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When Picasso and Braque Went to the Movies
* _RANDY KENNEDY_
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/randy_kennedy/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
Published: April 15, 2007
IT was _Picasso_
when the number of lobby card collectors grows to that of comic book, coin,
sports card, and stamp collectorsonly then will we see slabbing of lobby
cards. The hobby right now just doesn't have enough collectors to support a
company that would slab them.
maybe one day, but I don't see
Not enough investors in the hobby for a company to invest in slabbing lobby
cards. Slabbing will increase prices and add incremental grading categories
that are irrelevant to the hobby.
Personally I'm against slabbing.
Jim
Unshredded Nostalgia
Slabbing.
Bruce has offered up this subject so I'll bite.
Why slabbing for lobby cards? I am to understand for coins, comics and
trading cards, there existed a pervasive malaise in accurate condition
reveal.
With internet sales exploding, for comics, with multiple pages, a lot
Come on, Freeman you know you want to slab one of those wonderful 24
sheets you have :-)
Rick
www.ilovefilms.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 11:09:44 AM
Subject: [MOPO] SLABBING SHOULD BE
Good Morning Folks,
When I first started collecting and, of course, starting selling, Linen
Backing was done by folks that belonged to the country clubFor
those that do not understand that analogy, I'm talking about folks that
only had the money to do so and the only people that linen
Freeman,
Thank you for explaining the purpose of comic book slabbing. I could never
understand why people would encapsulate their comics, thus rendering them
unreadable. It defeats the purpose of having the comic book in the first
place. Maybe they will start slabbing 78 RPM records next.
I
I was surprised to see the slabbing of personal signed check's of famous
people. I collect some of these and I don't know how long that has been going
on. Mine are all unslabbed.
--Tom Pennock
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Afternoon everyone,
I am getting the impression that some dealers are finding that leaving a
poster in it's original state is becoming more preferable to the average
poster collector vs. linen-backing.
Is this correct? Has there been a noticable shift in thinking and
preferences regarding
I think there has been a shift in thinking to keeping posters folded. When
I started collecting there seemed to be a premium on LB'd posters.
I've always had all mine backed. If they are NM, I'd have no restoration
done. I think they present better and are simply a nicer product.
Hopefully, my
I agree completely with Freeman. Slabbing ruined sports card
collecting as far as I'm concerned. What originated as a response to
buyer anxiety about the true condition of mail- and internet-ordered
items became a wave of speculation and price inflation powered by a
symbiotic relationship
Stills before Lobby cards.
Dario.
Tom Johnson wrote:
I agree completely with Freeman. Slabbing ruined sports card
collecting as far as I'm concerned. What originated as a response to
buyer anxiety about the true condition of mail- and internet-ordered
items became a wave of speculation and
Hi, Everyone,
I have about 40 auctions closing WITHIN 6 TO 7 HOURS!!!, including some
really GREAT, One-Of-A-Kind Vintage Posters and Lobby Cards. Link to all
auctions and partial EXPANDED list is below: Thanks for looking! Rick
_http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZrixposterzQQhtZ-1_
it is illogical to own a linen mounted poster that looks better in 2007 than it
did in the theatre's fingerprint-stained glass showcase in 1944.
i have always been willing to pay more for unbacked items. since bruce started
this post, i will give him credit for selling tons of one sheets that
Folks.. a little history of slabbing comic books is in order
first of all, the true reason for slabbing comic books is a financial reason
Slabbing comic began as a response in part to investors
definition of investor: a person who has no historical interest in a
comic. The item is only
i'm on the other side of this issue. restoration obviously is not
unique to posters. great works of art, oil paintings of the masters for
example have restoration done form time to time. As to posters i
agree smudges and minor tears should be left alone but if i owned
an expensive king kong poster
1) Would you like to see it happen?
2) If it does, do you anticipate you would have some or all of your
collection/inventory slabbed?
3) Would it make you more likely to buy slabbed items over un-slabbed ones?
Awful idea, won't have any of mine slabbed, won't buy any already slabbed.
RKP
** I grow tired of pupils from the no linen-backing, no restoration school
applying their rules to larger art items like movie paper filled with
acid. This is a zero-tolerance attitude that feels TOO absolute. If you
collect antiquarian hardbacks, comic books or magazines, you can't restore
Thank you Freeman. I wish I could get to NYC to see this showing. How
wonderful.
Toochis
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 7:34:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OFF TOPIC AND UTTERLY FASCINATING
I work in the Rare Coin and Banknote industry (again) and while US coins are
slabbed, the rest of the world frowns upon it.
In Australia, or at least where I work if we get a slabbed coin we grab a screw
driver and smash the slab and card it.
I personally wouldnt buy a slabbed card, unless the
I am totally with David on this..
as an art dealer of many years, restoration for a work of art is
imperative to it's survival
a movie poster of which there may be very few ( lik ethe Mummy) may
have restoration necessitated by the ravages of time
Personally I prefer to get unbacked posters,
i already gave my thoughts today on restoration.
why do people seem that they have to compare other artifacts? posters are
unique.
but, since people compare other hobbies, think about this.. i have a
neighbor who has the brightest white 1954 or 55 TBIRD convertible with red
I agree with Ari
I cant see even the remotest possibility that lobby cards will ever be slabbed.
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I have handled many very fragile posters over the years including large Italian
two and four foglio posters. Sometimes they are so fragile that every time you
handle them it is almost inevitable that they will be further damaged. I have
some Italian posters locked away in a drawer because if I
Aloha MoPo,
David,
I could not agree with you more
Best,
Mark
--- David Kusumoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
** I grow tired of pupils from the no
linen-backing, no restoration school
applying their rules to larger art items like
movie paper filled with
acid. This is a
Answers:
1. Yes
2. No (I don't collect lobby cards ... yet)
3. Yes
Reasoning:
It is noted that after acceptance of slabbing of other
collectibles was generally accepted, the respective
hobbies were strengthened / stabilized, and values
increased gradually (or dramatically in some cases)
for
I am probably the youngest of the collectors on this site (just turned 26) and
have collected for the past 10 years since I started going to shows at 16. As a
torch carrer in a way I pay close attention to everyone's opinion without
speaking much as I'm still learning daily. Now that I work
David,
I agree as well.
I think that linen backing is a real plus for rare posters and even not so
rare. Time is not going to help any poster. If you linen back a rare poster
it is some what locked into the condition of the time and if restoration is
needed it will be less than at a future date
I would believe.
A $100.00 poster in NM state, linen backed wouuld not be worth MORE if backed.
So you lose the $$ of the restoration.
I believe backing should be only for pieces that need it, ie, they are brittle,
fragile, torn, too dirty, etc.
same goes for a $1,000 poster, and to back a NM
my DOUBLE INDEMNITY one sheet has no missing pieces anywhere, but does have
seam separation. colors are vibrant. it has been framed for 20 years.
you can see the imperfections. fair to value it at 3000 plus? i could
get a mint repro for ten bucks. get it?
Nope, I don't get it. If I
I am a relatively a new small time collector/dealer, but prefer linen
backing and it seems that high
end collectors do as well. If someone like Doug pipes in and says he wants
all natural then I might think differently.
I believe you're correct, Brek. If the high-end market shifts away from
I always find it amusing when someone asks about the preference of
linenbacking vs. not and people then immediately jump to the (il-)logical
conclusion that because a collector would prefer to buy a poster un-restored
if he/she can find it that said collector has zero-tolerance towards
backing and
yep 100% with Sean.
Although his tastes are champaigne and mine are beer.
Ari
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From: Sean Linkenback [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, 16 April, 2007 3:15:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] A shift in thinking, linen-backing slabbing?
I always
hey all,
in this major question of linen backing , restoring, etc, i wanted
to present and ask a question. i recently acquired the poster, for
THE UNHOLY THREE (silent, 1925 version), starring lon chaney, sr.
it has fold browning (it is large, French panel, 47x63). there is
some fold
Jeff,
absolutely linenback that vintage French poster.The acids in the inks on
foreign paper can lay waste to the poorly milled paper stock, coupled with
the numerous intersecting fold lines all weakend again by age , wear, and
acids.
So not backing I fear the next to you check on your
great read Vaughn!
I really wouldn't want my lobbies looking like Dinner table placemats,
I am a paper freak, I love the different colors, smells and textures of the
years,
and do prefer older paper because of its beautiful quality inks and matte
finishes.
I have bought newer paper because I
Amen, David.
Dario.
David Kusumoto wrote:
** I grow tired of pupils from the no linen-backing, no restoration
school applying their rules to larger art items like movie paper
filled with acid. This is a zero-tolerance attitude that feels TOO
absolute. If you collect antiquarian
you are talking both sides...what is your real position? i am
confused by your email..
jeff
On Apr 15, 2007, at 10:46 PM, susan olson wrote:
great read Vaughn!
I really wouldn’t want my lobbies looking like Dinner table placemats,
I am a paper freak, I love the different colors, smells
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