inside /usr/ports :) make search key='something' On 6/8/05, Rick Barter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've obviously spent too much time away from the console lately. I am looking for a package and can't, for the life of me, remember how to find them. I know there is a search key option to a command, but I can't remember which command. make? pkg_info? I've tried searching the archives, but I can't seem to find it. I've looked for 'find package' and 'find port'. I found a package finder at http://ports.puffy.nu/?f=s, but this doesn't really help me remember the proper command. Also, it says ethereal is in /usr/ports/net/ethereal, but I can't find it. Like the subject says, 'i don't *mean* to be stupid. it just happens. need a refresher...' Any help is appreciated, rvb -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: [slightly OT] Zaurus -- to buy or not to buy?
On 5/31/05, Marc Espie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 11:11:08PM +0200, Matthias Kilian wrote: - Keyboard: it's a little bit small (of course). What's your experience using it? The keyboard has got an amazing good feel considering its size. Of course, your mileage may vary, but I find it really nice. I was thinking of buying one too [when I get paid... someday], the idea of having a pocket computer with a full featured OS (wireless networking, services, X, etc..) is soo irresistible. The problem is I'm in Mexico, not Europe. Are they still available in the USA? P.S. Marc, did you get the qmake patch? -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: OBSD 3.7 ports -- mysql
This can help: bsd.port.mk(5) On 5/24/05, Russell Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-05-24 at 22:31 -0400, Bryan Allen wrote: On May 24, 2005, at 9:25 PM, Russell Fulton wrote: Hi Folks, I've just installed mysql from the ports on my 3.7 system. All went well (I did not see any errors) but so far as I can see only the client stuff was installed. The server is there in the ports tree under /usr/local/libexec/mysqld but it is not installed. Nor does there appear to be a start up script or safe-mysqld. Any ideas? env SUBPACKAGE=-server when you make install, or install it from the package it compiles and places in: Thanks Bryan -- some other kind soul pointed out that this example is in the ports man page. Something I had not found before, sigh... We live an learn and sometime even remember what we have learnt! I would have found it really helpful if the 'make install' had warned me that there were sub-packages and referred me to the man page. I'd be happy to submit a patch to do this if I could figure out where bsd.port.mk lives. I spent several hours going though the Makefile and googling but failed to find the vital info. I did see the sub package reference in the make file but failed to figure out that these were imported from the environment. Cheers, Russell [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] -- Gerardo Santana
Re: How to debug something like this?
On 5/23/05, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2005/5/24, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/22/05, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, this maybe offtopic, but I am almost desparate. Last night I migrated the nedbsd.nl 3.5 server to a other machine running 3.7. The specs are the same, except for the network card. On 3.5 I used fxp0, now I use xl0. Everything works fine (well, I do miss nullfs but use loopback nfs as a substitute now), except for the jabber services. I use jabberd 1.4.3.1 Would it be difficult to use jabberd-2.0s8 instead? Well, never really looked at it. But I was dissapointed 2.0s4 was in ports. My fault. I had been away from the computer for a while for strong reasons, ...hard times. And that port only had mysql support and I don't want mysql on my server. If you could add a postgresql flavor :-) Done. See patch in ports@ It needs someone to test it though : Using a database backend would be great though. But it will take lots of testing for me. It's very straightforward. I'm running it with MySQL. I can help you with PostgreSQL. Wijnand -- Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido http://www.openbsd.org.mx/santana/ Entre los individuos, como entre las naciones, el respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz -Don Benito Juarez
Re: OpenBSD 3.7 Torrents are now available
On 5/20/05, Dan Bond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because it's the source? That precesily the reason why those files should be available in that link. I was trying to work that one out too but didn't really get around to working it out. ?? Dan On 5/20/05, Gerardo Santana Gsmez Garrido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/19/05, andrew fresh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can get OpenBSD 3.7 from the torrent site here: http://openbsd.somedomain.net/index.php?version=latest+release quick links: AMD 64: http://openbsd.somedomain.net/torrents/OpenBSD_3_7_amd64-2005-05-19-1824.torrent i386: http://openbsd.somedomain.net/torrents/OpenBSD_3_7_i386-2005-05-19-2115.torrent Anything else you should be able to get from the url above. Not all architectures are synced yet, but they are going. http://openbsd.somedomain.net/torrents/OpenBSD_3_7-2005-05-19-1703.torrent doesn't have ports.tar.gz, src.tar.gz and sys.tar.gz :-S l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proud member: http://www.mad-techies.org BOFH excuse of the day: Your computer's union contract is set to expire at midnight. -- Gerardo Santana -- Gerardo Santana
