hi Everyone:
I'm a fairly new subscriber and was wondering if I might get a bit of advice
- Because I don't check my email everyday there are many times when the
postings are quite abundant and intimidating. How do you sort them (slips,
perhaps?) in chronological order? As I have never been
I appreciate your reply...maybe this takes some getting used to...it seems to
me like some of the members are more concerned with impressing us with their
intellect as opposed to concise, constructive dialogue.
Thanks,
Clarke
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Hi:
Was just "lurking" about and wondering if the idea of a Conference was still
viable. I hadn't been keeping up with recent posts but would be interested
in knowing if this is still a consideration, oui?
Clarke
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Does anyone know if Pirsig is willing to supply his fans with an autographed
photo? The only other autographed photo I have is of Alice Cooper and it
cost me a hundred bucks. And I even hold Pirsig a notch or two higher in
esteem. Would it help if my request came from the "Make A Wish"
Hume???!!! It was Hume's "common sense and reason" that manifested
itself(among a few other British Rationalists) in that great institution
known as Communism...now THAT was a real "value" system!
Clarke
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Hey JoVo:
How 'bout "elfie"? It's perhaps an eponymous stretch, but cute and
memorable. Kind of like "quark".
Clarke
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Hey Guys:
Please don't run Struan off because this is actually kind of enjoyable. Maybe
he is a bit of an irritant at times but my teachers used to tell me the same
thing. And the guy is really pretty smart, IMHO. By the way, how do you
pronounce "Struan"? I'm just a poor white-trash Suth'na
PPL,
You inquired as to why an individual would be rude, mean-spirited, etc...I'm
not a psychologist but have read Freud and Jung and Fromm and my girlfriend's
a PhD in psych(and not bad-looking either!) This kind of anti-social
behavior is symptomatic of a real or perceived "shortcoming" in
Struan,
Were you aroused by the image?
Clarke
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Kev:
I've read enough to know that there are enough similarities with Heidegger's
"being", Pascal's "wager", and Keirkegaard's "will to be a Christian" to
believe that your idol who embraced the Nazi regime certainly pilfered a bit
here and there.
And who can deny the coalescence of
Kev:
I was not discounting Heidegger's philosophy because of his Nazi
sympathizing, I mention it merely for the sake of "tweaking". But while most
of the great "thinkers" ran from the Third Reich, a la Freud, or danced
around it for the sake of self-preservation, a la Jung, or were wrongfully
Kev:
I said "coalescence" of thought re: Neitzsche's discovery of Schopenhauer.
N. found a dusty copy of S. and practically turned cartwheels over the
revelatory tome. He was attracted to the clarity of a "God-less" philosophy
and ran with that theme...he turned on Schopenhauer after reading
...um...how 'bout "I am aware, therefore I value" or "I am aware of a great
value, therefore I'm heading to the store"
Clarke
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My "I am aware..." syllogism was in response to Jonathan's Cartesian
allusion...and then I remembered that the cogito is not even a syllogism...it
was more the statement of a process...and for further fun, I once read that
Descartes never even made that statement, it was actually an
Seems like any transformation would be a plus for this squirrel...oops,
sorry...
Clarke
ZAMM was a required text for one of my Poli Sci classes at the University of
New Orleans in 1976. I didn't consider at the time to find out how it became
so. It may have been a particular quirk of the Professor.
Clarke
Hey Folks:
It's somewhat of a colloquialism to refer to a male/female non-sexual
relationship as "Platonic". My incredible intellect leads me to believe that
this may have something to do with Plato. What little I've read of Plato has
never touched upon this derivative. In fact it seems as if
Hey All You Creative Geniuses:
Julian Jaynes in "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the
Bicameral Mind" (the snazziest of titles) surmises that music, poetry, et al.
that seems to dynamically appear from some other "source" is (paraphrasing)
merely a temporary conflict between
Diana:
Please send photo,
Clarke
Hello Evolve:
Thanks for such an excellent, thought-provoking post. While I certainly
agree with most everything you said I can only allude to the portion of Lila
in which Pirsig warns us to avoid playing the "blame game"(my words). I
don't have my copy handy but he clearly indicates that
Hello Evolve, new members, and all:
Let me start by stating I am NOT unsubscribing, and wonder what in the world
caused that mini-exodus. I well remember the "oat" craze, and what made
Quaker's campaign doubly effective was the fact that they used the
grandfatherly character actor Wilfred(sic?)
While I have enjoyed the recent consumerism-based posts, I do think that I
need to be more aware of Bodvar's assertion (correct, IMO) that there is a
danger in drifting too far from MoQ-ista world and becoming just another
AOL-sounding chat room. But the current discussion has reminded me
I probably lean more on the pro side of capital punishment, but, like the
abortion issue, the squeamish side of these things causes me to distance
myself from a position of conviction. I'm not sure if I fully comprehend
Pirsig's anti-capital punishment stance, and the pending execution of Tim
Rasheed:
Isn't the average time served for a murder conviction something like 4 years?
Now excuse me while I go to the board and write I will not get involved in
a capital punishment discussion unless it pertains to the MoQ one hundred
times.
Clarke
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Marco:
I think if i attempt to answer your questions dircetly then we begin to
violate the standards of subject matter for this particular group. I guess
the nature of my query was related to the standing of individuals and/or
systems that commit heinous acts, and if one can slip a level in
Hey Dean:
I think Pirsig makes it pretty clear that the intellect will not reign
supreme until it respects the social level, which it appears to hold in
disdain. Anybody remember the song Cara Mia by Jay and the Americans? It
has no relevance but it happens to be playing on the radio now. I
french
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Jonathan:
Actually the Bill of Rights is quite vague when it comes to addressing the
right to bear arms. And I'm pretty certain that it doesn't even address the
individuals' right, only those associated with a militia. The actual
scope of the amendment is debatable, vis a vis the actual
To David Lind:
Are you a real person, or do you just play one on TV, stage, etc.? :) My
first inclination was to dismiss your take on Brian's query regarding the
realm of emotions because you equated this with your stage work...and all the
world is really not a stage...it's a pretend land for
Evolve:
I don't have my copy of Lila handy, but I'm pretty sure Pirsig indicated that
the peyote was a shortcut to enlightenment, necessary because of the
infringement of Western society.
Clarke
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Wim:
You are correct. When I responded to Evolve's mescaline query I didn't have
a copy of Lila, so I was remembering my particular impression of what I had
actually read. It's happened frequently that I will get a distinct
impression of something Pirsig said, and then when I try to find the
Welcome Jeremy...I know you are young, but are you into the Jefferson
Airplane? Pass it around, brother.
Clarke
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Platt said:
So, like you, I have my doubts. But this group is so intelligent on
balance that by the simple expedient of talking things through I fully
expect us to collectively arrive at a higher plane of understanding
eventually. I just hope I'm still around when it happens. (-:
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