Re: [MD] The Two Contexts of the MOQ

2013-08-05 Thread Ian Glendinning
Hi DMB, and in that first para, you in fact agree with what I suggested. The intended follow-up was to debate the standards of intelligent intellectual philosophical debate in our MoQ context, you start to do so by listing contributions you consider valid. Progress. So clearly not a strawman. You

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread Ian Glendinning
OK Arlo, On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:52 PM, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR ajb...@psu.edu wrote: [Ian] I've tried and get roundly shouted down by the baying mob of Pirsig bulldogs. [Arlo] For someone who cries straw man with almost every post, you sure seem to rely on them a lot. so instead of

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread Ian Glendinning
Hi Ant, On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Many thanks for that Ian but DMB is essentially making a very good point about the intellectual quality (or lack of) at this Discussion group. [IG] Me too, or do you disagree ? Otherwise, the title of this

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Ron] It made me reflect on what we mean by static and dynamic and how they best function as a description in relation to cultural patterns, the west may be a more dynamic culture as it accepts change faster but the east cultures the personal experience with dynamic quality and it does this

Re: [MD] The Two Contexts of the MOQ

2013-08-05 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Ian] ... not allowing a narrow SOMist (Context 2) view of intellect to dominate. [Arlo] I read this, and I think I cried a little. Let's start with Paul's basic definition of context two. Context (2) is the articulation of a particular intellectual static pattern - the 'plain of

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread David Harding
[djh] The Dynamic/East context is the same as context 1. The static/West context is the same as context 2. [Arlo] I suggest you take some time and read Northrop's Meeting of East and West. There is really nothing more I can say to this, David. This context dichotomy has no value to me,

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[DJH] At the most fundamental level there is an apparent contradiction within the MOQ... [Arlo] I do not see this a 'contradiction' (apparent or otherwise) within the MOQ. How I read Paul's ideas, is that Pirsig uses two voices over two books, one epistemological and one ontological. I've

Re: [MD] The Two Contexts of the MOQ

2013-08-05 Thread david buchanan
Ian said to dmb: ...You don't need the anti-intellectual slogans response. As I have said when you see those, you are seeing a reaction to the narrow Context 2 view of intellect attempting to dominate Context 1 - a defensive reaction against the dominant ideology, as I also said. As Paul

Re: [MD] The Two Contexts of the MOQ

2013-08-05 Thread MarshaV
dmb, I'm not buying your rhetoric. I am at the MD to explore RMP's Metaphysics of Quality and the MoQ's relationship to Buddhism, and the way they play in living my life. I am not here to accept your interpretations, opinions and judgements as Holy Writ. I'll leave you to be as you are,

Re: [MD] Marsha My Dear

2013-08-05 Thread ADRIE KINTZIGER
Hi, Arlo. breathtaking to read in your last two postings,that you understood the Turhererpaper completely,just as you understood Pirsigs, works completely.Furthermore you seem to handle all possible implications flawlessly with a 'natural' as if the rest is unimportant. what you are presenting