Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Bruce Hershenson
It didn't take long. Apparently this can no longer be dismissed as the actions of one demented ex-employee: http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/09-11-2009/0005092341&EDATE= Bruce On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Bruce Hershenson < brucehershen...@gmail.com> wro

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Bruce Hershenson
"*As a direct consequence of the Defendants' fraud, Mr. Hendershott and other individual bidders in the same position as Mr. Hendershott, sustained injury and paid inflated prices on certain auction items upon which N.P. Gresham bid up the price." Sounds like there may be the mother of collectible

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Jeff Potokar
i found this more current article today. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/steve_duin/index.ssf/2009/09/ lifting_the_veil_at_heritage_a.html On Sep 14, 2009, at 6:07 AM, Bruce Hershenson wrote: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2009/09/ lawsuit_claims_heritage_auctio.

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Bruce Hershenson
Paul I can really relate to that! 20 years ago I was at a Camden House auction, and I was called away for an hour, so I left 11 written bids in case I came back too late. All the bids I left were over the high estimate, and the people there assured me "they would take good care of me". My busines

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Paul Gerrard
James, I agree with the point you're making, but this situation did already exist with live auctions in the form of written absentee bids, albeit to a lesser extent. I've never trusted absentee bids after I left one with one of the London auction houses. They accidentally placed my bid ag

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread phil
Phil -Original Message- From: James Richard [mailto:jrl...@mediabearonline.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 02:23 AM To: p...@cinemarts.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different Phil, There

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread phil
Phil -Original Message- From: James Richard [mailto:jrl...@mediabearonline.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 02:23 AM To: p...@cinemarts.com Cc: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different Phil, There

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread James Richard
Phil, There's a very real difference today compared to the shill-bidding of the past. Prior to internet bidding, there was no way for the "house shill" to *know* what the other bidders were willing to pay as their maximum bid. So it was much harder for a shill to keep pushing up the price unl

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-15 Thread Bruce Hershenson
t; > Phil > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Franc [mailto:fdav...@verizon.net] > *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 03:13 PM > *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU > *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread phil
he auction business since The Dawn of Time, which we all know was a Very Long Time Ago. Phil -Original Message- From: Franc [mailto:fdav...@verizon.net] Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 03:13 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread Bruce Hershenson
My favorite line is " it only wins between one and two percent of the auctions it bids on". I wonder how someone could be such an incredible "guesser" that they only win between one out of 50 to one out of 100 times they bid. One would almost think they might possibly know what the person they wer

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread Jeff Potokar
What repercussions will this have (if any)? Using shills (whether disclosed or not) doesn't look good seems sneaky, whether that info is disclosed in the fine print, or not. again.. it will remain to be seen, since papers have ben filed. will it go forward? be settled? or thrown out? Je

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread Franc
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of James Richard Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:10 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different Sorry to double post, but I had to read the arti

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread James Richard
Sorry to double post, but I had to read the article over a couple of more times just to cut through all the double-talk (and all the useless "testimonials" posted as comments at the end of the article). When I had done that I just had to post my own comment on the article: "So, just because "e

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread Franc
other day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different Oh, wow... and we thought the double-talk about a clearly faded poster being described as "may be faded" was disingenuous. This article is bizarre, in it the President of Heritage admits that they have been using a shill

Re: [MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread James Richard
Oh, wow... and we thought the double-talk about a clearly faded poster being described as "may be faded" was disingenuous. This article is bizarre, in it the President of Heritage admits that they have been using a shill (s?) to bid on their auctions, but is actually quoted as claiming that it

[MOPO] another day, another lawsuit, but this one's a little different

2009-09-14 Thread Bruce Hershenson
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