Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-30 Thread Henning Brauer
* Stuart Henderson s...@spacehopper.org [2008-12-30 02:56]: On 2008-12-29, Michiel van Baak mich...@vanbaak.info wrote: On 15:22, Mon 29 Dec 08, Marco Peereboom wrote: Those things crash more often than windows 3.11 totally_offtopic I'm getting a bit annoyed by statements like this.

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-30 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/12/30 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de: Virtualization promises isolation, and doesn't even remotely keep that promise, today, regardless of the implementation. That makes it, for now, both a security and relibility disaster. Does that also hold for VM and similar implemenations

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-30 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:45:49PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote: 2008/12/30 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de: Virtualization promises isolation, and doesn't even remotely keep that promise, today, regardless of the implementation. That makes it, for now, both a security and

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-30 Thread Marco Peereboom
Try writing hardware drivers on vmware and let me know how it went. A good example is mpi; when we were developing that thing vmware blew up because it couldn't respond to a configuration request. Simply put the vitalization software only emulates certain parts of the hardware and as soon as you

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-30 Thread Henning Brauer
* Otto Moerbeek o...@drijf.net [2008-12-30 14:06]: On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 01:45:49PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote: 2008/12/30 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de: Virtualization promises isolation, and doesn't even remotely keep that promise, today, regardless of the implementation.

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread Marco Peereboom
Still doesn't allow you to plug in cables; move cards around, insert a cd etc. Writing/debugging drivers remotely sucks. One also doesn't get any of the hints from the hardware like leds blinking fan noise etc. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 10:35:08AM -0500, Steve Shockley wrote: On 12/27/2008 5:12

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread bofh
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Still doesn't allow you to plug in cables; move cards around, insert a cd etc. Writing/debugging drivers remotely sucks. One also doesn't get any of the hints from the hardware like leds blinking fan noise etc. Hey,

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread David Gwynne
On 30/12/2008, at 7:01 AM, bofh wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Still doesn't allow you to plug in cables; move cards around, insert a cd etc. Writing/debugging drivers remotely sucks. One also doesn't get any of the hints from the

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread bofh
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:13 PM, David Gwynne l...@animata.net wrote: On 30/12/2008, at 7:01 AM, bofh wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Still doesn't allow you to plug in cables; move cards around, insert a cd etc. Writing/debugging drivers

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread Marco Peereboom
Those things crash more often than windows 3.11 On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, bofh goodb...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: Still doesn't allow you to plug in cables; move cards around, insert a cd etc. Writing/debugging drivers

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread Michiel van Baak
On 15:22, Mon 29 Dec 08, Marco Peereboom wrote: Those things crash more often than windows 3.11 totally_offtopic I'm getting a bit annoyed by statements like this. There are a lot of stable setups with virtualisation out there. It all depends on the setup and the knowledge on the topic with the

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-29 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2008-12-29, Michiel van Baak mich...@vanbaak.info wrote: On 15:22, Mon 29 Dec 08, Marco Peereboom wrote: Those things crash more often than windows 3.11 totally_offtopic I'm getting a bit annoyed by statements like this. There are a lot of stable setups with virtualisation out there. they

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-28 Thread Steve Shockley
On 12/27/2008 5:12 PM, Lars NoodC)n wrote: I ask because I'm trying to set up an environment where kernel-level work can be done remotely. Having more perspectives will help. Old Compaq Remote Insight Lights Out boards will work in any machine that still has a PCI slot. You can control the

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-27 Thread Rene Maroufi
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 10:10:04PM -0500, bofh wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Rene Maroufi i...@maroufi.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:32:50PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: I'll comment by saying that developing a storage driver remotely is a total pain in the ass bordering

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-27 Thread Rene Maroufi
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:16:26PM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote: You should try current. I have these very chipsets on a board I have, and the IDE support works great for PATA drives, haven't plugged in any SATA drives I will admit, mind showing a dmesg so we can get an idea of how old a kernel

environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-27 Thread Lars Noodén
bofh wrote: I think Marco's point was that if there are crashes, lockups, etc, it is a pain in the ass not to have console access, or to be able to unplug the power and reboot into a working config/kernel, etc etc. ... Access to a second box, for control, which has both serial and Ethernet

Re: environmental prerequisites for kernel development (was Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?)

2008-12-27 Thread Dave Wilson
Lars NoodC)n wrote: bofh wrote: I think Marco's point was that if there are crashes, lockups, etc, it is a pain in the ass not to have console access, or to be able to unplug the power and reboot into a working config/kernel, etc etc. ... Access to a second box, for control, which has both

Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread Rene Maroufi
Hi, I have a new PC with an Athlon 64 CPU, and SiS Chipsets. The SiS SATA Chip, and the SiS Onboard Ethernet Controller doesn't work on OpenBSD. The SATA-HDD works without DMA. I plugged in a PCI-Ethernet Card and an IDE HDD, but if any developer have interest to develop a driver for the SiS 190

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread Todd T. Fries
You should try current. I have these very chipsets on a board I have, and the IDE support works great for PATA drives, haven't plugged in any SATA drives I will admit, mind showing a dmesg so we can get an idea of how old a kernel you are running/ It was suggested to me the SIS 190 is such a

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread Marco Peereboom
I'll comment by saying that developing a storage driver remotely is a total pain in the ass bordering impossible. On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:16:26PM -0600, Todd T. Fries wrote: You should try current. I have these very chipsets on a board I have, and the IDE support works great for PATA

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread Rene Maroufi
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:32:50PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: I'll comment by saying that developing a storage driver remotely is a total pain in the ass bordering impossible. Not, if there are 2 hard drives, both connected different (separate Controllers). My OpenBSD System (amd64, 4.4

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread Marco Peereboom
When was the last time you did it? On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:10:41PM +0100, Rene Maroufi wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:32:50PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: I'll comment by saying that developing a storage driver remotely is a total pain in the ass bordering impossible. Not, if there

Re: Any Dev interested in SIS Ethernet/SATA driver development?

2008-12-26 Thread bofh
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Rene Maroufi i...@maroufi.net wrote: On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 03:32:50PM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: I'll comment by saying that developing a storage driver remotely is a total pain in the ass bordering impossible. Not, if there are 2 hard drives, both