Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Breen Ouellette
Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Breen Ouellette wrote: I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that would be half a million dollars. Are there 5000 users? Is

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Breen Ouellette wrote: I feel that if the user base can meet the financial needs of the project then the user base is doing its part. Unfortunately, I know of several people who use OpenBSD that will never send in a flat penny. These are the same people

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-30 Thread Breen Ouellette
Tobias Weingartner wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Breen Ouellette wrote: I feel that if the user base can meet the financial needs of the project then the user base is doing its part. Unfortunately, I know of several people who use OpenBSD that will never send in a flat penny.

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-29 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Sat, 28 Oct 2006, Breen Ouellette wrote: Eliah Kagan wrote: That would still be most OpenBSD users, wouldn't it? I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that

Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Breen Ouellette
Eliah Kagan wrote: That would still be most OpenBSD users, wouldn't it? I honestly do not know as I do not have access to the size of the user base nor the financial needs of the project. If 5000 users gave $100 per year to the project that would be half a million dollars. Are there 5000

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: The shame enters the picture when you place expectations for additional output from the people giving freely. I see people griping all the time for this or that feature, or support for this or that hardware. I see this from people who contribute nothing and

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Breen Ouellette
Eliah Kagan wrote: On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: The shame enters the picture when you place expectations for additional output from the people giving freely. I see people griping all the time for this or that feature, or support for this or that hardware. I see this from people who

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 10/28/06, Breen Ouellette wrote: That same behaviour of expecting magic fixes, if it were applied to a larger community like that of North America (sorry if you aren't from this continent), would not be shameful in the least. People in North American culture whine and complain for fixes from

Re: Contributing and Shame [Was: Lenovo notebooks?]

2006-10-28 Thread ropers
On 29/10/06, Breen Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel that Linux users whining and complaining about 'missing' (aka unnecessary, superfluous) features is shameful behaviour because it seems to be expected behaviour in these communities, or at least segments of these communities.