That's interesting.
On May 7, 2011, at 9:19 AM, X Acto wrote:
I think to group reification with conceptualization is confusing the meaning
of
both terms
leading to inaccuracies.
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From: MarshaV val...@att.net
To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org
Craig,
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 11:53 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Pirsig]
To say that A causes B or to say that B values
precondition A is to say the same thing. The difference is one of words
only. Instead of saying A magnet causes iron filings to move toward it,
you can say Iron
Steve said to Dan:
Since the Cartesian self is denied, the free will is denied since there is no
autonomous agent to posses the faculty known as free will.
dmb says:
I'm not so sure it follows. Does the denial of the Cartesian self also entail
the denial of agency? It seems to me that freedom
Marsha:
In the MoQ, causation is replaced by preference, but it is still a pattern or
an explanatory extension of a pattern.
On May 8, 2011, at 10:52 AM, david buchanan wrote:
Steve said to Dan:
Since the Cartesian self is denied, the free will is denied since there is no
autonomous
Hello everyone
On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Dan,
Steve:
I think Pirsig's interpretation of causality as B values precondition
A renders the whole question of free will versus determinism moot for
MOQers. At least it should. Choices are
Dan and Dave,
Perfection in MoQ terms is easy to conceptualize and define. It's peace of
mind. That's all.
Dan:
Well, again, if you wish to believe in perfection, then believe in
perfection. Don't let me stop you.
John:
For some people, peace of mind is easy. For others its very hard.
[Pirsig]
To say that A causes B or to say that B values
precondition A is to say the same thing. The difference is one of words
only. Instead of saying A magnet causes iron filings to move toward it,
you can say Iron filings value movement toward a magnet.
In Iron filings value movement toward a
Ok, one more point Dan, since I had to leave some previous dialogue
behind...
David:
I disagree that static patterns evolve towards Dynamic Quality.
Dan:
Then you disagree with the MOQ:
...Phaedrus wrote on one of his slips, It seems clear that no
mechanistic pattern exists toward
Hello everyone
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 9:09 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, one more point Dan, since I had to leave some previous dialogue
behind...
David:
I disagree that static patterns evolve towards Dynamic Quality.
Dan:
Then you disagree with the MOQ:
...Phaedrus
Hey John, wherever you are,
Freedom is a rig full of gas, a wide open road, a stack of audio CDs,
and some sweet rock and roll. Oh, yeah, and truck stops full of
coffee. Just watch out for the ones full of Vampires...
Let me know what you find On the Road, I am interested.
Mark
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