vide.
Also, I think that any means that help us leave language behind to see "what is
Good", here and now, for Me, should be widely taught, because unhappiness is
never caused by the world around you, only by your opinion about the world
itself.
Any comments whatsoever? :)
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I think that the way you make room
for the truth is to destroy falsehoods. And in this case we are not
thinking of a scientific truth, Peirce's long-run end of enquiry. A
metaphysical statement cannot approximate to the truth in the way that a
count of heads can be more or less ac
ecific kind of unhappiness,
although it seems that eastern religions/philosophies (as well as several
western ones) think that this is the *only* kind of unhappiness that really
exists. Being unhappy because you can't speak MOQ all the time is a
delusion. There's no you separated from talking about
ut
I hope not to be expanding too much this thread's collection of topics), the DQ
vision has a counterpart in the notion of a "global religion" as surfaces in some
New Ageist (but with a central concept of quality: I would not say that it would
have value for everyone to believe in Atlantis, the Belt of Orion and all that).
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perceived reality (with value as a pivot) vs categorized, conceptualized,
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terested in discussing
them?)
(I wonder if hermeneutics have to do with that, but I don't want to introduce MH
here if you all hate him, I can't do without philosophers anyway and stick to
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Hi Marco (and all)
ANDREA (previously):
I use "Quality" meaning DQ, not static quality. "Perceiving Quality" means
the immediate experience of value:
but I would like to know if you believe this:
SQ) "Perceiving" Quality really means perceiving static quality. One
cannot directly experience
from that point of view, of course), I may have misunderstood
something here and there or possibly I may have misunderstood where is that
point of view located at all. It seems that your msg talks to my parafovea much
more than it does to my fovea :-)
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he analogy too far
(again, unless we agree that the jabberwocky exists). At
the very least, no one ever experienced an illegal apple breaking the law of
gravitation.
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decimal notation.
My humble opinion.
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Hi Jon Lynch,
I join elephant in apologising and welcoming you, if a bit late... it seems you
dropped in while everybody was very busy in one of the two main things going on
- or both, in my case.
Just like you, and more than a few others, when I read ZAMM it was much of a
revelation for me. I
to see it. Which one?
I hope this is not just adding noise to the ongoing discussion, but I can see
something that is in resonance with my general interests (absolutes and progress to
name just a couple), so I couldn't help.
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aphor (completly overlooked by other postings).
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Hi elephant, all
ANDREA WRITES:
from merriam-webster (online):
continuous: marked by uninterrupted extension in space, time, or sequence.
discrete: noncontinuous
I was not saying that the discrete/continuous distinction is metaphorical in
se, just that applying continuous to
ble, in your own
opinion, what the true answer would be if we could phrase them. Surely some
contradictions have more value than others, don't you think so?)
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dox. Be sure that the koan is a koan, a puzzle with a point,
and not just a pile of gibberish wasting your time.
If someone talks self-contradictory gibberish at you, and the up shot of
this gibberish is that you are led (mysteriously) to believe the train is at
six, while in fact it left the stat
- is that Humpty Dumpty?
I also note (for his sake) that you mistakenly attributed some of my last paragraphs
to Marco.
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Hi Elephant, if you're not too tired of this... Here's the points:
ELEPHANT:
A priorines
Elephant,
Good. Your msg was like a koan to me. I stil do not follow your logics but as I was
squeezing my brain I managed to convince myself that DQ is continuous by definition,
thus not metaphorically, at least if you define continuous as "non-discrete", which
is fine for me.
I also remember
to be disappointed.
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my reply to Bard was meant to read like.
Ciao a tutti :)
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, intrinsically valueless activity of collecting resources in order to do
something good in the future.
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for the mystics, I guess. Side notes have the bad attitude of growing to fill
up threads, but I think now we return this thread to Thracian Bard; that is, give up
or move elsewhere :)
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in my body with my past is exactly me, isn't He).
Just a thought.
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Marty Jorgensen wrote:
Is this a result of pursuing dynamic quality, a by-product of the excessive
lifestyles allowed within the music/entertainment culture, a product of
personal psychological issues or a combination of all these factors? It
seems that many of the very creative among us
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David, Rasheed, Joel:
thank you for your great posts. Very much in RMP's spirit, too. So refreshing
for this forum, too.
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There was a message going round the net some time ago, stating, amongst other
things:
a) If you condense all the world's population to 100 people, 6 people would own
59% of the world's resources and they would all be from USA; 70 would be
analphabet; 50 would be starving.
b) If you have enough
Hi Jon
Jon says: When anarchists
are directly questioned about what the substitue for Capitalism should
be, they become evasive [...] because most of them think Socialism is the
ultimate solution. [...] When presented with the fact of Socialism's worldwide
failures, in particular the former
Mangiola Nunzio arivia.kom wrote:
I don't think Pirsig mentioned anything on the death penalty or
any form of incarceration. (Besides that of being declared insane)
Yes, he did. In Lila:
The strongest moral argument against capital punishment is that it weakens
society's dynamic capacity for
Hi Rog,
sorry if I took so long to reply, I've been away a couple of days. I realize the
discussion has gone some way from this original message I'm replying to, and I
probably won't add much to what's been said, but since Rog's message included an
explicit request for a reply, I'll comply. Btw,
(no less). It
is my temporary overall as I wait for the times to be mature to use overall
including at *least* all animal kingdom. :)
Thanks for the discussion, anyway... I'll be happy to read any reply, if we're not
wasting Quality bandwidth.
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then :) I look forward to following the discussion further
(even if I hardly ever get a chance to submit something considered)
when I get back from my holiday in a week's time. Cheers!Sam
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Hi David,
thanks for the caveat.
Personally, I am not nearly supportive of the privatisation programme of the new
italian government (nor am I of the new government itself). Unfortunately, it
seems that the trend towards privatisation in Italy was anyway beyond the point
of no return, i.e., it
than to the better in any other sense?
Thus, are all evolutions in the static levels *just* about survival?
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Side note on the quiz, oddly enough, to score 100% Personal Self-Government one would
have to answer yes to repeal drugs. That has to be a bug...
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not necessarily in that camp, just arguing).
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for us to fight the super-race and destroy it?
Just guessing. Wish I had more time these days.
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it advance. You can still have a genius
freely speaking very intelligent things in a desolate region of Alaska while an
idiot is selling low quality cosmetics on satellite TV.
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Hi Rog, Platt, Marco, and all;
I agree with Rog (and Wilber):
Wilber [...] remarks in several places on the internet that he has come to the
conclusion that everybody is right. ... Our models are limited in scope or
perspective [...] One potential path to knowledge is not to reject what we
dont mean anything by this, believe me, but is Andrea a boy or a girl?
I always thought Andrea was a girl's name, yet everyone refers to them as
'him.' not that it makes a difference or anything, im just wondering.
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Hi Jonathan and all,
I've spent some time wondering which was the most proper thread for what I have to
say... anyway, Jonathan's reference to man is the measure of all things and to
the concept of a living being seem to provide the best basis for my thoughts.
IMO, there's at least one thing in
N. Glen Dickey wrote:
To my ear it sure sounds like you don't think the Nigerians don't bear much
resonsibility for themselves and from my point of view that opinion is
rascist. Why should I hold the Nigerians to less of a standard than I hold
myself and my own countrymen? They don't seem
killer blade wrote:
Now I don't support the actions of the likes of Timonty McVeigh but it is clear
that he should not have been executed, because he was a SOURCE OF THOUGHT.
and David Scarlett wrote:
What if it's not revenge, but rather the most effective method of preventing a
person from
Hi Platt,
What I meant is that I regard nothing as more worthy than human life,
and this for the many reasons explained elsewhere. I will never feel
comfortable with the idea that some men are entitled to decide of
another man's life. On the other hand, if human life is so important, in
line of
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Platt wrote:
By the way, humanitarians dedicated to eliminate suffering should note the
following passage:
If you eliminate suffering from this world you eliminate life. There's no
evolution. Those species that don't suffer don't survive. Suffering is the
negative face of Quality that
the whole process. (Lila, Chap. 29)
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