Re: [MD] Religion is not created by man. Men are created by religion.

ork of the Observer. What’s worse, ascribing > universality to these concepts of “Good” and “Evil” is a recipe for > disaster because, while most of humanity shares values to a large degree, > there will always be edge cases either due to upbringing, environment or > culture where w

Re: [MD] Religion is not created by man. Men are created by religion.

Erin, I'm a slow responder. An infrequent poster. A generally lazy person. But even a year later, I gotta respond to this... On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 6:53 AM, wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am so sorry to hear of the passing of Mr. Pirsig. My thoughts, prayers, > and heart

Re: [MD] New Pirsig Article

Hi Arlo, Hope you are doing well. I've been fine. Just wanted to comment on the article you post and say... pblllt. I mean really. " In this article, I reexamine quality and rhetoric in Robert M. Pirsig’s *Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance* through Julia Kristeva’s semiotic

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

wrote: > > > > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of > John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 1:32 PM > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > Subject: Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud? > >

Re: [MD] Begging the question of what is Quality

Tuk, On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Tuukka Virtaperko < m...@tuukkavirtaperko.net> wrote: > All, > > According to the MOQ it's at least sometimes moral to beg the question of > "What is Quality (ie. moral value)?" Pirsig claims to have empirical > experience that doing so increases our

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

new posting of David came in, nice written,correct insights.) > > Ok , let this sedate a bit.start reformatting yourself. > Adrie > > > > > > > > 2016-11-04 18:17 GMT+01:00 John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com>: > > > PS: If there is some antipathy toward Pirsig on A

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

punishments. > Its only perceived evil is static quality itself - any pattern of one-sided > fixed values that tries to contain and kill the ongoing free force of > life." Pirsig, chapter 9 of Lila. > > > > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_disc

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

y'all's help in reconciling two men whom I appreciate. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 10:14 AM, John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> wrote: > Adrie, > > > On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > But this aside, and adopting the t

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

Adrie, On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Adrie Kintziger wrote: But this aside, and adopting the term for metaforical purposes ,Pirsig > is a beachcomber in the intellectual landscape ,beachcombing the giant, > and the world in wich we live, to show wat was laid bare by

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

ou insist on it.and > maybe we really should ask David his opinions about it,but if this is to > fool around > we are indeed stealing his time and effort. > > If you are really honest about this, i will shut up about theism. > I can make no other promesess. > > >

Re: [MD] The Heinous Quadrilemma

Tuk, Whenever we ask whether any idea is good or not, we must take into account the historical context - thus both materialism and idealism are good ideas in that they were good ideas at the time. Labels have connotations that evolve, therefore getting hung up on labels is a bad idea and you

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

made other than analytic > > philosophy. And funny that Dan just mentioned Gödel and now you mention > > this, because Gödel proved Whitehead's and Russell's project - Principia > > Mathematica - to be impossible. Pirsig convinced me of the importance of > > the MOQ but I mi

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

ace. > > > I really wished that Dan would be still talking about his beachcombing, > and found some dialogue.I like irl grounded story's.They tend to be very > philosphical. > > Adrie > > > > 2016-11-01 18:51 GMT+01:00 John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com>: > >

[MD] Criticism

I've mentioned before my acquaintance with Randall Auxier, well that book on Whitehead had a glossary by Auxier, so I asked him about the Pirsig/Whitehead connection. This was his take on it... RA: "When Pirsig was in school, everybody read Whitehead. Zero chance he didn't read Whitehead.

Re: [MD] Why does Pirsig write everybody's right about mind and matter although his theses imply the opposite?

Hi Dan, I appreciate your attitude and your concerns. I don't know if I can ally them all, some things I just have to confess as weaknesses and deal with it. I'm lazy, for one. I wing it. A lot. However I do care about the MoQ and I do want to see it live on amongst the patterns of

Re: [MD] Why does Pirsig write everybody's right about mind and matter although his theses imply the opposite?

Horse, "the list" Tuk and I are on is just Tuk and I so it can't really be called a list I don't think. And I'm pretty sure neither of us have much of an agenda at all other than to expand our personal understanding of the MoQ and how it relates to the rest of intellectual life. That's a big

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

And admittedly, I was trying to get a rise out of y'all. So at least that worked. Thanks dmb for the link to the comparison by Sneddon. Very helpful. jc On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> wrote: > My apologies. I'm getting old I guess,

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

My apologies. I'm getting old I guess, I thought it was Whitehead but you're right Andre of course Andre. sheesh, how embarrasing. I guess we all know who the REAL ignoramus is. mea culpa John On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: > John: > So

Re: [MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

David, So... Pirsig would fit well with Whitehead except that Whitehead isn't anti-theistic enough? For my part, I'd rather see RMP aligned with a prominent and accepted philosopher, but hey, thats just me. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 9:15 AM, david wrote: > Putting the

[MD] "RMP: Ignoramous or fraud?

It's got to be one or the other. Probably not the latter, makes more sense the former. He himself admited that he wasn't much of a scholarly philosophologist. And who has time to be? Academics in their lairs, maybe. In this busy age life is too big to keep your nose in books all the

Re: [MD] Punk Rock Existentialism

Hi Arlo, And greetings all. It's been a while. Your question reminded me of something I'd read recently on Art and Nihilism "Sounding like some hipster conservative, Heidegger contends in Being and Time that a formerly

Re: [MD] What's wrong with "a personal God"?

a public restroom before. And you've probably heard it, it's not a unique or special saying, trite and corny, now, but at the time it seemed fresh and dynamic to me - there is no gravity, the earth sucks. JC > Best Regards > > > > Nick > > > > *From:* John Car

Re: [MD] What's wrong with "a personal God"?

> > > Confused, in New Zealand. > > > > Nick > > > > a.k.a. Wes McGuinness > > > > > > > > *From:* John McConnell [mailto:jlmcconn...@bellsouth.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, 31 March 2016 3:42 a.m. > > *To:* Nick Summerhayes > *Cc:* 'H

Re: [MD] What's wrong with "a personal God"?

John, I brought up the issue of Personalism a while back in MD, and honestly, before we get into what you mean by "God", I think we ought to talk about what we mean by "Personal". I got interested in the discussion of Personalism in the general way through reading Auxier's commentary on James's

[MD] Hilary Putnam's Passing

A great man. He will be missed. Baggini interview "I make no secret of changing my mind on one or two important issues." It's a pretty unexceptional admission, but for the speaker of these words the

[MD] Upcoming APA Meeting

During the West Coast meeting of the APA there will be a talk given across the street to Royce aficianadoes and I will be attending, if anyone is in the area and would like to meet and greet. In fact, I will be one of the presenters. (modesty dictates an "ahem" here) It's not a big deal, just

Re: [MD] still going?

DMB and all, I forwarded Dave's assertions to Dr. Auxier and here is his learned reply to the following of Mr. Buchanan's: On Sunday, February 14, 2016, david wrote: > From the Stanford Encyclopedia: "Royce and James had always disagreed deeply concerning the proper

[MD] still going?

Oughta change this thread to Religions -Still Going? On Sunday, February 14, 2016, david > wrote: > From the Stanford Encyclopedia: > > "Royce and James had always disagreed deeply concerning the proper >

Re: [MD] Still going (Irina)

J-A and all, On 2/18/16, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: > Hi Irina and all > > About religions, where can we read something about faith of the gods? Jc: Right here. and in a little-know French Semi-otician and culutral critic, Jacques Ellul. From the beginning, God

Re: [MD] In religion

he World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at &g

Re: [MD] still going?

that for every analogy one can find between Royce and Nietzsche, including the voluntarism, one may find a solid source in Emerson. ... The point is thaty understanding how Schopenhauer and Emerson overlap and how they clash, is not a bad way to think through the relation of philosophy to life, a

Re: [MD] still going?

Adrie and dave, > It is true altogether that we cannot prove that god does not exist, hence > he 'does 'exist or to say the least, fallibilism as a postulate (if > accepted) allows > the creator to stay on top of the pyramid. Jc: I understand your fear, but I wonder what place "fear" has in

Re: [MD] still going?

yce and Kernan, 1916, The close relationship between William James is well known to many but I believe is best summarized by James’ own words: “Royce and I love each other like Siamese twins” So I wonder why it's hard for you to admit the truth of my assertion. It seems to me that all the evidence

Re: [MD] still going?

Dan, > Dan: > Here is a bit more from The Guidebook to ZMM which seems to resound > with what we're discussing here: > > "Does nature have its way? Does the Tao win out? Does harmony prevail? > Yes, yes, yes. But also not necessarily, not necessarily, not > necessarily. Jc: I agree. "it all

Re: [MD] still going?

> Probably were clean about that one.. > > > Feel free to talk about oter thing anyway, i did hurt my knee very badly > about a month ago and i need some rest. > > Adrie > > 2016-01-31 17:39 GMT+01:00 david <dmbucha...@hotmail.com>: > >> >> Adrie Kin

Re: [MD] still going?

dmb, On 1/31/16, david wrote: > dmb says: > > The Stanford Encyclopedia is considered to be among the most credible > academic sources, right up there with philosophy Journals and University > books. And there are many good reasons to draw the conclusion that James and >

Re: [MD] still going?

Hello Dan, > Dan: > Yeah I can sympathize with that. Money for work. Gave up on that a > long time ago myself. Now if only I could get the electric company to > agree... Jc: Yeah, I hear you. There are different situations. I've often lived as a caretaker where people just need somebody to

Re: [MD] still going?

Adrie, On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Adrie Kintziger <parser...@gmail.com> wrote: > > To john carl > > I still remember the part you mention about the position i took in the > James/Royce discussion.It is true that i defended the case that James and > Royce were in

Re: [MD] still going?

Hi Dan, > > Dan: > Do you have any choice in the matter? The way I see it, the reward is > in the work itself. Jc: This is true, and today I came to the decision that I don't have any trouble finding work. I just have trouble finding money for my work. So I've decided to give up on money.

Re: [MD] still going?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Adrie Kintziger wrote: > i'm still extremely pissed that an environment was created here to > make mr Mc Watt to leaveshame really what a disgrace that was. > I'm guessing, Adrie, that you think I am largely to blame for that one -

Re: [MD] still going?

Heya Dan, >> I'm with you, dave. I don't think you can compare terms in differing >> metaphysical contexts, quite so glibly. Not without a lot of hemming and >> hawing and opening up your baggage for inspection. > > Dan: > But isn't that the fun? Examining that baggage someone's left open? >

Re: [MD] still going?

> > dmb says: > > DiSanto thinks there "is a genuine parallel" between the yin-yang polarity > and the subject-object polarity but I'm not so sure. I'm with you, dave. I don't think you can compare terms in differing metaphysical contexts, quite so glibly. Not without a lot of hemming and

Re: [MD] Two Minds

Austin, On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Austin Fatheree wrote: > > > I think that both the social and intellectual levels emerged out of the > biological level. The intellectual did emerge after the social and still > holds moral authority over it and still has

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, Sorry for the long delay in reply, Oct. is always such a busy month and this year it's bled into November. But the rains have come, at last. On 9/27/15, Dan Glover <daneglo...@gmail.com> wrote: > John, > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:31 PM, John Carl <ridgecoy..

Re: [MD] Two Minds

Austin, Big storm coming next week to Northern California, which means I'll have time to go into this with you more fully then. Right now, I've got a house to finish roofing but let me just say I agree with your point about the relationship between social and intellectual patterning needing a

Re: [MD] Moq_Discuss Digest, Vol 119, Issue 6

Austin, Originally I'd hoped the lilasquad would explore the more romantic side of the MOQ and thus allow the MD to be the analytic side, but that hasn't happened. In fact, both lists are pretty quiet these days, at least in terms of the sharings of diverse persons. Lilasquad has devolved to

Re: [MD] Living MOQ practically

Welcome Albert, Living a good life isn't as easy as a 1-2-3 recipe but perhaps we could help if you wouldn't mind asking questions in a simple dialogue format. And rather than posting the questions personally, ask them on the list and let the general audience come up with the answers. I too

Re: [MD] Porn

think is a personal matter. I am more into how it can be used in a > constructive direction as a motivator for social betterness. > > J-A > > >> 24 sep. 2015 kl. 19:34 skrev John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com>: >> >> J-A, >> >> Becaus

Re: [MD] Porn

J-A, Because talking about the un-talked about is an important task to take on, sometimes? On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 8:18 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson <janander...@telia.com > wrote: > Hi John > > > > 23 sep. 2015 kl. 00:09 skrev John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com>: &

[MD] Porn

I watched (or rather, listened to) a TED talk yesterday, that really freaked me out. It was a guy talking about the effects of porn, upon the brain. Especially upon the pre-frontal cortex - the thinkiest part. damn. It all makes sense now. How can people not see the vacuousness of their lives

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Dan Glover wrote: > John, > > Dan: > So old angry white dudes outnumber everyone else in Texas and Montana? > That's a pretty bold statement. Care to back it up with statistics? > > Jc: No, just it's just my personal experience.

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, Of course I have no idea what you really imagine, I only go by what you write. You said, "Luckily, they are in the minority". I said, I think they are more significant than you imagine. The "you" I was addressing was the one before me in the dialogue. It's important to keep that straight,

Re: [MD] What's Personalism?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:44 PM, John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> wrote: > Auxier's Time Will and Purpose: > > --the idea of "person" comes into James' thought and vocabulary as an > existential modality which may be further qualified by particular views, > but t

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

backlash is exactly what it is, Dan. Dan: Exactly. And when you see the folks who are rushing to defend Davis and to trumpet Trump, you can begin to understand the huge divides between so-called red and blue states. Maybe it's a backlash against the intellectualism of President Obama... these

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dan Glover wrote: > Dan: > I'd say Trump appeals to a certain demographic in the United States, > namely old, white, angry males. Luckily, those fanatics are in the > minority. > Jc: They're not a minority in Texas or Montana. I

Re: [MD] What's Personalism?

Exactly, Dave. Nothing is more enlightening than the perceptive arguments of your dialogic opponent. Use me, I'm here. John On 9/8/15, david wrote: > Leaving aside the many insults, your over-reactionary response was actually > pretty useful. Thanks, John. > > > >>

Re: [MD] What's Personalism?

How does it (thought) go on? We notice immediately five important characteristics - 1. Every thought tends to be part of a PERSONAL consciousness. 2. Within each personal consciousness thought is allways changing. 3. Within each personal conscousness thought is sensibly continuous. 4. It

Re: [MD] What's Personalism?

thinkers of old, who have more relevance than the sobriquet "stuffed-shirts" bequeaths. John On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 1:13 PM, John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> wrote: > How does it (thought) go on? We notice immediately five important > characteristics - > > 1. Every t

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Happy Labor Day, Dan, On 9/6/15, Dan Glover wrote: > Dan: > Or with large swaths of the United States. Donald Trump for President? Jc: He reminds me of two other politicians, both hugely successful - Reagan and Putin. Reagan was laughed at by the intellectuals and his

Re: [MD] What's Personalism?

Thanks for asking, Dave It helps to segue into a fascinating topic of discussion. William James, Characterizing his philosophy as a whole, in the 1903-04 course "A Pluralistic Description of the World," in the --The Works of William James: manuscript Lectures--, ed. Ignas Skrupskelis (Cambridge:

Re: [MD] Plumbers ass

gt; > That's col! > > I like it > > Ron > >> On Sep 5, 2015, at 8:17 PM, John Carl <ridgecoy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I've always had a skinny ass >> But I got tired of pulling my pants, years back, so >> I started wearing overalls >

Re: [MD] Plumbers ass

I've always had a skinny ass But I got tired of pulling my pants, years back, so I started wearing overalls Most of the year, overalls are to warm for Cali so I cut 'em off. It's a definitely a hobo look, stringy, baggy, overall cut-offs, but I've got a loop for my hammer and a slot for my

[MD] The Cloud

*http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-sloterdijk-man-machine-interview_55e37927e4b0aec9f3539a06 * *Kurzweil argues that expanding our minds into the cloud and vice versa will create more

Re: [MD] Fwd: ACLA 2016: "Poetry as Practice, Practice as Poetry"

Arlo, On 9/4/15, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR wrote: > [John] > Second, poetry is different from painting, music and sculpting in that it > requires a higher-order brain to comprehend. > > [Arlo] > First, are you suggesting that "painting, music and sculpting" does not > require a

Re: [MD] Fwd: ACLA 2016: "Poetry as Practice, Practice as Poetry"

Arlo, On 9/3/15, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR wrote: > [John] > Well thanks, I guess. Altho "poetry' is a category fraught with opportunity > for misinterpretation... > > [Arlo] > How is this 'criticism' any different than painting? Or music? Or sculpting? > Jc: First, that

Re: [MD] Fwd: ACLA 2016: "Poetry as Practice, Practice as Poetry"

Hi Arlo, On 9/2/15, ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR wrote: > Hi All, > > A call for abstracts under the category "Poetry as Practice, Practice as > Poetry" came through the Foucault mailing list for the American Comparative > Literature Association's Annual Meeting, 17-20 March, 2016,

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, Before I dive into the gist of our evolving dialogue, I'd like to recall the nature of the subject of our thread - what this clash of civilizations is really about. In a nutshell, the secular open-mindedness of Western Democracy has left it incapable of dealing with radical fundamentalism's

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Heya Dan. On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Good Morning, Dan. Evening, John. Jc: Well, no. Well, perhaps. We need to focus our individual attention on the meaning of Pirsig's work and words and that takes the form of assimilating his

[MD] The Wise and the Foolish

The following is a parable of DQ and SQ. It also has somewhat to do with the difference between messiahs and degenerates. I will expound upon it, after I tell it. From Wiki KJ Bible, Matt. 25 1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth

Re: [MD] Zen

andre/dmb, On 8/9/15, Andre Broersen andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote: John: I choose to believe that we live in a dualistic world Andre: What a pity and travesty of reality. Jc: You must be speaking personally, then. I mentioned no ultimate judgement. I simply stated my personal choice.

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Good Morning, Dan. On 8/9/15, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Jc: Meaning is found in experience rather than abstractions from experience. The MoQ is an abstraction from experience and should not be confused with the Quality it talks about. Dan: It appears to me that your first

Re: [MD] Zen

an interesting experience, care is important, we need a lot more of it, for a better quality planet. All the best David M On 28 Jul 2015 03:15, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: from your link: What is great faith? Great faith means that at all times you keep the mind which

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Hey Dan, Jc: As RMP pointedly says: How can you tell the degenerates from the messiahs? I think that question illustrates the point that not ALL social deviation ends you up in an asylum. Sometimes you end up founding a religion or writing a best-seller. Dan: In which case

Re: [MD] Fritz Bob

, collected Classical side. thanks for sharing. You've always got the best tales of women, Michael. John MRB On 7/25/2015 9:46 PM, John Carl wrote: ooh Michael... I think not. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael R. Brown m...@fuguewriter.com wrote: Camille Paglia, Nietzsche's latter

Re: [MD] Fritz Bob

Classical side. MRB On 7/25/2015 9:46 PM, John Carl wrote: ooh Michael... I think not. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael R. Brown m...@fuguewriter.com wrote: Camille Paglia, Nietzsche's latter-day heir, would be interesting to map onto RMP and vice versa. I think they may

Re: [MD] Zen

from your link: What is great faith? Great faith means that at all times you keep the mind which decided to practice, no matter what. It is like a hen sitting on her eggs. She sits on them constantly, caring for them and giving them warmth, so that they will hatch. If she becomes careless or

[MD] Myron's post

Philosophy is, at least a sort of club that, when you join, you hear things from others that awaken your own heart. I met a fellow member of the club, Myron Jackson, whom I hosted while he was attending the Royce conference, back in his days as a grad student from Carbondale . We're FB friends

Re: [MD] Fritz Bob

ooh Michael... I think not. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Michael R. Brown m...@fuguewriter.com wrote: Camille Paglia, Nietzsche's latter-day heir, would be interesting to map onto RMP and vice versa. I think they may converge. MRB Paglia has said that she is willing to have her

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Hi Dan, Jc: there is a logic to the fact that the only way to intellectually resist social pressure is individually. If you just prefer the beliefs of one group as opposed to another, you're taking sides in a social conflict but you're not really thinking for yourself and the

Re: [MD] Quality and Information

Horse, Is there any way in which the term information can be distinguished from experience? Or, for that matter, conceptualized? John On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Horse [?cs=whv=bto=ho...@darkstar.uk.net]ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote: Hi All Just as a matter of interest has anyone

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Arlo, I like your rocket booster analogy. It reminds me of one I'd shared before, on this list only in that one, it was a rocket launch pad. In other words, they can't even get off the ground a little bit. And maybe there is something to the analogy because while it takes a whole support team

Re: [MD] An ontology with qualities

I dunno, DM. Don't all ontologies have qualities? That seems obvious. But an ontology OF quality, I do find interesting. That's why I appreciate the MoQ. As for Heil's postivite ontology, I find it lacking. For Heil, properties are powers (or dispositions). Properties are distinguished by

[MD] Grexit and Footyballs

A fun and interesting piece on the way philosophy impacts culture and policy http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/04/a-hilarious-monty-python-sketch-explains-why-greece-is-in-a-huge-crisis/ Walter Eucken (1891-1950), an opponent of the Nazis and an economist who has been

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Arlo, [Arlo] Social conflict can emerge outside of intellectual resistance, social value is not simply 'thoughtless conformity'. And, rather than 'thinking for yourself' (which is cliche but philosophically misleading) I'd say 'participating in intellectual discourses'. Intellectuality, and

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan: I know there is a line in Lila about living beings reacting to Dynamic Quality, but that doesn't translate into the individual. Jc: I may be confused. It just stuck in my head somehow as orthodoxy. Dan: I don't think so but it's something to consider. Jc: there is a logic

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan, My two remaining girls are home for the summer. My idyllic days of sipping coffee at the computer in the morning are at an end. I grab what time I can... Jc: No. But maybe you could :) I think it was a comment in Lila's Child. Too bad Platt's gone. He always used to chime in with

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Hope you feel better soon, Ron. Denying climate change is simply idiotic. How much more directly experiential can you get, than the weather? But the fact that there is a large body of opposition to the view that reducing carbon ought to be our goal, I think is perfectly fine. After all, a

Re: [MD] Dissertation re/Pirisig and Postmodernity

This is the heart of the matter. This is what Bagginni needs to read and understand and this is what Royce was trying to tell James. Concluding, it can be said that the postmodern moral impasse is foremost a theoretical impasse and not a practical one. Judgments are still passed and moral

[MD] The Reifying of the Absolute

Happy Father's Day weekend, to all dads. We accomplish so much, with such small (and pleasurable) effort. 'The Absolute' means the same as 'Dynamic Quality' and the 'nothingness' of Buddhism, but its a poor term because of its connotations. To me it connotes something cold, dead, empty of

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

involved individuals willing to be treated as a laughing stock. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: On Jun 15, 2015, at 2:43 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: If you're an intelligent person, that's just life - dealing with asshole prankster

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Dan! the busy man. On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: John, Jc: The way Pirsig said it was, I believe, that individuals react to DQ where committees, don't. Dan: That could be but I don't recall him saying that. Could you provide a quote? Jc:

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Ron, On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: John, I'm not sure how logical systems fit Into the comment. All I was trying to playfully point out is that by virtue of considering ALL ideas equally and sifting through them with a critical eye, you are going to

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

dmb, On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 9:06 AM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: John Carl said to dmb: Is it pragmatic to mythologize an absolute? ...Let's divide this question up into two different aspects - the social vs. the intellectual/individual. Now at the individual/intellectual level, I

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Ron, Without getting into what I meant before, let's just riff off what you replied, because it lines up with what I've been reading lately about Absolute Pragmatism... On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: Ron: Does that mean the square root of 144 equals

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Hey Dan, On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, Dan: If you want to break up the question into two parts, great. Let's consider it from the social vs intellectual levels. But to conflate the individual with the intellect is a mistake, at least

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

dmb, On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 7:48 PM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Is it pragmatic to mythologize an absolute? No, certainly not. Jc: Let's divide this question up into two different aspects - the social vs. the intellectual/individual. Now at the individual/intellectual level, I

Re: [MD] Teaching ZMM

Matt, It's good to hear from you and good to hear you are teaching quality. :) On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote: So, what I'm asking is this: (1) Any suggestions for new questions that balance story elements with abstract elements? (2)

[MD] the mass cultivation of authority

it is important to remember that some of Rorty’s views are more outrageous than others—but none are less. The more outrageous view is that the structure of authority and responsibility that constitutes objectivity is actually incoherent. When we think from a pragmatist point of view about what it

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

Nikolas, You state: So science, unlike dogma, is capable of changing with the Dynamic flow of the Universe - just as we are capable of evolving, and thus there is an Absolute and a Relative element of Truth I reply: The question isn't whether there is any absolute truth, the question is

Re: [MD] Julian Baggini: This is what the clash of civilisations is really about

it. That is what I mean by the Absolute. I think in MoQ terms, that would be SQ? A whole 'nother thread... JC On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:30 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: Nikolas, You state: So science, unlike dogma, is capable of changing with the Dynamic flow of the Universe - just as we

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