Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-15 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On 2018-06-14 12:41, fredvs wrote: > But marcov, the Big guru refuse to fix it (because so he must agree that he > was wrong). A common issue with Macro. I've knocked heads with him for many years and we never see eye-to-eye on things. Very discouraging when you want to make contributions to FPC.

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread fredvs
> I am sure Mint team has people who can read. I am sure the way Mint team treat us is **totally** scandalous. Fre;D -- Sent from: http://mseide-msegui-talk.13964.n8.nabble.com/ -- Check out the vibrant tech

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Thursday 14 June 2018 13:41:43 fredvs wrote: > > Those people does not want to read your explanation because they could note > that they are wrong. > I am sure Mint team has people who can read. The problem is that all our issues have been closed or even locked so nobody sees them anymore. One

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Thursday 14 June 2018 13:47:30 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > > > > If the windows is minimized it doesnt's work. > > > > Aha. Please report your findings here: > > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/325 > > Done! Thanks! Martin

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 17:15, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > On Wednesday 13 June 2018 16:49:53 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:34, Julio Jiménez () > > > > escribió: > > > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:09, Martin Schreiber > > > () escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread fredvs
IMHO, like you Julio, I think it is hopeless. Martin, do you remember the "soname" bug in fpc ? How many posts did we sent in fpc-mailinglist? The problem with gurus is that it is impossible for them to recognize a error or that they do not understand the issue. Did you remember that in

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Thursday 14 June 2018 11:46:53 Martin Schreiber wrote: > > Maybe you can also write that you love Mint and that Mint is the best Linux > distribution ever or the like. I know that such adulation at least on > Ubuntu is necessary in order to achieve anything. ;-) > Here the original questions

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Martin Schreiber
4e831c8805c7c1934f85d32fe70849b84576586eOn Thursday 14 June 2018 10:55:11 Martin Schreiber wrote: > He requests that I check the gtk sources in order to find out how gtk > handles this. If a third party (you) states that a test shows that gtk can > not switch from Iconic to Normal state on muffin

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Thursday 14 June 2018 10:16:43 Julio Jiménez wrote: > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 17:15, Martin Schreiber () > > escribió: > > Aha. Please report your findings here: > > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/325 > > After reading the messages, I think is not a good idea posting when

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-14 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 17:15, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > > Aha. Please report your findings here: > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/325 > After reading the messages, I think is not a good idea posting when someone said they will not change it: JosephMcc "Sorry guys. I know

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 22:43:54 fredvs wrote: > > What could be done? > > I will (try to) ask to distros-test sites (like distrowatch.com) to also > test if a distro is ICCCM compatible. > > Martin, you did add some test-programs, does one test if the system uses > ICCCM recommended methods ?

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread fredvs
> What could be done? I will (try to) ask to distros-test sites (like distrowatch.com) to also test if a distro is ICCCM compatible. Martin, you did add some test-programs, does one test if the system uses ICCCM recommended methods ? This to help those distros-test sites to do their own

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 17:33:11 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > I'm sorry but I am a bit busy right now (at work). I also have to register > at github... > > Feel free to use my results in a message at > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/325 > I can't do that, they will ban me. Another test:

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 17:15, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > If the windows is minimized it doesnt's work. > > Aha. Please report your findings here: > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/325 > > It works on Mate because marco (AFAIK the Meatcity fork for Mate) *does* > unmap >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 17:14:47 Martin Schreiber wrote: > > It works on Mate because marco (AFAIK the Meatcity fork for Mate) *does* Ups*Metacity* -- Check out the vibrant tech

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 16:49:53 Julio Jiménez wrote: > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:34, Julio Jiménez () > > escribió: > > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:09, Martin Schreiber > > () escribió: > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I dropped Cinamon time ago. No Cinnamon to test. > > I have found a

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:34, Julio Jiménez () escribió: > > > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:09, Martin Schreiber () > escribió: > >> >> >> > Sorry, I dropped Cinamon time ago. No Cinnamon to test. > > > I have found a computer to test it. LinuxMint 18.3 Cinnamon (with same Lazarus gtk2

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 16:09, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > > Can you check if Lazarus-GTK2 and/or -GTK3 can switch a window from > minimized > state to normal state programmatically on Linux Mint Cinnamon with muffin > window manager? > I have a workaround but I would more like the

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 11:03:03 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > They told you to look at GTK code to discover how Gtk devs manage it... > Can you check if Lazarus-GTK2 and/or -GTK3 can switch a window from minimized state to normal state programmatically on Linux Mint Cinnamon with muffin window

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 11:10, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > > > They told you to look at GTK code to discover how Gtk devs manage it... > > > That is another issue, the reported bugs are Z-order handling bugs which > have been fixed in the mean time in Gnome mutter: >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On 06/13/2018 11:03 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 10:55, Martin Schreiber () > escribió: > >> >> >> What could be done? >> >> >> > Well, if they refuse to change things, I think you can do little for it. > > They told you to look at GTK code to discover how Gtk devs

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 11:03, Julio Jiménez () escribió: > > > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 10:55, Martin Schreiber () > escribió: > >> >> >> What could be done? >> >> >> > I forgot to say that if you continue posting, I think, probably they'll ban you. Well, I hope no. -- Julio Jiménez

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On 06/13/2018 10:46 AM, Julio Jiménez wrote: > El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 10:42, Martin Schreiber () > escribió: > >> >> https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/326 >> https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/327 >> >> Martin >> >> > leigh123linux locked as spam and limited conversation to

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Julio Jiménez
El mié., 13 jun. 2018 a las 10:42, Martin Schreiber () escribió: > > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/326 > https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin/issues/327 > > Martin > > leigh123linux locked as spam and limited conversation to collaborators an hour ago -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Wednesday 13 June 2018 08:12:50 Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2018 13:57:56 Martin Schreiber wrote: > > You should still check if the Z-order problems from > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786363 > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786365 > > still exist

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 10 June 2018 13:57:56 Martin Schreiber wrote: > > You should still check if the Z-order problems from > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786363 > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786365 > still exist in current Mint Mate and Mint Cinnamon and submit the according >

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-13 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Tuesday 12 June 2018 21:56:48 fredvs wrote: > > Huh, may I ask you what is your favorite Linux distro? > I mainly use openSUSE (LEAP 42.3 at the moment) mostly because of historical reasons when openSUSE was an European project and because of Yast (the convenient and powerful configuration

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-12 Thread fredvs
> I becomes even more strange: It is hopeless. Sorry for bothering you with that buggy-stupid-closed-mind project. What distresses me most is that I had chosen that studid distro like the majority of Linux users. But, yes the majority is stupid. Huh, may I ask you what is your favorite Linux

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-12 Thread Martin Schreiber
On 06/12/2018 09:14 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > On Monday 11 June 2018 20:11:44 fredvs wrote: >> https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7641 >> >> Ha it is a "design decision"... >> >> Sorry, I cannot be more boring, they are too stupid. >> > Thanks, I commented to your report. > I

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-12 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Monday 11 June 2018 20:11:44 fredvs wrote: > https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7641 > > Ha it is a "design decision"... > > Sorry, I cannot be more boring, they are too stupid. > Thanks, I commented to your report. Martin

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-11 Thread fredvs
https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7641 Ha it is a "design decision"... Sorry, I cannot be more boring, they are too stupid. Fre;D -- Sent from: http://mseide-msegui-talk.13964.n8.nabble.com/ -- Check out

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-11 Thread fredvs
> If you want that MSEide+MSEgui works optimal on your distribution you must become active yourself. If I'm still active for Mint it will be to persuade people to not use it. Fre;D -- Sent from: http://mseide-msegui-talk.13964.n8.nabble.com/

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-11 Thread fredvs
Hello Martin. I do not like that pretentious and stupid JosephMcc The good news is that I will use a other Linux distro. What do you recommend? Fre;D -- Sent from: http://mseide-msegui-talk.13964.n8.nabble.com/ --

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-11 Thread Martin Schreiber
On 06/11/2018 08:40 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7636 > https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7622 > Corresponding Gnome bug reports: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/issues/185 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1096896

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs @Linux Mint users

2018-06-11 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 10 June 2018 19:02:21 fredvs wrote: > > You should still check if the Z-order problems. > > Ok, I will do asap. > > Huh, maybe 2 big fish that will correct their bugs (Mint + Fedora). > I cross my fingers. > Not very likely. ;-) https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7636

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-10 Thread fredvs
> You should still check if the Z-order problems. Ok, I will do asap. Huh, maybe 2 big fish that will correct their bugs (Mint + Fedora). I cross my fingers. Fre;D -- Sent from: http://mseide-msegui-talk.13964.n8.nabble.com/

Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Mint window manager bugs

2018-06-10 Thread Martin Schreiber
On Sunday 10 June 2018 13:31:50 fredvs wrote: > https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues/7622#issuecomment-395513360 > > Was I boring enough ? > You should still check if the Z-order problems from https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786363