Re: Music On Console (MOC)
On 12/12/14 19:48, Ted Unangst wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 15:00, Richard Toohey wrote: (3) can help with the POSIX questions. The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: http://moc.daper.net/node/1369 I have no idea what posix features they want, so it's a tough question. Thanks for all the replies - very much appreciated. I think I should try a different tack - I'm not a MOC user nor a developer and I don't understand the POSIX issues. If anyone using OpenBSD and MOC wants to ensure that future versions work on OpenBSD, then now is a good time to help out. And best to contact the MOC developers directly: http://moc.daper.net/node/269. Thanks, Richard.
Music On Console (MOC)
Hi, guys. This might be more a question for ports@ but it is also a general do you use it question. I've been trying to help the MOC maintainer with testing changes on OpenBSD. He wants to use some newer POSIX features but it seems that if he does so, he'll have to leave OpenBSD behind. I say it seems because I might have led him in the wrong direction. I'm definitely not the best person to advise him, so asking the general OpenBSD crowd if: (1) they use MOC or (2) have any interest in support for it on OpenBSD or (3) can help with the POSIX questions. The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: http://moc.daper.net/node/1369 Thanks, Richard.
Re: Music On Console (MOC)
I've used MOC quite a bit on OpenBSD, though just a local compile - nothing fancy like a port. It's probably the only non-base program I ever use on the Sparc 5. What specifically is missing? On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Richard Toohey richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Hi, guys. This might be more a question for ports@ but it is also a general do you use it question. I've been trying to help the MOC maintainer with testing changes on OpenBSD. He wants to use some newer POSIX features but it seems that if he does so, he'll have to leave OpenBSD behind. I say it seems because I might have led him in the wrong direction. I'm definitely not the best person to advise him, so asking the general OpenBSD crowd if: (1) they use MOC or (2) have any interest in support for it on OpenBSD or (3) can help with the POSIX questions. The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: http://moc.daper.net/node/1369 Thanks, Richard.
Re: Music On Console (MOC)
The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: I'll take the first option: 1. Stop using MOC I'm a user of MOC when using Linux, because it's simple to config, but I think the OpenBSD Project will be fine without MOC updates, and the users can switch to mpd.
Re: Music On Console (MOC)
On 12.12.2014 03:00, Richard Toohey wrote: Hi, guys. This might be more a question for ports@ but it is also a general do you use it question. I've been trying to help the MOC maintainer with testing changes on OpenBSD. He wants to use some newer POSIX features but it seems that if he does so, he'll have to leave OpenBSD behind. I say it seems because I might have led him in the wrong direction. I'm definitely not the best person to advise him, so asking the general OpenBSD crowd if: (1) they use MOC or (2) have any interest in support for it on OpenBSD or (3) can help with the POSIX questions. The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: http://moc.daper.net/node/1369 Hmm According to the OpenBSD sys/unistd.h header, the version of the POSIX.1 standard it targets for compliance is the 1990 one. Whatever their reasons, that standard's nearly a quarter of a century old now, so maybe in the interests of moving MOC forward we have to leave OpenBSD behind on MOC 2.5. So just because something is old it's automatically bad and useless and for all costs wheel must be reinvented? Better to keep away from that type of people, developers and products. 3. Move away from OpenBSD (probably to FreeBSD or NetBSD, both of which target the 2001 standard) aka don't think about why there's used different standard, simply run away to another bright future. Thanks, Richard.
Re: Music On Console (MOC)
On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 15:00, Richard Toohey wrote: (3) can help with the POSIX questions. The maintainer has asked the same question on a MOC forum: http://moc.daper.net/node/1369 I have no idea what posix features they want, so it's a tough question. unistd.h does say #define _POSIX_VERSION 199009L That's kind of old, but the same file is also littered with lines like: #if __POSIX_VISIBLE = 200809 This is the first I've ever heard of anybody actually looking at that macro, which is kind of silly because practically all the interfaces in any given version of posix appeared on at least some systems before the standard. As far as I know, we're pretty close to compliant with issue 7.
