Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
* Roelof Wobben rwob...@hotmail.com [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +]: Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben To check if packages exist: set $PKG_PATH environment variable; then command: pkg_info -Q pkgname (where pkgname is a keyword the program will search for). Can also be run as non-root user To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
* James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.net [2013-09-23 10:32:20 +0100]: * Roelof Wobben rwob...@hotmail.com [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +]: Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben With regard to Cinnamon, you might be interested in the ede Desktop Environment. It's quite similar to Cinnamon, I believe, although i've not used it. I recall someone else on ports@ liked it a lot. % pkg_info -Q ede % sudo pkg_add -i ede[...]
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode)
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that people keep thinking things are more complicated than they are... I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:54:09PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :) Undeadly? -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
* Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:54:09 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that people keep thinking things are more complicated than they are... I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :) Was that a telling-off for me? :-)
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:50 AM, James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.netwrote: * James Griffin j...@kontrol.kode5.net [2013-09-23 10:32:20 +0100]: * Roelof Wobben rwob...@hotmail.com [2013-09-22 12:03:10 +]: Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben With regard to Cinnamon, you might be interested in the ede Desktop Environment. It's quite similar to Cinnamon, I believe, although i've not used it. I recall someone else on ports@ liked it a lot. % pkg_info -Q ede % sudo pkg_add -i ede[...] I use ede daily. Fairly lightweight and simple, and so far not many crashes that I can recall. To the original poster: Cinnamon is a fork of GNOME3. Antoine Jasper already spend a lot of time on porting GNOME3, this is just added work. Unless somebody steps up and tries to port it, I don't think it will be available in OpenBSD.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup Is that a special case? Thanks. Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that people keep thinking things are more complicated than they are... I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :)
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
* Richard Toohey richardtoo...@paradise.net.nz [2013-09-23 23:11:17 +1200]: On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote: [ ... ] Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup Is that a special case? Thanks. I just read through the man page again. It does state interactive mode is the default on a tty; -i to force interactive mode, -I to turn it off.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:11:17PM +1200, Richard Toohey wrote: On 09/23/13 22:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. I use pkg_add -ui because that's what is in the upgrade instructions e.g. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade53.html#Pkgup Is that a special case? No the faq hasn't been updated... :( it was already there in OpenBSD 5.2, actually.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On 2013-09-23 12:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that people keep thinking things are more complicated than they are... I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :) How about a warning or notice when the user explicitly states -i saying this is already the default and deprecated if it's run from a tty? -- Hugo Osvaldo Barrera [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:10:34PM -0300, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera wrote: On 2013-09-23 12:54, Marc Espie wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:25:57AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: * Marc Espie es...@nerim.net [2013-09-23 12:22:47 +0200]: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 10:32:20AM +0100, James Griffin wrote: To update packages: pkg_add -iu (-i is for interaction to selection flavors of pkg's and -u is for update). Must be run with privileges, i.e. sudo or root user. You don't need -i in most cases these days, pkg_tools default to interactive if run on a terminal now. (-I can be used to revert to non-interactive mode) Cheers Marc, I wasn't aware of that. Just a habit I got into ages ago. Yeah, it's something I look at in usage patterns. Lots of people don't follow the tools development too closely, and so they keep using options which are no longer needed. Then they teach those to other people, thus ensuring that people keep thinking things are more complicated than they are... I'd really like a solution that didn't involve me having to rectify things again and again, but it's better than nothing :) How about a warning or notice when the user explicitly states -i saying this is already the default and deprecated if it's run from a tty? No, that's clearly overkill... tools are supposed to get out of the way, not chant in your face hey, look at my huge penis.
update my box and Cinnamon avaible
Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
I do not think that Cinnamon is available with OpenBSD. But, I could easily be wrong. On Sun, 22 Sep 2013, Roelof Wobben wrote: Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
Hi, 1a) Packages can installed/upgraded by pkg_add. 'man pkg_add for more'. 1b) http://www.openbsd.org/errata.html 2) AFAIK no. Best regards, Nikola Gyurov On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Roelof Wobben rwob...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, Before I try OpenBSd I have two questions. 1) The manual says that I can use pkg -upgrade But how do I know which packages can be updated or which security patches there are avaible. 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. Regards, Roelof Wobben
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On 09/22/13 22:03, Roelof Wobben wrote: 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. The easiest way to find out what is available is by looking at http://openports.se/ The x11 page shows the window managers which have been ported to openbsd. Brett.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
Brett Mahar writes: On 09/22/13 22:03, Roelof Wobben wrote: 2) Is a new version of Cinnamon avaible for OpenBSD and if so, how can I install it. The easiest way to find out what is available is by looking at http://openports.se/ The x11 page shows the window managers which have been ported to openbsd. Just a note... OpenPorts is a third-party service that manually parses the ports tree to extract information, and as a result it sometimes gets stuff wrong. See http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-portsm=137063135316700w=2 There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. -- Anthony J. Bentley
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run to have a local webserver with the same information, and query capabilities.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On 09/23/13 07:34, Marc Espie wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run to have a local webserver with the same information, and query capabilities. I didn't know about that site or the ports-readme-dancer package, so thanks for the info. Brett.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:34:15 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run to have a local webserver with the same information, and query capabilities. s/readme/readmes/ ?? R/ *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Re: update my box and Cinnamon avaible
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 01:31:21PM +1000, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 23:34:15 +0200, Marc Espie wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 03:28:24PM -0600, Anthony J. Bentley wrote: There are some tools in the ports tree, like ports-readmes, that fulfill the same purpose but make use of the infrastructure to do a better job. http://ports.su/ is based on this. ports-readme-dancer packages it all as a simple app you can run to have a local webserver with the same information, and query capabilities. s/readme/readmes/ ?? Yep, of course. ports-readmes-dancer
