Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-28 Thread Michael Atherton
Matthew Devany wrote: > Despite Michael Atherton's uncited research that proves "integration alone > does not reduce prejudice," it is beyond belief that "contact" does not > promote greater understanding of the cares, concerns, and values of > competing classes, races, ethnicities, genders, etc

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-28 Thread wizardmarks
j harmon wrote: > > It appears to me that the failure of the schools, in our schools is an equal > opportunity employer - the system's failing +/- half of this city's kids > regardless of income, race or demonstrated ability. <> It appears to me that the schools do tolerably well

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-28 Thread David Wilson
The sociology of racism, prejudice, and intolerance is complex, but if one wanted to draw an overly broad conclusion it would be that diversity causes conflict; just look back in history and at the world around you. What keeps conflict at bay is a respect for the rights of others, not artificial h

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-28 Thread Michael Atherton
Doug Mann wrote: > Micheal Atherton says: > > >"I don't think that anyone is suggesting that we separate special-needs > >students to their disadvantage. The suggestion is that they might be > >better served when situated in environments tailored to their needs." (snip) > > Snipe: The Road to he

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-28 Thread Gypsycurse7
In a message dated 11/27/2001 12:46:25 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Thomas Swift wrote: > > "An obvious answer is to incorporate schools that are > designed specifically to meet the needs of > disadvantaged kids. Grouping kids allows us to put

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-27 Thread Michael Atherton
"Garwood, Robin" wrote: > Did separate but equal begin to work recently without > someone letting me know? Grouping learners in different facilities based on > ability is necessarily divisive. The same friendly, polite parental > advocacy for funds to be dedicated to one's own c

RE: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-27 Thread j harmon
While attempting to keep up with this lively discussion, I have to say I've heard much more concern expressed by parents of average and gifted kids being denied opportunity and being told their children are going to just have to deal with the seemingly unchangeable limitations offered in the M

RE: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-27 Thread Garwood, Robin
Thomas Swift wrote: "An obvious answer is to incorporate schools that are designed specifically to meet the needs of disadvantaged kids. Grouping kids allows us to put resources directly where they are needed, and ju

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-27 Thread Thomas Swift
--- Diane Wiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think the reason a lot of us focus on the > disadvantaged kids is that if they don't get the > help they need, they end up taking up a huge amount of teacher time and other resources and being > disruptive and ultimately that affects the entire > cla

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-27 Thread Michael Atherton
Diane Wiley wrote: > But, sigh that > takes money and committment and our governor and legislators don't seem to > care about kids, except as they affect the bottom-line. I think they need to > hear from all of us more often about what we think the priorities should > be. Does anyone underst

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-26 Thread Diane Wiley
Walt Cygan wrote: > Is it the policy and the goal of the Minneapolis Public Schools to > maximize opportunity and achievement for those with fewer advantages > (and therefore to tell children like mine to go elsewhere) or to > maximize opportunity and achievement for all Minneapolis children? Wha

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research (long)

2001-11-25 Thread Robert Velez
I have to admit the MPS issues frighten me; they seem so complex that I am almost afraid to try and get my arms around them. I would like to look at a different angle and get feedback from the list: is the starting salary for teachers enought o draw talented new workers into the field? I work

RE: [Mpls] schools/computers/research

2001-11-24 Thread Walt Cygan
> Dennis Schapiro wrote: > > I think that in 2001 the best question to ask is "how do you maximize > opportunity for those with fewer advantages?" The only problem I have with this question is what it means for other children of Minneapolis who might be considered as somehow having "more advant

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research (long)

2001-11-24 Thread Michael Atherton
Schapiro wrote: > I think that in 2001 the best question to ask is "how do you > maximize opportunity and achievement for those with fewer advantages?" I think that in 2001 it is best to ANSWER the question, "how do maximize opportunity and achievement for those with fewer advantages?" And, your

Re: [Mpls] schools/computers/research (long)

2001-11-24 Thread wizardmarks
Schapiro wrote: > I think that in 2001 the best question to ask is "how do you > maximize opportunity and achievement for those with fewer advantages?" > Let me toss this in then: EVERY adult has the responsibility to be a cheerleader for children with whom he or she comes in contact. Ergo, when