I appreciated reading the post from Luther Krueger, who is, I believe,
an officer working for the MPD. It is easy to find discussion about our
police department both polarizing and vitriolic. That won't solve or change
anything, but only perpetuates the "us them" feelings
Regarding Cam's suggestion of possibly using some type of elected board to
oversee the Police Dept-- I don't think another level of bureaucracy will
add anything to the equation other than more cost and even less
accountability and responsibility.
Michael Hohmann
Mpls.
> -Ori
responsiveness and
accountability with the Minneapolis police, as well as move us to more community
oriented police practices.
I understand that some cities use an elected Board of Police Commissioners to
over see their police departments, much as we use the Park and Recreation,
Library and School B
It's tough for an ordinary citizen to know what needs to change
systematically when we are in the dark as to what systematic problems are
at the root of the police actions.
Regarding Civilian Review, I believe that they were originally set up to
address isolated instances of excessive
Regarding Dean Zimmermann's post on why there is no discussion about the
Park Police as part of the police brutality discussion. An alternate
explanation could be that with 35 or so sworn officers patrolling and doing
investigations for over 170 park properties, 24 hours per day/7 days a
I am a bit baffled by all of the people who have written in to this list and
alleged that that the Minneapolis Police Department is somehow out of
control. The Police Department has one of the largest oversight mechanisms
of any local governmental entity. They have their own internal
w of the POST Board (Peace Officers Standards and
Training Board), the certification body for Minnesota police and other peace
officers. Of course, it's populated primarily by police officers, including
Minneapolis Police Officer Richard Stanek - a stet rep from Maple Grove who
also sits as
ordan's lucid discussion the fact that the Council in
Minneapolis, in addition to their legislative powers, possesses heavy powers
in managing city government - more than most municipalities. To suggest the
Council has no role in the police department policy ignores both realities
and it is the Council&#
In connection with questions raised on this list about the Minneaplis
police chief position, i have been informed that his term expires at
the end of this year. There is apparently a public hearing on his
reappointment scheduled before the City Council Public Safety and
Regulatory Services
If there was a chance I would find out the things I most want to know (What
was the Hard Times business really about? What makes Sisters' Camelot a
particular target of the police? Why are so many people getting shot this
year? Why was my friend's roomate kept in jail for five da
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "... An article over the weekend detailed how the
chief investigator will be quitting because of threats from the taggers. ...
Is it a system problem in that the policy makers don't think graffiti is a
big enough problem to allocate police resource in suffici
I went to the police to get the information since I have a friend there I can
trust. I asked, 'how does the officer see the situation?' and got the answer I
wrote. In the case of Mr. Saunders, the officeres did not have the information
that Mr. Saunders' family had tried to get H
Dean Zimmermann wrote:
>
> Rich McMartin sets out a wild and provocative suggestion that perhaps we
> should just abolish the police force in Minneapolis and see hat happens.
> When I first read it I was aghast, surely he must be kidding. But, then,
> really, is the alterna
In a message dated 11/24/00 10:26:26 AM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< squad car officers are
trained to see something different than you who were also not there are
seeing.
That means that the city's population and the line officers--and hence all
ot
Is this really about the police? Or is it about the inability of our
administration to envision a community that supports both it's citizens and
it's police force? Or is it about the effect of other areas of our
administration that fail to recognize what is not working in our
communit
Rich McMartin sets out a wild and provocative suggestion that perhaps we
should just abolish the police force in Minneapolis and see hat happens.
When I first read it I was aghast, surely he must be kidding. But, then,
really, is the alternative any better?
On another subject:
Every once in a
minneapolis police
department's accounts are immediately invented stories to fit with the offices'
actions rather than the result responsible and professional investigations that
could provide actual facts that might take away the need to guess and speculate.
jordan kushner
powderhorn
Bru
A few people may be able to accept a society where the police can do
whatever they want without having to explain their actions. I think for
most of us, this just won't work. I suspect that even in acknowledged
police states there is some kind of social contract between the population
an
Perhaps we should just abolish the police force in Minneapolis and see
what happens.
--
Rich McMartin
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://tcfreenet.org/people/mcmartin/
Bryant Neighborhood of Minneapolis
Please forgive me if I have missed previous comments on this aspect of the
issue. I was just wondering if there is, or has ever been, talk of setting
up a 'state-wide' police misconduct review board. Such a board would
(hopefully) objectively deal with the most egregious charges
their terms of
office the Police Chief, Fire Chief, City Engineer, Commissioner
of Health, City Attorney, City Assessor, City Coordinator, Civil
Service Commissioner, and any officer in a department or
agency who, by statute, Charter or ordinance, is appointed by
the Mayor or City Council o
I'd like to clarify my statement since I was deemed "complacent" about police
behavior. From listening to an intelligent, articulate officer who was not at
the scene when Mr. Saunders was shot, I can say that the squad car officers are
trained to see something different than yo
Carol Becker wrote:
> >From the Minneapolis City Charter, Chapter 6, Section 1
>
> The executive committee shall, by and with the consent of a majority of all
> of the members
> of the city council, ...
Carol, or any other list members: Please help me out with some information
about just what th
>From the Minneapolis City Charter, Chapter 6, Section 1
"Section 1 Powers of Mayor over Police--Chief. The mayor shall be vested
with all the powers of said city connected with and incident to the
establishment, maintenance,
appointment, removal, discipline, control and supervisio
Ms. Collier,
I think you have definitely read the City Charter incorrectly. Chapter 3, section 4
of the City Charter provides the executive committee is responsble for the appointment
and removal of the police chief. The executive committee includes the mayor, the city
council president and
In a message dated 11/23/00 9:03:26 PM Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< yes, it is definitely about time that we start challenging our
out-of-control - or perhaps too-much-in-control police department. i
think the FIVE KILLINGS IN THE PAST YEAR is a further manifes
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to the Mayor. Please remember, the City Council members have little if any
authority over
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I'm grateful for the work done by our Minneapolis Police officers. They
do a tough job well. I've grew up in a high crime ne
yes, it is definitely about time that we start challenging our
out-of-control - or perhaps too-much-in-control police department. i
think the FIVE KILLINGS IN THE PAST YEAR is a further manifestation of a
police department that is not held accountable to our elected civilian
government
In a message dated 11/23/00 9:50:21 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Can we please have a discussion on this list about
proper police conduct and how we can hold police
accountable for deviations from proper conduct?
>>
This is a sore subject - no pun intended - considering I was
I am not sure why this issue of police parking and the
abuse of power it implies has not yet been tied into
the Mpls police dept's FIFTH KILL OF THE YEAR (though
police might argue that three of those should not
count since they were mentally handicapped).
What ever happened to tha
Regardless of what any pro police person says.
Police abuse power.
This is a very simple fact of life. I dont like it...tim connoly doesnt
like it...and for some godforsaken reason, luther krueger is paid to (or
chooses) to legitimatize it.
How about some names?
Amadou Diallo
Malice Green
A
timothy connolly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "now the question that springs
to my mind is this: is it necessary for the police to park on the sidewalk
when they are stopping for coffee?"
This is one of dozens of the "darned if we do, darned if we don't" kind of
qu
excuse me for not signing my name on the previous
post.
tim connolly
ward 7
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question that springs to my mind is this: is
it necessary for the police to park on the sidewalk
when they are stopping for coffee?
many of you no doubt will chide me for "monday morning
quarterbacking" the police or being overly pedantic.
feel free. this after all is america.
were this a
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:21:49 -0600
From: Michelle Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Follow Up on Police Murder of Unarmed Man
There was a terrific rally last night on the steps of City Hall to demand
justice for Alfred Sanders, the unarmed man murdered by Minneapolis police
las
.
As I viewed the pictures and heard statements about brutality and murder of
citizens by police, I could not help wondering about the fear that kept
politicians at bay. Was it the fear of being identified and subsequently
subjected to harassment, or abuse by (???) officials or police?? If so
is list I presented
> information that was public about the Hard Times--911 calls
> to the property. I guess now I'm the one confused as to
> who ordered anyone to suppress public information?
Jordan Kushner has pointed out that the 911 record itself is misleading.
In his June 5 post of t
Here's an update on the post below (concerning last
Friday's Critical Mass). One of the people involved
called their councilmember, Mr. Niland, to let him
know what had happened and the way the police had
treated those gathered, of course, they were not able
to talk to Niland, so left
The City Council's Public Safety and Regulatory
Services Committee (the
committee that held the public hearing about
police/city conduct at the
ISAG protests, at which so many folks testified) will
hear a proposal
by
Council member Jim Niland on a new City policy
regarding police conduc
Of interest to folks concerned about the Mpls. police conduct at protests:
forwarded message---
The City Council's Public Safety and Regulatory Services Committee (the
committee that held the public hearing about police/city conduct at the
ISAG protests, at which so many folks test
logy to help 'em out there...and not
riot trained horses which made an untrained cop fall
down go boom...
jon kelland
bryant
--- Ross Kaplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One of the actions taken last night at the Fulton
> Safety Committee meeting was to recommend donating
> $300
One of the actions taken last night at the Fulton
Safety Committee meeting was to recommend donating
$300 to the Mpls. police department to buy a digital
camera. The camera would be used to help track
graffiti. Apparently, neighborhood money was
previously used to help buy the police a radar
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