MSX- PLAYer News
Hello ! See the following link for MSX-PLAYer news : http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/hispamsx/message/11680 It's in Spanish. I resume here the main facts : - There are still plans for a free version of this emulator (for distribution with free games and promote programming), but Microsoft doesn't like free emulators ... - There are plans for distribution in Europe of the commercial version by the site www.msx.org (The MSX Resource Center) - The official MSX-PLAYer site is : http://msx_player.tripod.co.jp/ where you can find interesting explanations about the interface of the emulator and the use of joystick and gamepad with this emulator (I also note that the logo of the emulator is partially written by Kay Nishi !!!) - The most recent version emulates also the Turbo-R, but it's not perfect Benoît Le Martien - http://www.marsupone.com et http://www.marsupone.com/msxvalley -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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] If you think of Marat in that way, so be it. I just wanted to state publicly ] that this view of Marat is not shared by everyone who has dealed with him. I fully agree on this. ] I think openMSX will be able to shine on its own merits, there is no need to ] speak ill of fMSX and its derivatives. Note that my mentioning of openMSX in the same message of MSX Player and fMSX was not intended to speak ill of fMSX. I fully respect fMSX. As I also respect openMSX :-) Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, the MSX Hardware list, XSA Disk images, documentation, Japanese MSX news from Ikeda and lots more. -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:30:55AM +0100, Patriek Lesparre wrote: -snip offensive rant about Marat- Please, if you have some personal grudge against Marat, keep it off-list. Please do not bother us with your resentfulness. Also note that talking behind his back, like Takamichi pointed out, is bad manners. Sean -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Sean Young wrote: Please, if you have some personal grudge against Marat, keep it off-list. Please do not bother us with your resentfulness. Also note that talking behind his back, like Takamichi pointed out, is bad manners. I'm sorry I voiced an opinion that many people have. This is a public forum, Marat is free to join and read the messages. If he cared more for MSX he would be a member already. And Takamichi is not one to speak about bad manners of talking behind people's back! He still maintains several pages where I am personally attacked, accused and ridiculed. Having a normal conversation about it seems impossible. :( (Honestly Takamichi, I just want to be friends again.) I'll shut up about Marat now. I do not want a war... Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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] generations too early. Also, do not *ever* run Marat software. Do I need ] to explain this one? ;) Why is everybody picking so much on Marat? Note that fMSX is the father of many other MSX emulators that currently exist. Even the much heralded NLMSX is derived from fMSX. Although I do appreciate all the improvements that Frits has made meanwhile. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, the MSX Hardware list, XSA Disk images, documentation, Japanese MSX news from Ikeda and lots more. -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Alex Wulms wrote, in reply to Richard Atkinson: ] generations too early. Also, do not *ever* run Marat software. Do I need ] to explain this one? ;) Why is everybody picking so much on Marat? Because he's an evil megalomaniac greedy thinks-he-knows-it-all asshole. Do I really need to explain this?! My first encounter with Marat was many many years ago when I first discovered VGB-DOS that at that time could only play a few games, and glitchy at that. Since that time, my opinion of Marat has changed from wow, this is the coolest guy alive to the one I wrote just now. For me, it has many reasons. I'm sure other people have other reasons... Note that fMSX is the father of many other MSX emulators that currently exist. Even the much heralded NLMSX is derived from fMSX. I wouldn't exactly call that a good thing. I'd call it inbreed! Although AFAIK NLMSX doesn't contain much, if any, fMSX code anymore. No, I'm very glad a new MSX emulator is being developed that will stop the senseless cloning of fMSX! *hint hint* Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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On Sunday 24 March 2002 13:07, you wrote: Alex Wulms wrote, in reply to Richard Atkinson: ] generations too early. Also, do not *ever* run Marat software. Do I need ] to explain this one? ;) Why is everybody picking so much on Marat? Because he's an evil megalomaniac greedy thinks-he-knows-it-all asshole. Do I really need to explain this?! I have a very different view of Marat. I don't think he has any more of a know-it-all attitude than the average programmer has. And why greedy? He is giving fMSX-Unix away for free, including source. The reason Windows users pay is for the effort he puts into them (creating the GUI and support). Marat never stopped anyone from creating a Windows port of fMSX, instead he even links to them. If you think of Marat in that way, so be it. I just wanted to state publicly that this view of Marat is not shared by everyone who has dealed with him. Note that fMSX is the father of many other MSX emulators that currently exist. Even the much heralded NLMSX is derived from fMSX. I wouldn't exactly call that a good thing. I'd call it inbreed! Although AFAIK NLMSX doesn't contain much, if any, fMSX code anymore. I haven't seen the NLMSX codebase. But even if it would have very little fMSX code anymore, using fMSX as a starting point has made development a lot easier than starting from scratch. fMSX is not perfect and I don't think it will ever be; there are some design limitations that will be hard to overcome. But I do have a lot of respect for it. fMSX was the first MSX emulator and it's still very much alive and kicking. No, I'm very glad a new MSX emulator is being developed that will stop the senseless cloning of fMSX! *hint hint* I think openMSX will be able to shine on its own merits, there is no need to speak ill of fMSX and its derivatives. Bye, Maarten -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Maarten ter Huurne wrote: I have a very different view of Marat. I don't think he has any more of a know-it-all attitude than the average programmer has. Do I have to repeat how FIRMLY he stated GameBoy emulation was totally impossible on MSX, even if the emulation was limited? Do I really have to say GEM runs certain GameBoy games at close to REAL GameBoy speed on turboR with good graphics and sound? And then being so damn stubborn and say GEM isn't playable! :/ I laugh at his kind! /me points to Marat and laughs And why greedy? He is giving fMSX-Unix away for free, including source. Why greedy? He's making money off of YOUR FUCKING WORK! He's making money on everybody whose ever contributed to fMSX! If that's not hypocritical and greedy, I don't know what is... The reason Windows users pay is for the effort he puts into them (creating the GUI and support). Marat never stopped anyone from creating a Windows port of fMSX, instead he even links to them. Don't make me laugh. A GUI is a one-time effort, and something created in minutes. No hard work at all! And about support, I doubt he gives paying Windows users more support than any Unix user. So why should Windows users pay for it when others get it for free? That's discrimination! Another thing: He has forbidden anyone to make a DOS version of Virtual GameBoy and removed the source. I remember other incidents of this kind as well. If you think of Marat in that way, so be it. I just wanted to state publicly that this view of Marat is not shared by everyone who has dealed with him. There are always people that look at the world through pink sunglasses :/ And hey, I'm sure Hitler had friends too! But even if it would have very little fMSX code anymore, using fMSX as a starting point has made development a lot easier than starting from scratch. I'm not saying fMSX hasn't been of help to anyone. I'm just saying Marat is an ass! I'm pretty sure he's not smart enough to have ever made it this far without all the other contributers' help. There have been incidents of people repeatedly informing Marat of errors in his emulators and offering solutions, but did he implement the changes? N... And them I'm not even talking about digital sound! How long did Marat stay in the stoneage with soundemulation using MIDI in his emulators? It cracks me up just thinking about it. Note I'm not just talking about fMSX, it's the whole spectrum of useless crap so-called emulators that Marat has put out. But I do have a lot of respect for it. fMSX was the first MSX emulator and it's still very much alive and kicking. I will agree with you that fMSX deserves respect, but that certainly is not courtesy of it's initial creator. And man... Do you actually think it's a good thing that people had to hack ROM-images up so they would work in fMSX?! The issues were known, but n why would you make an emulator better if you can make money with an inferior product :/ Ofcourse everybody should make up their own mind of how they feel (or whether they feel) about Marat themselves. I just think they should know the truth. Like I said, I started out thinking Marat was a cool guy. Over the years this feeling has changed, but I always gave him the benefit of the doubt. Until personally dealing with him that is. Because since then I'm definately one of the many people that say NO to Marat. Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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I think it will be a better choice wait for Ademir's CIEL 3++, since it will be a much better new MSX than anything ASCII is planning for us. ASCII isn't planning anything anymore for us... It's all in the hands of the MSX Association now. Greets, Bart. -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 09:08:20AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Adriano. I'm disappointed too with ASCII. If that's what they think about making new MSX, i'm out. if they don't want to write their own (and a good one, as ricardo bittencourt did) emulator, they could have used at least MESS, since it's gpl and soon will be much better than Marat's FMSX. MESS is not GPL; the license is also incompatible, since it does not allow the program to be sold. Although I think messdev would vote for GPL, much of the source code is from MAME. Nicola Salmoria (the maintainer of MAME) does not like the GPL so it is not likely to happen soon. :-( But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. Sean -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. Nishi said every emulator could use the MSX BIOS copyright free once they got the rights. Also it was stated MSX-DOS2 would become open-source. I have no reason to doubt those statements. Do you? Personally I think it's great stuff is finally happening. I know many people joined the pessimists when Nishi left ASCII, but this move turned out for the best. It also shows the dedication with which Nishi is pursuing the MSX revival. And even though the MSX Player probably won't be the best emulator, let's support it. Who knows, maybe we will see a new MSX! Let's be more positive, people! Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Hello, On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:56:34 +0100 Patriek Lesparre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in any case, it's interesting to see what will happen. If Nishi does acquire the copyrights of the BIOS and MSX-DOS, what sort of license will he release it under? Note that he could even use it prevent the BIOS being distributed other than with MSX Player; which would just be a pain to us all. To be honest I've lost trust a long time ago. Nishi said every emulator could use the MSX BIOS copyright free once they got the rights. Also it was stated MSX-DOS2 would become open-source. I have no reason to doubt those statements. Do you? I do. I had a meeting at ASCII with Ryozo Yamashita in August, and one of the many things we were talking about was MSX-DOS(2) copyrights and source code. He told me that MSX-DOS2 is owned by the company who wrote it: Madge Corporation (www.madge.co.uk), and ASCII only had (has?) distribution rights. They don't even have the source code. And the BIOS is still owned by Microsoft. Regards, -- Javi Lavandeira ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.ag0ny.com -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Javi Lavandeira wrote: MSX-DOS2 is owned by the company who wrote it: Madge Corporation (www.madge.co.uk), and ASCII only had (has?) distribution rights. They don't even have the source code. And the BIOS is still owned by Microsoft. Didn't I say once they got the rights? Please read before writing! Greetz, Patriek -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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] ] ] Reading the notice in www.msx.org, now I'm convinced that that piece of ] crap called MSX PLAYer is really the worst port of fMSX I have ever seen ] (and fMSX sucks, too). Otherwise, why would MSX Association would have ] to talk with Marat? Hi Adriano, It is indeed a very well known fact that MSX Player is a fMSX port on Intent. Though, I have heard from a reliable source that a lot of effort has gone into debugging and improving MSX Player since the beta release of last september. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, the MSX Hardware list, XSA Disk images, documentation, Japanese MSX news from Ikeda and lots more. -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Alex, It is indeed a very well known fact that MSX Player is a fMSX port on Intent. Though, I have heard from a reliable source that a lot of effort has gone into debugging and improving MSX Player since the beta release of last september. Good! That beta release was really a pain... Well, let's wait a little and, until MSX-PLAYer come to our hands, lets buy a Pentium 4 2.2GHz to run softwares in the emulator at the same speed as in our real MSXs. :) Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Diretor Executivo - AL Software http://www.alsoftware.com.br http://www.alsoftware.com.br/adrianpage -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha wrote: Good! That beta release was really a pain... Well, let's wait a little and, until MSX-PLAYer come to our hands, lets buy a Pentium 4 2.2GHz to run softwares in the emulator at the same speed as in our real MSXs. :) Hmm. Do not *ever* buy Pentium 4s. They are over-priced, over-heated, over-sized and under-performing CPUs. They are about two process generations too early. Also, do not *ever* run Marat software. Do I need to explain this one? ;) Richard -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
MSX PLAYer news
Hey guyz, It seems that something is happening again in MSX Revival land. MSX PLAYer bonanza starts at April 8th, 2002. More info on the MSX Resource Center. Greetings, Sander Zuidema http://www.msx.org http://www.benjaminb.nl -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
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Reading the notice in www.msx.org, now I'm convinced that that piece of crap called MSX PLAYer is really the worst port of fMSX I have ever seen (and fMSX sucks, too). Otherwise, why would MSX Association would have to talk with Marat? Adriano Camargo Rodrigues da Cunha ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Diretor Executivo - AL Software http://www.alsoftware.com.br http://www.alsoftware.com.br/adrianpage -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
