RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-04 Thread Shawn Syms
Hawk: Here is more info on why did doesn't work:
http://www.ensim.com/support/sxc/faqs/4.10.html

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-Original Message-
From: Hack Hawk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:35 PM
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Subject: RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


What?!?!?!  Are you absolutely sure about this?  SSL certs are based on the 
Domain Name,,, NOT the IP address.  It stands to reason that it would be 
possible for virtual hosts/domains to have their own certs.  Perhaps modssl 
doesn't support it, but I think that in theory it's possible.

- hawk

At 10:24 AM 12/03/2002, you wrote:
Multiple SSL certs for name-based virtual hosts aren't possible based upon
the way SSL is designed. Each site requiring a separate cert must have it's
own IP address.

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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Sandor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


hi everyone,

I have an apache 2.0.40 installed on a RedHat 7.2 box, complied with ssl
(openssl 0.9.6g).
Till now I had only one domain for which apache should use SSL cert files
(crt, key), but for our next project I have to add another SSL cert file a
specific domain.

I have NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 and have a list of virtualhost/ for
each of our domain, using ServerNamed base aliases, but for the ssl conf it
ain't works. In my ssl.conf in short looks like this:

NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
 ServerName domain1.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
 ServerName domain2.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

The problem is that apache does not serve domain2 cert files for domain2,
it
uses the first declaration for every https://domainX.com invoke. Does
anyone
know how to tell apache to uses specific SSL cert I'd like to define for
each of my virtualhosts?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Thomas

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RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-04 Thread Boyle Owen
From: Cliff Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.  
Definitely one of the top three. 

I'd say it is THE most frequently asked question (but I can't be
bothered scanning the archives to prove it :-)

The FAQ (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC47) is all very
well, but it is rather technical for a newbie and, having been written
by someone for whom English is a second language, is not as illuminating
as it might be. I had a go a re-writing it a few years ago
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modsslm=98559369910170w=2) so
maybe we could start there...

However, given the tendency of people to read the instructions only if
all else fails, putting a warning in the default config sounds like a
good idea. Putting an error message in the source-code would be even
better!

Rgds,

Owen Boyle

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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-04 Thread Justin Williams
A whole new error class!  RTFM errors and ID-10-T error codes alongside!  If 
nothing else, it would be thoroughly entertaining!

On Wednesday 04 December 2002 12:17 pm, Boyle Owen wrote:
 From: Cliff Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.
 Definitely one of the top three.

 I'd say it is THE most frequently asked question (but I can't be
 bothered scanning the archives to prove it :-)

 The FAQ (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC47) is all very
 well, but it is rather technical for a newbie and, having been written
 by someone for whom English is a second language, is not as illuminating
 as it might be. I had a go a re-writing it a few years ago
 (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modsslm=98559369910170w=2) so
 maybe we could start there...

 However, given the tendency of people to read the instructions only if
 all else fails, putting a warning in the default config sounds like a
 good idea. Putting an error message in the source-code would be even
 better!

 Rgds,

 Owen Boyle

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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-04 Thread Mads Toftum
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 01:17:12PM +0100, Boyle Owen wrote:
 From: Cliff Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.  
 Definitely one of the top three. 
 
 I'd say it is THE most frequently asked question (but I can't be
 bothered scanning the archives to prove it :-)
 
Yeah, I think so too.

 The FAQ (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC47) is all very
 well, but it is rather technical for a newbie and, having been written
 by someone for whom English is a second language, is not as illuminating
 as it might be. I had a go a re-writing it a few years ago
 (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modsslm=98559369910170w=2) so
 maybe we could start there...
 
Yes, I'll add it to the 2.x docs.

 However, given the tendency of people to read the instructions only if
 all else fails, putting a warning in the default config sounds like a
 good idea. Putting an error message in the source-code would be even
 better!
 
I'm pretty sure there already is (at least in 1.3) but that requires
people to read the error_log.

vh

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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-04 Thread Hack Hawk
At 11:26 PM 12/03/2002, Justin Williams wrote:

A whole new error class!  RTFM errors and ID-10-T error codes alongside!  If
nothing else, it would be thoroughly entertaining!


In my defense, I ALWAYS RTFM before asking questions like this.  HOWEVER, 
in this case, the httpd.conf APPEARS to indicate that this type of 
configuration/support should be possible.  So, being the curious, technical 
type of person that I am, I'd probably just start trying to make it work 
even before RTFMing to find that it's not actually supported.  MUCH wasted 
time if I hadn't stumbled upon this conversation in this group.

I'm of the opinion that it would be NICE if there was some info about 
this in the httpd.conf file on top of the manual and FAQ's.  Note that I 
only say it would be NICE.  I'd still end up going to the manual and FAQ 
before posting such a question.  I certainly don't mind the extra work, 
considering the absolutely awesome price of the product.  ;)

- hawk

On Wednesday 04 December 2002 12:17 pm, Boyle Owen wrote:
 From: Cliff Woolley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.
 Definitely one of the top three.

 I'd say it is THE most frequently asked question (but I can't be
 bothered scanning the archives to prove it :-)

 The FAQ (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#ToC47) is all very
 well, but it is rather technical for a newbie and, having been written
 by someone for whom English is a second language, is not as illuminating
 as it might be. I had a go a re-writing it a few years ago
 (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modsslm=98559369910170w=2) so
 maybe we could start there...

 However, given the tendency of people to read the instructions only if
 all else fails, putting a warning in the default config sounds like a
 good idea. Putting an error message in the source-code would be even
 better!

 Rgds,

 Owen Boyle

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RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Shawn Syms
Multiple SSL certs for name-based virtual hosts aren't possible based upon
the way SSL is designed. Each site requiring a separate cert must have it's
own IP address.

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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Sandor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


hi everyone,

I have an apache 2.0.40 installed on a RedHat 7.2 box, complied with ssl
(openssl 0.9.6g).
Till now I had only one domain for which apache should use SSL cert files
(crt, key), but for our next project I have to add another SSL cert file a
specific domain.

I have NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 and have a list of virtualhost/ for
each of our domain, using ServerNamed base aliases, but for the ssl conf it
ain't works. In my ssl.conf in short looks like this:

NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain1.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain2.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

The problem is that apache does not serve domain2 cert files for domain2, it
uses the first declaration for every https://domainX.com invoke. Does anyone
know how to tell apache to uses specific SSL cert I'd like to define for
each of my virtualhosts?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Thomas

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RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Hack Hawk
What?!?!?!  Are you absolutely sure about this?  SSL certs are based on the 
Domain Name,,, NOT the IP address.  It stands to reason that it would be 
possible for virtual hosts/domains to have their own certs.  Perhaps modssl 
doesn't support it, but I think that in theory it's possible.

- hawk

At 10:24 AM 12/03/2002, you wrote:
Multiple SSL certs for name-based virtual hosts aren't possible based upon
the way SSL is designed. Each site requiring a separate cert must have it's
own IP address.

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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Sandor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


hi everyone,

I have an apache 2.0.40 installed on a RedHat 7.2 box, complied with ssl
(openssl 0.9.6g).
Till now I had only one domain for which apache should use SSL cert files
(crt, key), but for our next project I have to add another SSL cert file a
specific domain.

I have NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 and have a list of virtualhost/ for
each of our domain, using ServerNamed base aliases, but for the ssl conf it
ain't works. In my ssl.conf in short looks like this:

NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain1.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain2.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

The problem is that apache does not serve domain2 cert files for domain2, it
uses the first declaration for every https://domainX.com invoke. Does anyone
know how to tell apache to uses specific SSL cert I'd like to define for
each of my virtualhosts?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Thomas

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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Dave Paris
Look at the handshake for SSL.  During the name to address translation 
phase, you wind up with a chicken-egg scenario if more than one name 
shares an address.

Not only is it not possible, it'd be a HUGE security flaw if it WERE 
possible.

-dsp

On Tuesday, Dec 3, 2002, at 15:34 US/Eastern, Hack Hawk wrote:

What?!?!?!  Are you absolutely sure about this?  SSL certs are based 
on the Domain Name,,, NOT the IP address.  It stands to reason that it 
would be possible for virtual hosts/domains to have their own certs.  
Perhaps modssl doesn't support it, but I think that in theory it's 
possible.

- hawk

At 10:24 AM 12/03/2002, you wrote:
Multiple SSL certs for name-based virtual hosts aren't possible based 
upon
the way SSL is designed. Each site requiring a separate cert must 
have it's
own IP address.

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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Sandor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


hi everyone,

I have an apache 2.0.40 installed on a RedHat 7.2 box, complied with 
ssl
(openssl 0.9.6g).
Till now I had only one domain for which apache should use SSL cert 
files
(crt, key), but for our next project I have to add another SSL cert 
file a
specific domain.

I have NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 and have a list of virtualhost/ 
for
each of our domain, using ServerNamed base aliases, but for the ssl 
conf it
ain't works. In my ssl.conf in short looks like this:

NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain1.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
ServerName domain2.com
CustomLog ...
ErrorLog ...
SSLEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

The problem is that apache does not serve domain2 cert files for 
domain2, it
uses the first declaration for every https://domainX.com invoke. Does 
anyone
know how to tell apache to uses specific SSL cert I'd like to define 
for
each of my virtualhosts?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Thomas

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RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Hack Hawk
At 12:49 PM 12/03/2002, Shawn Syms wrote:

Hawk: Here is more info on why did doesn't work:
http://www.ensim.com/support/sxc/faqs/4.10.html


Aha.  That makes sense to me.  I noticed this discussion because I was 
considering doing this sort of thing in the next month or two. Damn!  Now I 
have to provide IP addresses for virtual sites that require this support.  :(

Thanks for the heads up though.

- hawk

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-Original Message-
From: Hack Hawk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 3:35 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


What?!?!?!  Are you absolutely sure about this?  SSL certs are based on the
Domain Name,,, NOT the IP address.  It stands to reason that it would be
possible for virtual hosts/domains to have their own certs.  Perhaps modssl
doesn't support it, but I think that in theory it's possible.

- hawk

At 10:24 AM 12/03/2002, you wrote:
Multiple SSL certs for name-based virtual hosts aren't possible based upon
the way SSL is designed. Each site requiring a separate cert must have it's
own IP address.

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-Original Message-
From: Thomas Sandor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?


hi everyone,

I have an apache 2.0.40 installed on a RedHat 7.2 box, complied with ssl
(openssl 0.9.6g).
Till now I had only one domain for which apache should use SSL cert files
(crt, key), but for our next project I have to add another SSL cert file a
specific domain.

I have NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78 and have a list of virtualhost/ for
each of our domain, using ServerNamed base aliases, but for the ssl conf it
ain't works. In my ssl.conf in short looks like this:

NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
 ServerName domain1.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:443
 ServerName domain2.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

The problem is that apache does not serve domain2 cert files for domain2,
it
uses the first declaration for every https://domainX.com invoke. Does
anyone
know how to tell apache to uses specific SSL cert I'd like to define for
each of my virtualhosts?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Regards,
Thomas


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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Cliff Woolley
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Dave Paris wrote:

 Not only is it not possible

With the current state of the SSL protocol such as it is, this is
correct-- it's not possible.

 it'd be a HUGE security flaw if it WERE possible.

Well, not necessarily... all that you would need is for the client to tell
the server which host it *thought* it was contacting, and then the server
would know which vhost to serve the request with and therefore which
certificate to present.  That would require the SSL protocol to have the
equivalent of HTTP's Host: header.  From there, as long as the certificate
can be verified as authentic, there's no more risk than there would be if
there was a one-to-one mapping between IP and hostname as the current SSL
protocol requires.

But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.  Definitely
one of the top three.  I wonder if we can't find a better way to document
this?  Anyone have any ideas?  I'd say un-hiding it from the FAQ page
would be a good start... it's a prominent question, give the answer a more
prominent location.

--Cliff

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Re: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread R. DuFresne


Perhaps including it in the defauly httpd.conf file underr the
VirtualHost directives as commentary might help?

#  General setup for the virtual host
# ...name based VHing does not work, you need to...to get this to
#  ...work...if you ask this in the modssl-users list, you might
#well be berated for failing to read documentation...

Perhaps putting the information in the README as well as in the INSTALL
docs, tthus putting it in as many places as possible might help?

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne

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On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Cliff Woolley wrote:

[SNIP]

 
 But please, people, this is SUCH a frequently asked question.  Definitely
 one of the top three.  I wonder if we can't find a better way to document
 this?  Anyone have any ideas?  I'd say un-hiding it from the FAQ page
 would be a good start... it's a prominent question, give the answer a more
 prominent location.
 
 --Cliff
 
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RE: how to add multiple SSL cert for each virtual host?

2002-12-03 Thread Krist . vanBesien


 Aha.  That makes sense to me.  I noticed this discussion 
 because I was 
 considering doing this sort of thing in the next month or 
 two. Damn!  Now I 
 have to provide IP addresses for virtual sites that require 
 this support.  :(

Might not something like this work? It gives you name based virtual hosts
for the http part...


NameVirtualHost 12.34.56.78:80

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:80
 ServerName domain1.com
 Redirect / https://domain1.com:1443
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:80
 ServerName domain2.com
 Redirect / https://domain2.com:1444
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:1443
 ServerName domain1.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain1.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain1.key
/VirtualHost

VirtualHost 12.34.56.78:1444
 ServerName domain2.com
 CustomLog ...
 ErrorLog ...
 SSLEngine on
 SSLCertificateFile /somewhere/ssl.crt/domain2.crt
 SSLCertificateKeyFile somewhere/ssl.key/domain2.key
/VirtualHost

I've just written this from the top of my head, so I don;t know if I didn't
make any syntax errors. But I'll have to try this out someday here, as I'm
going to run into the same problem as you are now.

Greetings,

Krist

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