I just installed an amd64 snapshot and spotted 2 odd things. I see there is
a mail for root, but when i run mail command i get the text No mail for
The other is I login in xenodm to use cwm for the fisrt time after install
and the xenodm is restarted. Second login and future logins
Technically speaking, is it possible for a window manager to have a
performance impact on running applications in the GUI area?
Real case: i had to run firefox very fast on a fresh snapshot install, so i
used the default fvwm instead of cwm. The graphical response is instant,
> How do you use baresip-gtk?
If I recall correctly, all you get is an icon in the system tray bar if you
have one. You can click there and get a not very rich GUI.
Most recent snaphots. amd64, DHCP client for interface is always displaying
no lease . sleeping. It actually gets the IP address, but this message
is always there. I tried with more routers, same thing.
That short with a metallic wire was just for quick check. It is not
recommended for prolonged usage! It will block any communication on the
RS232 cable. For future usage you still need a resistor.
> I am therefore extremely grateful to Cullum Smith and the other "OpenBSD
> laptop" howtos for making it feasible to get this far.
Go get grateful on that blog's address and stop spamming here, please.
Your point is totally wrong. Totally!
Correction: pin 3 and pin 5 must be connected.
[ ... ]
That serial port is a plug (male connector), so not so easy to put
resistors on it.
Plug the null modem cable in it, so you will get a socket (female
connector) on the other. Grab the socket from the other end, and stick a
plain metallic wire in pin 5 (GND) and 2 (RXD). Then check your
I use to run pkg_add with multiple package names, something like:
pkg_add -vV gimp libreoffice geeqie audacity inkscape vlc mupdf
I am sure gimp is ahead of vlc in the command line. I saw something strange
[ ... ]
I took the chance and installed from a recent snapshot - 12.01.2021. I got
a kernel panic at first boot after install, related to missing firmware for
I disabled the radeondrm then the boot process was fine and I installed
radeondrm firmware by hand. At the next boot everything was fine
> While at it, link /bin/ls to /bin/rm
An Apple fanboy trying to look 1337 in a linux style on an OpenBSD mailing list.
> I mostly use macOS for that now [...]
I think it's better to stay on that system only, and avoid spamming misc
with your cross-breeding experiments. Seriously now.
I was in the same situation, impatient to have a 2021 snapshot.
Dirty hint: the .hk mirror still has the base part from 2020! But try it as
a last option, the folks there are not so bandwidth fortunate. After
installing the base, please switch /etc/installurl to something more
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 8:21 PM Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:57 PM Claudio Jeker
> > wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:30:48PM +0200, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > > > Would it be
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 7:57 PM Claudio Jeker
> On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 05:30:48PM +0200, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > Would it be interesting from the OpenBSD point of view  ?
> >  http://www.micromagic.com/news/RISCv-Fastest_PR.pdf
> No, this is
Would it be interesting from the OpenBSD point of view  ?
> I've managed to [...]
Others too. Try to read a...@openbsd.org or arm-openbsd on MARC .
I have only good wishes for the project, but I still don't get one thing:
why do some people start to behave oddly whenever Apple comes into
They are doing a proprietary thing, closed as hell, no documentation and so
on. Why is this impulse to write code for such a thing. Just asking
> The combination of the computer and switch together can be considered a
I have Mikrotik hAP ac2 in test for a few days. That is exactly something
like this, 4 cores ARM for routing, switch attached for vlan'ed interfaces,
plus wifi. And it is a real charm as performance and price. But
Lee Nelson wrote:
> If I have multiple USB Ethernet adapters of identical make and model,
> how does OpenBSD distinguish them over time.
Is this happening to APU with same hardware interfaces, too?
Recent snapshot install for amd64, first run reports the missing package
> bridge(4), and add a vether ...
Reading thru man pages I see there are other options: switch, aggr, trunk,
I barely understand these, since IP is an ugly business.
My intention is to replace ISP router with something based on OpenBSD I can
configure myself. I see now that APU4 is too much,
> What is wrong here?
You show info about vlans then suddenly complain about non working dhcpd.
Hint: show some dhcpd configs.
In the scenario of building a router with APU4, one interface is for wan,
the rest of three are free to use.
What is the most sane and performance wise ( CPU load, interface load,
etc.) way to tie together the remaining three interfaces as a switch, and
avoid using one IP class per
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 12:30 PM Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 12:21:30PM +0200, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> [ .. ]
> > CPU0: 22.4% user, 0.0% nice, 3.8% sys, 0.6% spin, 0.6% intr, 72.7%
> > CPU1: 21.2% user, 0.0% nice, 3.0% sys, 0.2% spin,
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 9:29 AM Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> vmstat only swows pi an po, pages paged in and out, not swap usage.
> For sysyat: the vmstat view does not show swap usage, but it does show
> paging/swap traffic. The swap view does (per swap device), as does the
> uvm view
My computer has 2 x 4GB memory, as one can see in dmesg. A part of it is
used by the video card, I'm not sure how much, maybe around 256MB or less I
want to know if I will hit the swap space when I will let it run on 1 x 4GB
memory, but I'm not sure how to interpret some of the following
[ ... ]
So, why do you trim outputs? Where is the full dmesg? Do you fear something?
Do you realize that your and other people's problems with sound in
particular CAN BE related to other hardware present in your computer or a
I used CUPS every time since LPD is a confusing thing for me. I mean I was
never able to make it print. My Brother network printer shows this at
￼Web Based Management (Web Server) HTTP Server Settings
￼SNMP Advanced Settings
￼LPD Advanced Settings
￼IPP HTTP Server
> ATI Radeon HD 5470 Audio
That should be the HDMI audio from the video card and as far as i know
there is no support in OpenBSD for HDMI audio output.
There lines from dmesg you need are:
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 3400 HD Audio" rev 0x06: apic 2
Is there a way to interface LPD directly with GUI apps like Chromium,
mupdf, etc? I mean just to print from GUI menu Print.
> Hope this helps
How much did you pay per unit, please?
Try the volume up key, since the speakers volume might be set to minimum.
Not all cwm options are configurable from a file. One needs to change the
source code for some settings. What can be configured is shown by typing:
$ man cwmrc
So please switch to a RELEASE, or use another operating system, or
> figure your shit out.
> Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > Hello,
> > Out of curiosity, what is fido library used for since it changes _a lot_
> > breaking sync between base and ports in snapshots?
> > Thanks
Out of curiosity, what is fido library used for since it changes _a lot_
breaking sync between base and ports in snapshots?
> But sometimes, the file selection will offer the content of /tmp and you
have no way of making it something else.
Many times when Firefox jumped in discussions, it was said a clear
statement: use Chromium. You are safer and supported. You choose something
else, you are on your own <- multiple
My 13 years old monitor is fading out and I will need to get a replacement
soon. Shops are offering here many monitors with resolution greater than
Full HD 1080p,with a little price increase only. I never used nor tested
such a monitor on OpenBSD X server.
I am afraid fonts will be too
> Is there a work around for the removal of i386_get_ioperm()
> Can i386_iopl() be used in some way?
There are some alphanumeric LCDs out there with RS232 or USB interface.
A medium C programmer can work them out without a driver in a day.
Why the hell do you want to change an entire OS for a
> can somwone explain me ...
I guess one can, but it must be from old unix days. Things got changed and
mixed, but they are considered ordinary now, so ordinary that even a basic
newbie unix book skips them entirely.
I am curious even now what is the link among shell, terminal, console, tty.
| Well then, I guess I just stop switching around between different login
What about avoiding Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and ... F5 wich is X) and use ... +F2,
You could still miss some settings, I am not sure.
I wonder if /etc/fbtab is able to support multiple tty entries and manage
For camera access as an user see: /etc/fbtab (fBtab not fStab)
For easy streaming see: vlc from ports.
Be sure to use archive search next time.
Sun is not for beginners ...
At least not for the ones who stopped at 5.9.
Start address this problem to your ISP and ask it to remedy this stupid
implementation of pppoe on server side. Otherwise, you have to wait for it
and avoid spamming the list with your "i need to get this done quickly"
messages, please. Maybe it is time to employ a real expert on OpenBSD.
> Proposed release poster design:
> Puffy with puffed out cheeks & paper sticking out of his mouth.
> Headline: "Man pages are all you need to live!"
> Alternate headlines:
> "We *can* live on man pages alone!"
I think it's better to clarify who this "we" is/are.
Not _all_ needed info for install
On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 1:45 AM Clay Daniels
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 9:58 AM Mihai Popescu wrote:
>> My computer allows me to boot from USB disk prepared with minirootXX.iso
>> two ways, Legacy and EFI. I used Legacy until now with BIOS/MBR
My computer allows me to boot from USB disk prepared with minirootXX.iso in
two ways, Legacy and EFI. I used Legacy until now with BIOS/MBR to install
and use OpenBSD.
I tried UEFI/GPT but things went wrong and I was not able to boot OpenBSD's
kernel after install.
Is there any penalty using
A little bit of fun, slightly related to some of the discussion:
 is something that comes into my mind each time i read some of the emails
 is coming next
On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 6:41 PM Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 06:13:42PM +0300, Mihai Popescu wrote:
> > Hi,
> > It's clear OpenBSD is moving to sndioctl. I used it, but I got some
> > "strange" behaviour.
> > Watching youtube
It's clear OpenBSD is moving to sndioctl. I used it, but I got some
Watching youtube in chromium, tried this:
$ sndioctl output.level=1
default: can't open control device
After closing / restarting chromium, and starting youtube I can run same
command many times:
try a...@openbsd.org list
Maybe to much download from ftp.openbsd.org?
It is up now openbsd.org
It has audio only, no video part ported yet. I didn't use it with asterisk
but was fine with iptel.org.
I am using ftp2.eu.openbsd.org as a mirror for installing snapshots. Some
files are reported as not found, like nspr-2.4, but they are present on
What could be wrong, a file sync failure?
Just in case someone else (like me) missed it:
> BTW, why do you want to run -current?
> There are only 2 real reasons to do that
> [ ... ]
Total nonsense ...
Security, privacy or too messy?
I asked for an answer more like "avoid using nVidia chipsets", not for theories.
So, again, do you consider brands when choosing hardware, like Dell
vs. Lenovo, etc. ?
I keep finding articles about some government bans against some
hardware manufacturers related to some backdoor for espionage. I know
this is an old talk. Most China manufacturers are under the search:
Huawei, ZTE, Lenovo, etc.
What do you think and do when using OpenBSD on this kind of
> Ingo seems to be rather good at those.
My favorites are Nick Holland's answers. But let's not forget Stuart
Henderson, Henning Brauer, Stefan Sperling, Marc Espie ... and Dr.
House. The answers from the latter are hard to digest but always solid
and in place. May be others too, my excuses for
> After several days of desperation ...
There is no need for this. Try to see the dhcpd's logs, after you put
the server to log it to the maximum extent for you. Then you can try
tcpdump to watch closely the Polycom's requests, you can see if they
are out of standard crap or if there is a problem
> ... if no account is provided, root is the default
I always considered that su is coming from _s_uper _u_ser. But maybe I
am wrong, I am not from old UNIX days.
> I suspect the problem may have had to do ...
Why the hell did you contact the list then? To confirm your suspicion(s)?
> ... we should choose *ONE* window manager and delete all the others, and
> force people into a > single working model
There is no need to be so cruel. You can release OpenBSD like hosting
plans: free, basic, advanced and pro. You can rename them differently,
like Home, Enterprise, Business,
> I see that nothing has changed since the 70s, same moronic attitude towards
> people confused > by Unix shit.
I guess the attitude from people asking is the same like '70. Just
asking, I came in this world a few years late.
> the release has a bug / funny morons
A few dozen people taking
> Thanks for the report. Fixed in radeon_kms.c rev 1.60.
Installed, tested and it works.
Here is the error message part:
initializing kernel modesetting (Rs880 0x1002:0x9715 0x17AA:0x3082 0x00).
r600_cp: Failed to load firmware "radeon/RS780_pfp.bin"
[drm] *ERROR* Failed to load firmware!
drm:pid0: radeondrm_attachhook *ERROR* Fatal error during GPU init
I have installed the recent current snapshot for amd64. After
finishing and rebooting I got some kernel uvm fault after some message
about radeondrm firmware not installed. The keyboard was not usable.
I had to reboot and disable radeondrm, then run fw_update -a by hand.
Things were back
> Would it be too much to ask to get this functionality implemented ?
Find an Intel support email and go ahead. They will tell you if it is too much.
Assuming there is possible to switch off the laser diode ...
GPON involves encryption keys (because the light is split off so that a
handful of other customers have the same signal as you). In the UK this
is exclusively done by a telco-provided box, they won't give you the
keys to use in your own hardware. but it just spits out an ethernet
> The ISPs either give you a typical fritzbox CPE and/or a media converter
> (like the TP-Link
> MC220L), but it also works fine with the mentioned SFP. I now have 1Gbps
> Internet, fixed
> IPv4+v6, simply with DHCP (dhcp6c is needed to get the assigned IPv6 prefix
> for reassigning it > to
I am using an amd64 snapshot and chromium-73.0.3683.86p0. Graphics is
handled by radeondrm.
If I remember correctly, since chromium-72.0.3626.109 I started to see
some update delays in chromium. It is like I open a page, but the
display of content is delayed. Sometimes is never displayed
I am looking for a command or port application to copy large text from
terminal into the clipboard for immediate paste operation in another
window. I use to do that with left mouse click select then middle
click. It should be something like script(1), but for clipboard inside
an X session.
> The idea was to take the crappy binary blobs from Debian and wrap that into
> something decent.
> Reading up on OpenBSD driver management however ...
Whenever you try to wrap something crappy it still remains crappy and
it still smells. Your point, if any, is weird.
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:46 PM Alexandre Ratchov wrote:
> This surprises me, your CPU doesn't seem that slow.
I decided to do more tests after your opinion and I had a nice surprise too.
My desktop with video VGA and DP outputs is connected to an 1680x1050
display, with VGA and DVI inputs
I am trying to find some hardware for an OpenBSD multimedia computer.
I plan to attach it on a HDMI TV and play youtube on it, 1080p@30fps
or more. No 4K involved.
My thinking is to go for an AMD A8-6500 processor, but I am not sure
if this is enough.Right now I am using and AMD Athlon II
I want to move my usb stick from msdos partition to more specific to
OpenBSD. I use this stick to keep some configuration files and
documents on it.
sd1 at scsibus2 targ 1 lun 0: SCSI4
0/direct fixed serial.07815571010812120514
sd1: 30532MB, 512 bytes/sector, 62530624 sectors
I am trying to modify some colors for login screen of xenodm. I saved
the original file and started with a new one and of course nothing
works from it.
Reading the manual, I cannot figure out some syntax.What is the
meaning of two of them:
Does anyone observe some sound volume reduction when chromium is
displaying some specific tabs?
I am using mpv in xterm with some internet radio, when I point
chromium to some tabs (with or without multimedia in them, I can't
figure out for the moment) the sound volume is dropping a
I am trying to decompress xenocara.tar.gz into /usr/xenocara.
I did all pre setup explained in FAQ, but I get this error from tar
and I can see files inside /usr/xenocara. tar: Access/modification
time set failed on: .: Operation not permitted
Is it safe to ignore this?
Is there a reason
> If you have a checkout of /usr/xenocara ...
I have the cvsweb. I got the .core file with those instructions, run
gdb with my current X. I am not sure if snapshots X is compiled with
or without debug symbols.
Looking at some functions headers, I think I should mention that in
firefox the web
I tried again this link with a recent snapshot and the result is the
same, X got a segfault.
Is there a special debug run for X to be able to get some detailed
Does it worth to pursue this debug?
I am trying since a while to figure out the master site / mirrors
files timestamps. Here is the thing: I can see the timestamps on
master site, ftp.openbsd.org (let's skip the transfer protocol, like
Are these timestamps the original from compilation time? I mean, does
> Frankly, I'd settle for popping the BIOS out and replacing it
with a 1970's EPROM
Good luck in gathering together 70's EPROM to match the today capacity
of a flash memory.
I am trying to see if OpenBSD has support for this audio chipset. Man
page does not mention this explicitly, not so much to find on the web.
May be that ac97 driver is enough for it?
Can anyone tell if this will work or not in OpenBSD, please?
I installed firefox too, there is no problem with that page, I mean
X.org is not doing segmentation fault. It looks like chromium is
trying to do something nasty against X.org's stuff.
Got some details about this: X.org crashes only when I move the mouse
pointer inside the big picture presented on the web page, the product
itself. I captured the chomium output too:
Not implemented reached in bool
I'm sending it here, since I am not an expert to analyze it and send
it to bugs@. By chance, my X.org is doing segmentation fault whenever
I visit a web page with chromium. Again, it segfaults every time I go
there, may or may be not interesting. Here is the action and log
I use a
Did anyone managed to run fine X.org on the integrated video Intel HD
P4600 from Intel Xeon E3-1245 v3 or another Intel Xeon E3 with the
same integrated video.
Models with P do not appear in man intel and am not sure if they are
supported by this driver or something else. (dmesg will be
I want to select some hardware for OpenBSD. I lurked many sites with
hardware specifications and drivers, but I am not sure about some
support for hardware.
What Am I Trying to Achieve?
I want to buy some AMD APU hardware, that means CPU and GPU together.
There is a point in time where
I usually take my computers for OpenBSD from used/refurbished market
since they are much cheaper and I don't need edge hardware. Lately,
AMD processors platforms are not so easy to find ( I prefer a
combination of cpu + video + brand name).
I have a much bigger offer from Intel side.
Maybe the release 6.6 should be skipped then?
I like the part with wine, smoke and lamb. A well done lamb.
OT: Bad subject line, bad email address, at least I see them like this in marc.
A few days ago I intalled a snaphot not in sync base/ports.
Yesterday I was very happy to see ftp.openbsd.org has a new set of
packages compiled, but since that server is far away I waited for EU
servers to mirror the sets.
The very first one to start the mirroring was ftp2.eu.openbsd.org, but
As an irony, your email footer note is a perfect answer for your questions.
How did you try to kill it? Send more info, please.
I think you need to show your pf rules.
Did you make your firewall aware that your ISP is changing address ?
I use mpv with a network stream (radio) and in the same time I use
firefox for browsing. There is some audible sound short stop each time
I open a new tab in firefox and sometimes when in change tabs.
This it doesn't happen if I listen to that stream in the firefox
browser, no matter how
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