Re: spamd - 250 return text
On Aug 4, 2007 Peter Fraser wrote: I think that the problem is a bad mail program at your clients, A user should not see the 250 status, it is not a failure of any sort but I have seen it as a return status sent to a user. Here is an example that I have seen from someone who sent us a message. The message failed and this is the status that they received: Reporting-MTA: dns; toq7.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:26:11 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; Christine (64.230.70.248) Content-Type: text/plain Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: dns; thinkage.ca Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 This is hurting you more than it is hurting me. This bounce message has nothing to do with client mail program. It's the ISP's mail server. bellnexxia.net is part of bell/sympatico in Canada. I got an almost identical bounce message (below) this morning after trying to post to misc@ on the weekend. My mail client is Thunderbird on OpenBSD. I suspect the problem is that bellnexxia's smtp server has managed to get itself on a spam blacklist; in which case; the 250 msg doesn't really convey that point. In any case; I'm sending via a different isp so this msg has a chance of getting through. - - - - - The following recipients did not receive this message: misc@openbsd.org Reporting-MTA: dns; tomts16.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:06:06 -0500 Received-From-MTA: dns; toip5.srvr.bell.ca (209.226.175.88) Final-Recipient: RFC822; misc@openbsd.org Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: dns; openbsd.org Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 This is hurting you more than it is hurting me.
Re: spamd - 250 return text
As far as I understand from them, the sysadmin was showing the defer to his boss using a telnet session, and the boss got pissed off, because they are actually very diligent about their spam policies. Anyways, I just wanted to know if it there was another way to change the 250 messages without changing the source code... I should have just not mentioned my reasons. Sorry for that. Thanks a lot for all the replies. g. Peter Fraser wrote: I think that the problem is a bad mail program at your clients, A user should not see the 250 status, it is not a failure of any sort but I have seen it as a return status sent to a user. Here is an example that I have seen from someone who sent us a message. The message failed and this is the status that they received: Reporting-MTA: dns; toq7.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:26:11 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; Christine (64.230.70.248) Content-Type: text/plain Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: dns; thinkage.ca Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 This is hurting you more than it is hurting me.
Re: spamd - 250 return text
That's exactly why I tend to tell the pointy haired ones that it all works on the FM principle and never go into much depth about what that means. (note: FM = Fucking Magic but they don't need to know that) It was fun tho the first time the owner of the company I work for tried to add an email account using a script that i created and flubbed the password on his sudo command. He is technical in a microsquishy kinda way and thought that it was MY code that was telling him he had a brain the size of a cabbage (or some such, the exact message is lost to time). Boy, many zoggs fell prey to the snarlak that day. He was pretty mad and might even have fired me, but then he realized that he needed an email account added to the server and he would have to pay a crap load more money than he is giving me to have someone come in and figure out how. s -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Bombadil Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 02:37 PM To: Peter Fraser Cc: 'misc@openbsd.org' Subject: Re: spamd - 250 return text As far as I understand from them, the sysadmin was showing the defer to his boss using a telnet session, and the boss got pissed off, because they are actually very diligent about their spam policies. Anyways, I just wanted to know if it there was another way to change the 250 messages without changing the source code... I should have just not mentioned my reasons. Sorry for that. Thanks a lot for all the replies. g. Peter Fraser wrote: I think that the problem is a bad mail program at your clients, A user should not see the 250 status, it is not a failure of any sort but I have seen it as a return status sent to a user. Here is an example that I have seen from someone who sent us a message. The message failed and this is the status that they received: Reporting-MTA: dns; toq7.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:26:11 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; Christine (64.230.70.248) Content-Type: text/plain Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: dns; thinkage.ca Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 This is hurting you more than it is hurting me. __ NOD32 2442 (20070807) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: spamd - 250 return text
On 8/4/07, Tom Bombadil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've had a pretty hard time from a client saying how rude this default message is. Even though their tech people didn't care, the people higher up got really offended... Quite understandably I'd say, since these greetings aren't really what we can call friendly... hehe This is seriously one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Why are the upper people looking at the SMTP conversation anyway? The only way this could possible happen is if the sender bounces on it in which case it's pretty rude to be so completely in violation of standards and best practices. Lars Hansson
Re: spamd - 250 return text
I think that the problem is a bad mail program at your clients, A user should not see the 250 status, it is not a failure of any sort but I have seen it as a return status sent to a user. Here is an example that I have seen from someone who sent us a message. The message failed and this is the status that they received: Reporting-MTA: dns; toq7.bellnexxia.net Arrival-Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:26:11 -0400 Received-From-MTA: dns; Christine (64.230.70.248) Content-Type: text/plain Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.7 Remote-MTA: dns; thinkage.ca Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 250 This is hurting you more than it is hurting me.
spamd - 250 return text
Hi all, Short of recompiling spamd, is there any undocumented way of changing the 250 responses from spamd? - 250 Hello, spam sender. Pleased to be wasting your time. - 250 You are about to try to deliver spam. Your time will be spent, for nothing. man spamd and a quick search in the ML archives weren't very successful. We've had a pretty hard time from a client saying how rude this default message is. Even though their tech people didn't care, the people higher up got really offended... Quite understandably I'd say, since these greetings aren't really what we can call friendly... hehe Sorry to bug you guys with this lame problem but in the financial world, people can be very touchy :D Thanks, g.
Re: spamd - 250 return text
On 2007/08/03 13:59, Tom Bombadil wrote: Short of recompiling spamd, is there any undocumented way of changing the 250 responses from spamd? Editing the binary? (Is recompiling really so hard?) Sorry to bug you guys with this lame problem but in the financial world, people can be very touchy :D Ah, you'll be looking for the OpenBSD Corporate Edition - with sudo defaulting to !insults, apologies from spamd, and available on exclusive gold CDs, it's yours for a bargain donation to the project of only $5k... (-:
Re: spamd - 250 return text
Tom Bombadil wrote: Hi all, Short of recompiling spamd, is there any undocumented way of changing the 250 responses from spamd? - 250 Hello, spam sender. Pleased to be wasting your time. - 250 You are about to try to deliver spam. Your time will be spent, for nothing. man spamd and a quick search in the ML archives weren't very successful. If you check the spamd.c source, you'll see that those responses are hardcoded into spamd: snprintf(cp-obuf, cp-osize, 250 Hello, spam sender. Pleased to be wasting your time.\r\n); So no, there is no way to change those responses apart from modifying the code and recompiling. Lawrence -- Lawrence Teo Calyptix Security http://www.calyptix.com/
Re: spamd - 250 return text
writes Tom Bombadil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: spamd - 250 return text ... Short of recompiling spamd, is there any undocumented way of changing the 250 responses from spamd? ... Sure. It's called bvi. -Marcus Watts
Re: spamd - 250 return text
On 8/3/07, Tom Bombadil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Short of recompiling spamd, is there any undocumented way of changing the 250 responses from spamd? - 250 Hello, spam sender. Pleased to be wasting your time. - 250 You are about to try to deliver spam. Your time will be spent, for nothing. man spamd and a quick search in the ML archives weren't very successful. We've had a pretty hard time from a client saying how rude this default message is. Even though their tech people didn't care, the people higher up got really offended... Quite understandably I'd say, since these greetings aren't really what we can call friendly... hehe Sorry to bug you guys with this lame problem but in the financial world, people can be very touchy :D This *has* been discussed in the past, and should be in the archives, and ultimately was dropped as a pointless subject. No, there's no magic hugs and rainbows knob. Why are people in positions of financial impact seeing this SMTP dialog in the first place? Give them a software client with a wysiwyg interface and a send button and this is all moot. DS
Re: spamd - 250 return text
Editing the binary? (Is recompiling really so hard?) Not hard, just changed it right now... But sometimes it pays to ask around to see if there is a simpler way that doesn't involve messing around with the original source code. Ah, you'll be looking for the OpenBSD Corporate Edition - with sudo defaulting to !insults, apologies from spamd, and available on exclusive gold CDs, it's yours for a bargain donation to the project of only $5k... (-: I was in no way complaining about the outstanding work all the developers are doing, but since being called a spammer is a very bad insult these days, surely a innocuous '250 OK' would make less people mad.. hehehe Thanks for all the responses, g.
