This time Vicki you've really jumped off the boat! This idiotic notion
(I am not calling you an idiot, it is the concept that is idiotic) of
freedom loving, independent people [who] do not want to become
dependent on government for anything has taken root somehow and
otherwise intelligent people
The lens for me is not on the lies and the moral, legal and ethical
complications from the lies, but on how the lies are discovered, who
discovers them, and how they are exploited. I think that was Jordan
Kushner's original intent in raising this issue.
Omar Jamal was prosecuted likely because
I'm a freedom-loving RESIDENT of Cooper. I don't do
business in Cooper, I LIVE in Cooper. I remember
every day what my government does for me. I've never
protested paying my taxes because as Oliver Wendell
Holmes said, it's the price civilized people pay for
the benefits of civilization. But
A wonderful sermon by Jim Bernstein so early on a Sunday morning! And the
things he preached about are absolutely true, I might add. Though something
that should have been added, and probably overlooked for the sake of
brevity, is that OUR government is (or should be) totally dependent upon
As Treasurer of the Minnesota Horse Council, and an experienced trail
rider, I can give you miles-per-hour averages for horses. I assure you
they would exceed the average speed of northbound Hiawatha Ave traffic at
morning rush hour, or I-35, or inbound 394, etc.
And they could easily
On Jan 9, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Tim Bonham wrote:
Also, regarding PRT in Minneapolis. I think people have been using an
unfair example here -- thousands of people leaving Target Center at
the same time. That is obviously a situation for MASS transit, not
PERSONALIZED transit. Or better yet, a
Yesterday during the afternoon there was an amazingly wonderful event. There
was a benefit at the Cedar Cultural Center to help out a local legend and
musician Bill Hinkley pay some hospital bills. Within this crowd of aging
hippies and dancing children there was incredible support for
Here is something to keep in mind as Listmembers fantasize about transit
modes that you can't afford, at least for the next several years. A very
large number of people, even in Minneapolis, do not want to become dependent
on government - for anything. I'm included in this group... Vicky Heller
I appreciate Greg Luce's expoundment on the issue of the underlying
motivations behind Omar Jamal's prosecution. The underlying injustice is
based on a combination of the government's motivation and the lack of
significance of the alleged false statments. At to the government's
motivation,
I find it fascinating that the government wants to work hard to deport
Omar Jamal who, by all accounts, is an excellent citizen who
contributes a lot to his community. At the same time, there is a move
on the government's part to create ways for Mexican citizens to stay
here who are here
Jim Bernstein: The cold hard truth of it is that you are utterly dependent
on government for almost everything you do - you have been for a long time
and will continue to be as long as you live.
Vicky Heller: Your statement may apply to you, but I've never been on the
government payroll. Quite
Omar Jamal's case offers a stark comparison. Jamal is probably going to be
deported or go to jail for not listing Canada as having offered him asylum.
Yet Basim Sabri, (another immigrant and the person who Jamal worked the
hardest to defend Somali people from) will not be deported for bribing
http://www.swjournal.com/articles/2005/01/07/news/news02.txt
I have a question, who exactly is supporting Peter McLaughlin? I saw Don and
Avonne Fraiser on his mailing, but besides them I can't figure out really
anyone who is supporting him. Most elected officals seem to be supporting
R.T., and
ms == mike skoglund [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
ms I am really confused about this.
ms See, this is what I don't get -- he had already been granted
ms asylum by CANADA in 1991, so apparently he'd already been out
ms of danger for seven years when he made these misstatements on
PROPOSAL MAY SEEK TO BAN LEAF BLOWERS
Two South Side council members are working on an ordinance that would
ban or sharply regulate leaf blowers.
PARK BOARD CONSIDERING FOUR NEW RESTAURANTS
The Park Board has contracted with a local consulting firm to
investigate the feasibility of opening
If you don't want to go to prison for lying on an immigration form, don't
lie on an immigration form. How tough is it?
What I find interesting is that Mr. Jamal apparently has the intelligence to
know when the cops are guilty of excessive force before an investigation is
done (and knows how to
I've been waiting for a post about the Meet Up of List Folks last
Friday. As one who couldn't attend (Friday family night is not
optional at our house) I am curious to see how it all went, especially
the UK kickoff.
Liz Wielinski
Columbia Park
REMINDERS:
1. Think a member has violated the
News Flash: Highway 81 will be Bottineau Blvd. from Wirth Parkway to the
Northwestern edge of the Earth. Currently, east of Wirth, in North Mpls,
highway
81 is called West Broadway.
West Broadway; as you say that name eyes roll heavenward because of negative
associations folks have with the
Typo alert: Just one time I trust my smell/spell-checker to repeat a
correction correctly and suddenly Bottineau Blared instead of Boulevard. Oh
well!
Or we could go with our Northwest Corridor Partners; that is the seven
sister suburbs along highway 81, who will soon be calling reconstructed
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