we have two Pentium III Xeon, OpenBSD 3.8 boxes running pf in transparent
bridging mode on our primary and backup Internet links, which is currently fed
via an OC-3 (155Mbps) connection to the Internet. On an average day we run
70Mbps/50Mbps (14K pps/13K pps) in/out.
after upgrading to
Dunno about USB-BT adapter, but GPRS does work -
at least with my Nokia 9300 and infrared (the birda package)
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2005-09/1387.html
On 4/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have installed OpenBSD 3.8 in a laptop with a winmodem so I can't
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have installed OpenBSD 3.8 in a laptop with a winmodem so I can't connect to
the internet with it but recently by chance I realised that OpenBSD3.8
recognised the bluetooth adapter I had plugged in on the USB, a Belkin v1.2
10m range, during boot
In case anyone was wondering, they work well with OpenBSD, they show up
as em nics.
em0 at pci5 dev 7 function 0 Intel PRO/1000MT (82546EB) rev 0x01: apic
7 int 2 (irq 11), address 00:11:0a:5c:6b:04
em1 at pci5 dev 7 function 1 Intel PRO/1000MT (82546EB) rev 0x01: apic
7 int 3 (irq 5), address
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 01:05:50PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote:
I'm afraid it is.
Look at the third option in 4.4.2.10. (PPPoE LLC/SNAP)
That is optional at the discretion of the ISP, default UK ADSL is VC-MUX
and therefore PPPoA. It can't be both PPPoE and PPPoA.
It is unusual for UK ISPs
On 25/03/06, Per Fogelstrvm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 24 March 2006 08.36, David Coppa wrote:
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 22:15 +, Miod Vallat wrote:
There is currently no X server support on sgi O2. This is being worked
on, but don't hold your breath.
I'm wondering if I can
On 04/04/06, Craig Skinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 01:05:50PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote:
I'm afraid it is.
Look at the third option in 4.4.2.10. (PPPoE LLC/SNAP)
That is optional at the discretion of the ISP
Correct
default UK ADSL is VC-MUX
and therefore
you can specify /pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/arch/ instead of the normal
/pub/OpenBSD/3.8/arch/ directory during the install. Guaranteed to
most likely hurt something.
I would just wait for the Cd's to arrive.
On 4/3/06, Steve Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I understand the whole issue with
On 04/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:37:38PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote:
I'm playing a bit with bgpd while trying to get the kids to sleep, 50%
to
go.
With Hennings next-hop self patch I made a minimal config and slapped
together
a network
Hi all,
Well, thanks again to Wim: the 3.9 cds are arriving. :-)
Nicely wrapped in a top notch t-shirt (if you ordered one, of course)
comes beautiful artwork, with some cds to match, swiftly delivered via the
friendly UPS guy.
And blob-free, no less! :-)
This package is once again well worth
Am 29.03.2006 um 14:32 schrieb Falk Brockerhoff:
that, again, is sth nobody ever asked for or missed :)
however, the (completely untested except for compilation) diff below
should add set nexthop self.
Ui, you're realy fast :-) Thank you for your quick response. I'll
compile this and test
Hi,
I must admit I never tried that before myself on OBSD, but did use BT on
phones on different occasions.
I see several points of potential failures here.
1.) Bluetooth connection
Are you sure you have connected to the phone? Did you exchange Bluetooth
passphrase (a few characters, that
On 04/04/06, Falk Brockerhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 29.03.2006 um 14:32 schrieb Falk Brockerhoff:
that, again, is sth nobody ever asked for or missed :)
however, the (completely untested except for compilation) diff below
should add set nexthop self.
Ui, you're realy fast :-)
Jeff Quast schreef:
I would just wait for the cd's to arrive.
Which they did. Just received my copy in the mail. Damn, that was fast...
Moral of the story: pre-order, good. FTP/AFS/RSYNC: bad, VERY BAD! :)
Again, thanks Wim!
Hi,
I'm new to OBSD.I tried to install it on my HP nx6110,but there are two
things which dos not work.First is X server,I have i915 and as I read
this vga will be fully supported in 3.9 so I hope that than will be
OK.But worst thing is that my Broadcom 440x isn't running.I use dhcp in
work and at
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:46:24AM +0100, tony sarendal wrote:
On 04/04/06, Falk Brockerhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 29.03.2006 um 14:32 schrieb Falk Brockerhoff:
that, again, is sth nobody ever asked for or missed :)
however, the (completely untested except for compilation) diff
On 2006/04/04 14:01, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
But worst thing is that my Broadcom 440x isn't running.
It's possible that support for your NIC was added between 3.8 and
3.9; you could try booting from the install kernel (bsd.rd) for a
-current snapshot and see if it behaves.
If so, you could wait for
Paulo Rodriguez wrote:
- Oorspronkelijk bericht -
Van: Steve Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: dinsdag, april 4, 2006 05:55 AM
Aan: misc@openbsd.org
Onderwerp: OpenBSD 3.9-stable (not current) install?
...
If I want to install OpenBSD 3.9-stable (or the release
Hi everyone,
1. Is it possible to create character device on fly from kernel module after
modules is loaded?
2. If not, can I clone my main char device that created with kernel module?
3. If not. I can create symbolic link to the main char device and then use
it to read/write/ioctl
I recently read this in an interview dated December 2005 to a NetBSD
programmer:
The biggest drawback of svnd is its lack of security in the general use
case. It is vulnerable to an offline dictionary attack. That is, you can
generate a database mapping known ciphertext blocks on the disk
I apologize, maybe I wasn't totally clear.
Pre-ordering does usually mean you get the cds quite early. However
there is no guarantee this happens BEFORE the official release date.
Off the record though, I've been buying the CD's since 3.2 and everytime
I got it a couple of days before official
It sounds scary,specially for those of us who do not understand too much
about computers, I basically wanted to know if there is any truth in all
this or it just another persorn trying to sell his product well by
undermining others.
say hello to the archives.
My guess is that it was a PHP exploit. There are a plethora of them
available.
Ken
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of David B.
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 4:41 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: 3.9 coming out
hi, I see 3.9 is
Hi guys!
I couldn't resist posting a picture of the first delivered 3.9 CD in
Europe (bwahaha victory is mine!!!). So, enjoy this fantastic life
action picture ;)
http://users.pandora.be/parecon/firstowyeah.jpg
Either way, for those in Europe who haven't ordered their CD-set yet...
WHAT
Op 4/4/2006 schreef Nico Meijer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi all,
Well, thanks again to Wim: the 3.9 cds are arriving. :-)
Nicely wrapped in a top notch t-shirt (if you ordered one, of course)
comes beautiful artwork, with some cds to match, swiftly delivered via the
friendly UPS guy.
And blob-free,
On 04/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 11:46:24AM +0100, tony sarendal wrote:
On 04/04/06, Falk Brockerhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Am 29.03.2006 um 14:32 schrieb Falk Brockerhoff:
that, again, is sth nobody ever asked for or missed :)
Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2006/04/04 14:01, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
But worst thing is that my Broadcom 440x isn't running.
It's possible that support for your NIC was added between 3.8 and
3.9; you could try booting from the install kernel (bsd.rd) for a
-current snapshot and see if it behaves.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It sounds scary,specially for those of us who do not understand too
much about computers, I basically wanted to know if there is any
truth in all this or it just another persorn trying to sell his
product well by undermining others.
If the NSA really wants to
Very nice T-Shirt!
Paulo Rodriguez wrote:
Hi guys!
I couldn't resist posting a picture of the first delivered 3.9 CD in
Europe (bwahaha victory is mine!!!). So, enjoy this fantastic life
action picture ;)
http://users.pandora.be/parecon/firstowyeah.jpg
Either way, for those in Europe who
Hi all,
i am currently setting up a new firewall for our department. I already
set up an OpenBSD Firewall and i am very satisfied with it :-)
The new machine is set up to use dot1q vlans in order to save on
interfaces and ports in our Cisco switch.
This is the first time i am using dot1q and
Pre-ordering does usually mean you get the cds quite early. However
there is no guarantee this happens BEFORE the official release date.
Sometimes the plant is slow. Sometimes the plant is fast. Sometimes
the printed art comes back early, sometimes it does not.
Here's a little surprising
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I must admit I never tried that before myself on OBSD, but did use BT
on phones on different occasions.
I see several points of potential failures here.
1.) Bluetooth connection
Are you sure you have connected to the phone? Did you exchange
Bluetooth passphrase
The first thing I noticed is that SK0 is only at half duplex and you
have duplex full on the switch port. This can cause similar problems
to what you are describing. I've found it always best to set the speed
duplex on both devices (switch and PC) when creating trunks. HTH
-Original
On 04/04/06, Heinrich Rebehn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
interface FastEthernet6/19
description k307 n2340-19a
switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q
switchport trunk allowed vlan 16,86,182,231,232
switchport mode trunk
duplex full
sk0: flags=8843UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST mtu 1500
On 2006/04/04 13:24, Rob Gault wrote:
The first thing I noticed is that SK0 is only at half duplex
OP says the cable is out. However auto and duplex full are
likely to not be compatible (they aren't for 10/100, though I'm
not sure about gig).
I am attaching ifconfig and dmesg output. The
Hello,
I've just gotten a Belkin F5D7050 USB wireless adapter and it's not
being recognized. When I insert the adapter, I get:
ugen1: Belkin USB2.0 WLAN, rev 2.00/48.10, addr 2
From the archives, the ural driver should be picking this up but it's
not.
I'm running a GENERIC -snapshot
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 10:45 -0700, Sky McKinley wrote:
Hello,
I've just gotten a Belkin F5D7050 USB wireless adapter and it's not
being recognized. When I insert the adapter, I get:
ugen1: Belkin USB2.0 WLAN, rev 2.00/48.10, addr 2
From the archives, the ural driver should be
HI,
Sky McKinley wrote:
ugen1: Belkin USB2.0 WLAN, rev 2.00/48.10, addr 2
From the archives, the ural driver should be picking this up but it's not.
could you show us the output from
# usbdevs -v
reyk
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 23:09 +0100, Nick Guenther wrote:
On 4/3/06, Han Boetes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jon Kent wrote:
This one kinda supprised me. When I was looking around by new
3.8 install I noticed that in /etc/skel/.profile that PATH
contains a . in it, which I found supprising
The Apache 1.3 series is being actively maintained, and developed at
a leisurely pace, to maintain stability. Releases will be made to
address security issues, or after a comfortable number of bug fixes
or improvements have been made. Significantly new features are
unlikely to be added to
On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:10 AM, Reyk Floeter wrote:
HI,
Sky McKinley wrote:
ugen1: Belkin USB2.0 WLAN, rev 2.00/48.10, addr 2
From the archives, the ural driver should be picking this up but
it's not.
could you show us the output from
# usbdevs -v
reyk
Sure enough...
Controller
Jon Kent wrote:
Hi,
This one kinda supprised me. When I was looking around by new 3.8
install I noticed that in /etc/skel/.profile that PATH contains a . in
it, which I found supprising as I've always assumed that this was not a
sensible thing to do. I've taken it out as I'm not too happy
Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2006/04/04 13:24, Rob Gault wrote:
The first thing I noticed is that SK0 is only at half duplex
OP says the cable is out. However auto and duplex full are
likely to not be compatible (they aren't for 10/100, though I'm
not sure about gig).
I will double check
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 11:52 -0700, Sky McKinley wrote:
port 1 addr 3: high speed, power 500 mA, config 1, USB2.0
WLAN(0x705c), Belkin(0x050d), rev 48.10
The 0x705c has a ZyDAS ZD1211 chipset in it, the 0x7050 is Ralink.
You're another victim of wireless vendors who are in the nasty habit
of
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:15:58PM +0200, RedShift wrote:
[...] Other people were discussing cat and cta for example. For this to
work, one would have to be able to write to the victim's home directory,
Do you never cd out of your home?
Ciao
Kili
Hi,
I got a vodafone pcmcia mobile connect 3g/gprs datacard today. I tried it on my
laptop running 3.9-stable.
Previously, I used a siemens connect 2 air cf card to connect via gprs without
problems and I used almost identical pppd scripts.
With the vodafone card (actually from
On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 21:15 +0200, RedShift wrote:
I cannot see how this would be exploitable. root doesn't have . in it's
PATH. Other people were discussing cat and cta for example. For this to
work, one would have to be able to write to the victim's home directory,
and - of course - the
--- Matthias Kilian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:15:58PM +0200, RedShift wrote:
[...] Other people were discussing cat and cta for example. For
this to
work, one would have to be able to write to the victim's home
directory,
Do you never cd out of your home?
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 07:50:15PM +, Didier Wiroth wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I got a vodafone pcmcia mobile connect 3g/gprs datacard today. I tried it on
my laptop running 3.9-stable.
| Previously, I used a siemens connect 2 air cf card to connect via gprs
without problems and I used almost identical
--- Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On iic bus 0, you have a sch5017 chip at address 0x2e for which we do
not have a driver yet:
http://ftp.smsc.com/main/datasheets/5017.pdf
start at page 230
Your other iic bus appears has the same chip, or maybe it is two iic
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 07:50:15PM +, Didier Wiroth wrote:
Here is my pppd gprs script (this script works with the siemens card):
I've noticed that the options I had to use with the Siemens Connect2Air
card differed from what I had to use with the 3G cards I used.
For use with the german
Greetings,
I've built a pair of 6-interface OBSD 3.7 routers for use at
work. These routers have 4 Fibre GigE interfaces each, and 2 copper GigE
interfaces ea as follows:
carp{0,1,2,3,4} production,integration,staging,systest,dmz_1
respectively
stge{0,1,2,3}
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 08:56:39PM +0100, Jon Kent wrote:
Can see your point here, but I prefer to play on the paranoid side of
fence hence my dislike of this. I'm not sure it should be there by
default, rather if you like it you should add it.
Inexperienced users might add it to the
Hi!
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:15:58PM +0200, RedShift wrote:
[...]
I cannot see how this would be exploitable. root doesn't have . in it's
PATH. Other people were discussing cat and cta for example. For this to
work, one would have to be able to write to the victim's home directory,
and - of
On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 10:14:11PM +0530, Niklaus wrote:
How do i disable users on a system to run their own http proxy. I
don't want to allow users who have login accounts on my system to
listen to any port . How do i do that.
man pf.conf
search for the word 'user', you need the third match.
Thanks to Austin, I have a stack of OpenBSD 3.9 CDs for sale at the
BSD expo booth. Come out tomorrow and get them while they're still
hot! :)
--
Jason Dixon
DixonGroup Consulting
http://www.dixongroup.net
Hi!
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:35:32AM +1000, Andrew Dalgleish wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 08:56:39PM +0100, Jon Kent wrote:
Can see your point here, but I prefer to play on the paranoid side of
fence hence my dislike of this. I'm not sure it should be there by
default, rather if you like
--- Hannah Schroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi!
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:35:32AM +1000, Andrew Dalgleish wrote:
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 08:56:39PM +0100, Jon Kent wrote:
Can see your point here, but I prefer to play on the paranoid side
of
fence hence my dislike of this. I'm not
This is a serious question, for heavy users of OpenBSD in
big/production/heavy-traffic situations.
For years, our small company used OpenBSD for *EVERYTHING* because I
personally prefer it. (We run a pretty popular database-driven
website.)
All mail servers, web servers, database servers, were
I am not sure that this is a simple question, but what's the rules if
any, or guide line someone can go under to replace files and code with
BSD type in a project for example.
I need some help understanding what's right and what's wrong and where
the line is if any and what's proper and
i need to learn C++, but do not know where to begin with textbooks or online
docs. since, AFAICT, there are a great many skilled programmers on list, i would
appreciate any recommendations that can be made about introductory and
intermediate texts on C++.
my motivation for asking this is to avoid
On 4/4/06, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure that this is a simple question, but what's the rules if
any, or guide line someone can go under to replace files and code with
BSD type in a project for example.
I need some help understanding what's right and what's wrong and
We have found an 'interesting interaction' between the gcc compiler and
OpenBSD's inline assembly definition of ntohs().
The resulting bug in the generated assembly causes corrupted data under
the following circumstances:
* The 16-bit value from ntohs() is directly assigned to a 32-bit
Nick Guenther wrote:
My understanding is that the owner of the copyright can change the
license at any time, but that that change only applies to new
versions.
So:
if you are forking someone else's GNU code then you can't arbitrarily
make it BSD (because of the restrictions in the GPL). I
On 2006/04/05 01:06, chefren wrote:
* gcc is set to -march=i686
fwiw, this is recommended against for OpenBSD..
No, I don't think this is quite correct.
GPL cannot be revoked by the author and, what is more, a new version being
classed as a 'derived work' would still under the terms of GPL be classed as
GPL and the original author couldn't do anything about it. - Linus faces
this issue with future versions
On 04/05/06 01:18, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2006/04/05 01:06, chefren wrote:
* gcc is set to -march=i686
fwiw, this is recommended against for OpenBSD..
Of course we know that...
How do you think that irritating recommendation will ever get away without
debugging?
+++chefren
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, chefren wrote:
[snip]
How do you think that irritating recommendation will ever get away without
debugging?
By getting rid of gcc.
; Sorry could not resist that one ;-)
++mbk
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, chefren wrote:
[snip]
How do you think that irritating recommendation will ever get away without
debugging?
By getting rid of gcc.
; Sorry could not resist that one ;-)
Actually I bet ntohs16 is violating C aliasing rules.
So getting rid of GCC actually is
I bought a new 1U server with an Intel SE7221BK-1E Entry Server Board, a
LSI MegaRAID Sata 150-4D SER523 REV B2 card, and two Seagate Barracuda
400 GBytes hard drives.
Problem:
When I install OpenBSD 3.8, and I get to the part that says:
Proceed with install? [no]
I type y and I get:
No
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:15:02 +0100 Andrew Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
GPL cannot be revoked by the author and, what is more, a new version
being classed as a 'derived work' would still under the terms of GPL
be classed as GPL and the original author couldn't do anything about
it.
Revoking
On 2006/04/05 00:15, Andrew Smith wrote:
GPL cannot be revoked by the author
Cannot be revoked but can be re-licenced by the author under
another license. Where there's more than one author, all must agree
to the change.
This leads to dual-licensed code having things like
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 05:01:21PM -0700, Smith wrote:
I bought a new 1U server with an Intel SE7221BK-1E Entry Server Board, a
LSI MegaRAID Sata 150-4D SER523 REV B2 card, and two Seagate Barracuda
400 GBytes hard drives.
Problem:
When I install OpenBSD 3.8, and I get to the part that
That's easy. Get the information for the guy who envisioned the language.
_The C++ Programming Language_
Bjarne Stroustrup.
Addison-Wesley, 2000
ISBN: 0201700735
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0201700735/sr=1-1/qid=1144196764/ref=sr_1_1/104-6908142-7055123?%5Fencoding=UTF8s=books
On 4/4/06, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let say that you have a GNU project and that you need to keep full
compatibility with the system calls, in/out, same function names and in
some cases structure, but the way the process is done is different.
At what point is it correct and
On 2006/04/04 20:21, David Hill wrote:
Are you using floppyB, which supports RAID controllers?
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#MkInsMedia
OpenBSD 3.8 (RAMDISK_CD) #794: Sat Sep 10 15:58:32 MDT 2005
So does the CD - the controller would appear as an unsupported
device if this was the
--- Karl Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
I've setup a Cisco replacement using OpenBSD and OpenBGPd and man, this
thing FLIES :) I paid almost $3k AUD recently for another 64MB of RAM for
our Cisco 2610 and it was still struggling under the load of 6 - 8mb/sec!
The new OpenBSD box is
I have a source tree for 3.8-stable, updated using cvsup. Have
successfully used this source tree to do a 'make build' for i386,
however, when I attempt the first step for cross compiling for mac68k:
( cd /usr/src; make TARGET=mac68k cross-distrib )
It hangs at the following:
(cd
The 0x705c has a ZyDAS ZD1211 chipset in it, the 0x7050 is Ralink.
A Ralink based F5D7050 can be unambiguously identified via it's FCC ID. It
will be printed on the device (and IIRC the box). FCC ID K7SF5D7050A is an
RT25xx based device.
ural0: Belkin Belkin 54g USB Network Adapter, rev
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 02:07:54AM +0100, pedro la peu wrote:
The 0x705c has a ZyDAS ZD1211 chipset in it, the 0x7050 is Ralink.
A Ralink based F5D7050 can be unambiguously identified via it's FCC ID. It
will be printed on the device (and IIRC the box). FCC ID K7SF5D7050A is an
RT25xx
Hello,
i've been testing some vpn configurations with ipsecctl - ipsec.conf
on 3.9-CURRENT (i386), a snapshot from March 30 2006.
Is there a way to specify the peer as a fqdn in a ike esp rule?
something like:
ike dynamic esp from 10.150.150.2 to 192.168.1.0/24 peer vpn.example.com
(dstid
Lars Hansson wrote:
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 06:25, Miles Keaton wrote:
When would you NOT use OpenBSD?
When you run applications that *REALLY* needs SMP, not that there are a lot of
those.
Or when your application simply do not run on OpenBSD for some reason.
When would you
I would not suggest C++ for anything!
On 4/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i need to learn C++, but do not know where to begin with textbooks or online
docs. since, AFAICT, there are a great many skilled programmers on list, i
would
appreciate any recommendations that can be
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:54:54 -0400, Jean Raby wrote:
Hello,
i've been testing some vpn configurations with ipsecctl - ipsec.conf
on 3.9-CURRENT (i386), a snapshot from March 30 2006.
Is there a way to specify the peer as a fqdn in a ike esp rule?
something like:
ike dynamic esp from
Yup, sounds like a good workaround.
Actually, both end points have dynamic ips
so the script would have to get the peer's ip from the fqdn
but that's not a problem.
If you don't mind sending the patch my way,
i'd like to see the diff, i tried to figure out how that stuff worked
yesterday,
but
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