Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-10 Thread MarshaV
dmb, Regarding illusion, yes, illusory in the sense of having independent or absolute existence. I have explained this many times, and yes, I'm sticking to it. Marsha On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:43 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: What's striking about DT's bizarre

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-10 Thread MarshaV
dmb, Marsha: When you wrote to Dave Thomas Way to pick sides, Dave. ..., that's reifying 'sides' as having independent existence from your monkey mind. Marsha On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:43 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: [dmb] What's striking about DT's bizarre mockery is

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-10 Thread MarshaV
Marsha: Be it the case, dmb, that you want to accuse me of reifying your monkey mind, I shall remind you that I hold all static patterns of value (stuff in the encyclopedia) as hypothetical (supposed but not necessarily real or true). Static value can still be ranked, of course, like your

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread David Thomas
On 9/7/13 12:56 PM, David Buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: David Thomas said: ...Some time ago, when I first read this book [Jonathan Haidt¹s, ³The Righteous Mind, Why Good People and Divided by Politics and Religion], in an exchange with DMB I recommended he read it because I

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Dave] I come upon you standing over a child beating her unmercifully with a club. My moral intuition compels me to act to stop you. When I do, you turn the club towards me and shout, You fucking bum I'm an intellectual, you have no moral authority to interfere with me unless you can mount an

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi David B and all, The structure of metaphysics DQ/SQ differs from a mathematical structure of logic. Mathematical structure does not support indefinable reality it only eliminates it. In mathematics DQ/SQ is a nonentity. Metaphysics has a different approach to logic from physics. Evolution

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
dmb asked David Thomas: I'm familiar with Haidt, although I ... don't see any reason why it poses a challenge to Pirsig's work. It's been a while but I remember thinking that his explanations for the differences between conservatives and liberals pretty well supports what Pirsig says,

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread David Thomas
On 9/9/13 1:17 PM, ARLO J BENSINGER ajb...@psu.edu wrote: [Arlo] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies. Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
dmb says: ... I was especially struck by the author's description of the epistemic virtues and values that promote the pursuit of knowledge. Like Pirsig, I think, he doesn't insist on any essential feature but promotes a whole batch of epistemic virtues and values. The article's list looks

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR
[Arlo previously] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies. Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the MoQ never happens in reality. [Arlo] ?? Wow.

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread X Acto
[Arlo previously] Marsha is a 'child' in your analogy? [Dave] Oops, that's right within the static levels of MoQ all knowledge, all words, all communications are only analogies.  Child,child abuser are only analogies therefore child abuse under the MoQ never happens in reality. [Arlo] ??

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-09 Thread david buchanan
What's striking about DT's bizarre mockery is that it actually mocks Marsha's anti-intellectual nihilism but does not touch the MOQ. Marsha likes to paint all static knowledge as hypothetical, as illusions, as reifications and falsifications, as wispy unrealities - but that's exactly what my

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-08 Thread X Acto
dmb asked:    Can a psychopath be a good philosopher? David Thomas replied(Sarcasm snipped): As you can see from this little snippet would have been an arduous task to apply this theory to all of ZaMM and Lila. Probably it would be easier to take the fully texts and mark the appropriate

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread david buchanan
dmb asked:Can a psychopath be a good philosopher? David Thomas replied: Excellent question! How open of you! ...OK let's take a quick look. If we divorce the philosophical ramblings from the actions and behavior of character Phaedrus in the two books and check them against your

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers? Offlist.

2013-09-07 Thread MarshaV
Dave, My comment was from a sudden realization that dmb had probably been subjected to such treatment himself. Poorly stated, though it might have been, it represented a sudden sadness. Unskillful? Quite possibly, but it was not meant to be cruel.I am writing offlist because I've

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread david buchanan
David Thomas said: ...Some time ago, when I first read this book [Jonathan Haidt¹s, ³The Righteous Mind, Why Good People and Divided by Politics and Religion], in an exchange with DMB I recommended he read it because I thought it posed serious scientific challenge to Pirsig¹s MoQ theory. I

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi DMB and All, How can I describe a feeling for logic? What I learned at my mother's knee. Metaphysics do not have a base in logic since metaphysics create logical reality. Defective metaphysics accept an illogical base in describing reality e.g., SOM. Metaphysics accept a perception of

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread david buchanan
Joe said to DMB and All: How can I describe a feeling for logic? What I learned at my mother's knee. Metaphysics do not have a base in logic since metaphysics create logical reality. Defective metaphysics accept an illogical base in describing reality e.g., SOM. Metaphysics accept a

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread X Acto
dmb said: I think it's an uncanny description of Marsha's attitude, don't you? DT replied: Honestly? I think trying to evaluate a serious biological condition on the basis of email list posts by even by someone trained and certified to practice psychology or psychiatry would be irresponsible.

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-07 Thread MarshaV
dmb, So now rather than evaluate post modern ideas, you're going to personalize them by reifying me [Marsha] into a post-modernist. For me the “self” is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and impermanent static patterns: inorganic patterns, biological patterns, social

[MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-06 Thread david buchanan
This post is dedicated to my dear friend Marsha. Can a psychopath be a good philosopher? There is a strong analogy here with postmodernism. Just as psychopaths lack moral virtues and values and do not want them, postmodernists lack epistemic virtues and values and do not want them. There is

Re: [MD] Psychopathic Philosophers?

2013-09-06 Thread MarshaV
dmb, I shudder to think where you learned such tactics. Marsha On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:15 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: This post is dedicated to my dear friend Marsha. Can a psychopath be a good philosopher? There is a strong analogy here with postmodernism.