On Sun, 21 Feb 2010, chefren wrote:
> Hehe, mentioning "Amsterdam", you dare! Seriously seeking trouble?
>
Moi? I didn't bring up the subject, ..
> p.s. Frantisek mentioned "webmin",
>
Suggested earlier, .. and replied.
> Your "OT," stands for "I'm lazy and not so competent nor creative but wil
On 21-02-10 03:42, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>> Dude? Seriously?
>>
>> Your mother's a whore.
>>
> Wow! Such intelligence! Sorry, but you's was the one I saw in
> Amsterdam.
Hehe, mentioning "Amsterdam", you dare! Seriously seeking trouble?
+++chefren
p.s. Frantisek mentioned "webmin", in this case
On 21/02/10 04:42, L. V. Lammert wrote:
Dude? Seriously?
Your mother's a whore.
Wow! Such intelligence! Sorry, but you's was the one I saw in
Amsterdam.
Lee
http://www.google.com/search?q=crontab+gui
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/cronweb.htm
http://quicksilver.be.washington.edu/soft
Theo de Raadt wrote:
I am very impressed by the oratary skills you have all shown in this
discussion... but please... can this thread be terminated soon?
I agree with Theo.
Please take this troll-fest off the list.
You can all flame each other privately.
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A human being should be able to
> Dude? Seriously?
>
> Your mother's a whore.
>
Wow! Such intelligence! Sorry, but you's was the one I saw in
Amsterdam.
Lee
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 05:57:49PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Darrin Chandler wrote:
>
> > OTOH, I can't figure out why you haven't scripted something to do
> > crontab editing and released it as a port.
> >
> WOW, a USEFUL suggestion! I bet an outsider would wonder how in
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Darrin Chandler wrote:
> OTOH, I can't figure out why you haven't scripted something to do
> crontab editing and released it as a port.
>
WOW, a USEFUL suggestion! I bet an outsider would wonder how in the hell
anything productive gets done around here! Three days of BS and ON
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 10:49:14AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
>
> > Your original post[1] said, and I cut'n'paste, "that would be useable
> > for basic sysadmin types". How the fuck can anyone comprehend a question
> > you're incapable of asking corre
hi there,
have a look at webmin, that might have a crontab module.
-f
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so easy, a child can do it. child sold seperately.
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Tobias Ulmer wrote:
> In the time you've been spamming my inbox, every half-competent sysadmin
> could have learned ncurses(3) and write the perfect(tm) interface for
> his purpose.
>
Sorryk, my posts have been but a pittance in the BS spouted on this
thread, .. it's a shame t
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
> Your original post[1] said, and I cut'n'paste, "that would be useable
> for basic sysadmin types". How the fuck can anyone comprehend a question
> you're incapable of asking correctly?
>
Certainly not you, .. who, amongst others, are far more intereste
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 04:14:44PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote:
>
> > it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.**
> >
> What's so difficult about "need a way to edit crontab with something like
> an nCurses" interface? That seems to be, by def
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 07:08:44PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> that would be useable for basic sysadmin types (maybe something
> nCurses)?
'crontab -e'
Unless "basic admin" had developed some new meaning of which I am unaware.
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Chris Dukes
I am very impressed by the oratary skills you have all shown in this
discussion... but please... can this thread be terminated soon?
> > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote:
> >
> >> it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.**
> >>
> > What's so difficult about "need a way to edit
On 20/02/2010, at 11:14 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote:
it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.**
What's so difficult about "need a way to edit crontab with something
like
an nCurses" interface? That seems to be, by definition, simple,
point-
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 5:14 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> The chaps tweaking the crontab entries are Windoze admins, and they need
> to adjust the start/stop times on cronjobs that start and stop replication
Then have them create a Windows service that runs ssh and does
whatever it is that needs do
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:21:12AM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't
> provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup
> image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists.
There's nothing
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010, Paul M wrote:
> it's **Not clear whatproblem you're actualy trying to solve.**
>
What's so difficult about "need a way to edit crontab with something like
an nCurses" interface? That seems to be, by definition, simple,
point-and-click, definate options, no man pages, no vi edi
if they don't have access to the machine then **why are you looking
for alternatives to crontab**?
Changes to the actual machines will be pushed via ssh, .. but that's
way
too much detail for the level of the question I was asking.
Lee
Actually, this is not too much info at all - it'
On 19 February 2010 16:14, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
>> On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>>
>> > Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR
>> > THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to read the OP instead of
On 20/02/2010, at 10:14 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
... but that's way
too much detail for the level of the question I was asking.
Lee
I couldn't dissagree more!
I too have been following this thread, and I'm confused.
Many people have jumped in and slammed various concepts - they're
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
> On 19 February 2010 14:32, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> Man pages typically have examples.
>
*BUT* man pages are not instructions to perform a task/function, .. and
are irrelavent for this question.
> It's called "learning" and you are intentionally being d
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
> On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> > Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR
> > THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to read the OP instead of
> > bitching about what you THOUGHT it meant.
>
> Lee -
On 19 February 2010 14:32, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Johan Beisser wrote:
>> What the hell is so hard about:
> If you have to ask what's so hard, it's too hard. The OP was about making
> the process **SIMPLE**, .. not complicated. Man pages are used to learn
> about a command,
On 19 February 2010 14:37, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
>> If *you* are letting underqualified users have privileged access to an
>> Unix machine then the failure here is *you*.
> Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR
> THE N
yep
I tested it now because I use just vi for it.
$ export VISUAL=/usr/bin/gedit
$ echo $VISUAL
/usr/bin/gedit
$ crontab -e
will start gedit and I can modify my crontab in GUI editor. Man pages
even on Linux are pretty straightforward and if someone can't
understand how to use those 5 columns th
Users can edit their own crontabs. You can set for them some GUI
editor trough variable for crontab and prepare some icon on desktop or
something similar. But if you want for them to be able to edit root
crontab then reactions of other people here are valid.
PS: I'm curious why non-sysadmin aka no
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:08 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Found one tcl/tk at:
> http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html
> but running an X tool would app would be too complicated for this
> requirement.
Wow, from the page "BE CARREFUL, some Slackware seem to have an access
right proble
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:50 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> Yep, .. that's one reason I don't want to use it. We'll probably end up
> creating our own tool with nCurses that looks something like vcron. It
> just feels like we're recreating the wheel, however.
Well, I believe that dropping a badly des
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, FRLinux wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 1:08 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> > Found one tcl/tk at:
> > http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html
> > but running an X tool would app would be too complicated for this
> > requirement.
>
> Wow, from the page "BE CARREFUL,
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Diana Eichert wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> > No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't
> > provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup
> > image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Kevin Wilcox wrote:
> If *you* are letting underqualified users have privileged access to an
> Unix machine then the failure here is *you*.
>
Didn't say they had access to the **MACHINE** THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT FOR
THE NCURSES QUESTION, if you had bothered to read the OP inste
On 19 February 2010 11:21, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Lars Nooden wrote:
>> L. V. Lammert wrote:
>> > ... no way I'd saddle some of these
>> > guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly.
>> Then you are far, far better off not letting them anywhere near
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Johan Beisser wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:21 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
>
> > No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't
> > provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup
> > image out to a DR server, than *we* h
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Diana Eichert wrote:
snip thread
> You are missing the point of "privilege" then. Privilege gives you access
> to tools and right to shoot yourself in the foot. It is obvious to me that
> someone was elevated to a privileged level without having the
> necess
On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 8:21 AM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't
> provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup
> image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists.
Wait.
What the hell i
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, L. V. Lammert wrote:
No, that isn't going to work. This isn't some elitist club - if we can't
provide a simple, sane, safe way for a [priviledged] user to push a backup
image out to a DR server, than *we* have failed as technologists.
Lee
You are missing the point
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010, Lars Nooden wrote:
> L. V. Lammert wrote:
> > ... no way I'd saddle some of these
> > guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly.
>
> Then you are far, far better off not letting them anywhere near the
> server room if they are that unqualified.
>
No, t
L. V. Lammert wrote:
> ... no way I'd saddle some of these
> guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly.
Then you are far, far better off not letting them anywhere near the
server room if they are that unqualified.
Give them some time to learn and a training server, but ma
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:10 PM, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, patrick keshishian wrote:> this reminds me of the
> saying about giving a man a fish vs teaching
> > him how to fish.
> >
> That would be like trying to teach a Bedouin to fish, .. not going to
> happen.
>
>
Please, Bed
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, patrick keshishian wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Robert Bronsdon wrote:
> >
> > The kind that I don't want messing with crontab to begin with.
>
> this reminds me of the saying about giving a man a fish vs teaching
> him how to fish.
>
That would be like trying to
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Chris Bennett <
ch...@bennettconstruction.biz> wrote:
>
> There is a simple and effective system for this level.
>
> Have them write all their cron stuff in their crontab-let pad
> Set crontab-alarm clock to go off at appropriate times
> Type in commands from cron
L. V. Lammert wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, bofh wrote:
What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with
% export EDITOR=vi
% crontab -e
?
Didn't say they were *unix* admins, .. no way I'd saddle some of these
guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly.
L
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Robert Bronsdon wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:25:48 -, bofh wrote:
>
>> What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with
>>
>> % export EDITOR=vi
>> % crontab -e
>
> The kind that I don't want messing with crontab to begin with.
this reminds me of the saying a
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 01:25:48 -, bofh wrote:
What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with
% export EDITOR=vi
% crontab -e
The kind that I don't want messing with crontab to begin with.
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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, bofh wrote:
> What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with
>
> % export EDITOR=vi
> % crontab -e
>
> ?
>
Didn't say they were *unix* admins, .. no way I'd saddle some of these
guys with vi, much less setting the cron time parameters correctly.
Lee
What kind of basic unix admin can't deal with
% export EDITOR=vi
% crontab -e
?
On 2/18/10, L. V. Lammert wrote:
> that would be useable for basic sysadmin types (maybe something
> nCurses)?
>
> Found one tcl/tk at:
> http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html
> but running an X tool
that would be useable for basic sysadmin types (maybe something
nCurses)?
Found one tcl/tk at:
http://www.linux-kheops.com/pub/vcron/vcronGB.html
but running an X tool would app would be too complicated for this
requirement.
TIA,
Lee
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