Re: [MD] E=mc2: maybe not

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
Greetings Mark, If I had before me a pail of water from the seashore would I be so foolish as to start describing the Pacific Ocean? No! I had a few unpatterned experiences. They were kind of visual. I was aware but there was no visual recognition or conceptual recognition: no shape or no

Re: [MD] E=mc2: maybe not

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
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Re: [MD] James v. Dewey v. Pirsig w.r.t. Free will

2011-10-01 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi dmb, Steve said: Again, what is it about determinism that has devastating consequences and will render your actions inert and your life meaningless? ... Determinism (pragmatically understood as the hope of explaining events in terms of causes and effects) is a belief held to fulfill

[MD] Dennett James' Free will

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
Greetings, I found the bundle of quotes below presented without explanation not very helpful. Within the MoQ I do not understand how free-will and determinism (soft or hard) can be other than intellectual static patterns of value. Regardless, here are some lectures that might, at least,

Re: [MD] Dennett James' Free will

2011-10-01 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi Marsha, I watched all those videos this morning. Thanks for posting them. I think this is the missing part 5: http://www.youtube.com/user/infophilosopher#p/u/34/jNQ_jRU0s6w Bob Doyle sure seems to think he's got this problem licked. He seems more evangelist than philosopher at times. The

Re: [MD] Dennett James' Free will

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
Hi Steve, I've searched high and low for a video of the Tuft's Seminar, but didn't find any. I didn't take Doyle's presentation as more than some kind of presentation of James's explanation of free-will. It's not the end-of-the-story. And I do not see that James's free-will fits well with

[MD] Lectures on James's free will

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
Thanks Steve for finding the 5th lecture. Here's a six-part talk on William James' Free Will 1. William James' Free Will. Part 1 of 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPWg6tfSx2k 2. The Standard Argument Against Free Will http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igF_M5r_9So 3. The Two-Stage

Re: [MD] James v. Dewey v. Pirsig w.r.t. Free will

2011-10-01 Thread david buchanan
Steve said: what is it about determinism that has devastating consequences and will render your actions inert and your life meaningless? ... Determinism (pragmatically understood as the hope of explaining events in terms of causes and effects) is a belief held to fulfill our desires to

Re: [MD] James v. Dewey v. Pirsig w.r.t. Free will

2011-10-01 Thread Steven Peterson
Hi dmb, A more honest response would have been that you have indeed been insisting that determinism is married to SOM in spite of your protestations and name-calling over the past weeks. You think free will can be shed of its metaphysical baggage and understood pragmatically, but you insist that

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-10-01 Thread MarshaV
Greetings, I wrote to Daniel Dennett. Post and reply are below... Marsha On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:50 PM, Dennett, Daniel C. wrote: There is no video of my seminar, sad to say. In a sentence, I think that the only grounds for wanting 'real' randomness (quantum indeterminacy) is if you

Re: [MD] E=mc2: maybe not

2011-10-01 Thread 118
Yes, the math is always being rewritten, as a MoQer this should not surprise you. It is all sq being used to depict reality, and as such it is a creation of man. Unless you understand what the word analogy means, you will not understand what MoQ is. Reread the end of ZaMM. Pisig lost his