Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-15 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 14, 2009, at 11:32 PM, lion wrote: http://www.nagravision.com/ It should be a pay-tv card. One of the more secret cards. I don't think you can do anything with this card (except watch TV). In general, the game is to create faked pay-tv cards not try to use a real one. Yes,

Re: Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-15 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
2009/1/15 lion yjfp...@163.com: I think I know more about these problem. TA2 is 0x81, So it's Specific mode and have the ability to change mode through hot reset. But, Fi Di != Fd Dd, so even if changed to Negotiate mode, the PTS command won't be accepted still. And because TA2's bit5=0,

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-15 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 15, 2009, at 12:26 AM, Ludovic Rousseau wrote: 2009/1/15 lion yjfp...@163.com: I think I know more about these problem. TA2 is 0x81, So it's Specific mode and have the ability to change mode through hot reset. But, Fi Di != Fd Dd, so even if changed to Negotiate mode, the PTS

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-15 Thread Timothy J. Miller
Michael Bender wrote: The root cause of all this mess is because none of the smartcard manufacturers were mature enough to want to work *together* (rather than at cross-purposes) when the technology was being developed decades ago, so everyone gave lip service to the standards and went

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-15 Thread Douglas E. Engert
Lion, Within the many messages of this thread, you appear to have only one unknown smart card to test which people on the list have identified for you as appears a pay-tv card. But what are your motives: If you are you trying to learn about smartcards, buy a modern supported card or cards

Re: Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-14 Thread Ludovic Rousseau
2009/1/14 lion yjfp...@163.com: ha, I got a little more information. There are characters NAGRAVISION on one side of the cards. And there wroted Swiss Mode. But I still have no clear idea about it. http://www.nagravision.com/ It should be a pay-tv card. One of the more secret cards. I don't

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-14 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 13, 2009, at 5:30 PM, lion wrote: Thanks again for your informations. I have a last thing want to be confirmed that the commands defined in ISO7816-4 are not a standard? All commands are card dependent ? (Although sometimes different types may have the same commands set). There

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-14 Thread s.ferey
Michael Bender a écrit : [...] The root cause of all this mess is because none of the smartcard manufacturers were mature enough to want to work *together* when the technology was being developed decades ago that's unfair incorrect. ISO 7816-3 4 were defined decades ago by card

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-14 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 14, 2009, at 5:11 PM, s.ferey wrote: Michael Bender a écrit : [...] The root cause of all this mess is because none of the smartcard manufacturers were mature enough to want to work *together* when the technology was being developed decades ago that's unfair incorrect. ISO 7816-3

Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-14 Thread lion
http://www.nagravision.com/ It should be a pay-tv card. One of the more secret cards. I don't think you can do anything with this card (except watch TV). In general, the game is to create faked pay-tv cards not try to use a real one. Yes, that's right. It's used in our set-top box(STB). I

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-13 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 12, 2009, at 5:36 PM, lion wrote: Thanks a lot for your detail information. I want to find out informations on the card just in order to find out the command set of the card. I don't know the commands is ISO7816 based or card producer dependent ? eg. I find out the SELECT FILE

Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-13 Thread lion
Thanks again for your informations. I have a last thing want to be confirmed that the commands defined in ISO7816-4 are not a standard? All commands are card dependent ? (Although sometimes different types may have the same commands set). I am looking the OPENCT sourece, Thanks again! -

Re:Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-13 Thread lion
ha, I got a little more information. There are characters NAGRAVISION on one side of the cards. And there wroted Swiss Mode. But I still have no clear idea about it. --- Bob ___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com

[Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-12 Thread lion
Hi, All I am wirting a smartcard driver, the ATR is like below. ATR: TS is 3b T0 is 6c TB1 is 0 TC1 is 2 history char is : 36 61 86 38 4b 8c 13 4 62 3 59 8a Then,how can I know what's the type of my

Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-12 Thread Michael Bender
On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:43 AM, lion wrote: Hi, All I am wirting a smartcard driver, the ATR is like below. ATR: TS is 3b T0 is 6c TB1 is 0 TC1 is 2 history char is : 36 61 86 38 4b 8c 13 4 62 3 59 8a Then,how can

Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?

2009-01-12 Thread lion
Thanks a lot for your detail information. I want to find out informations on the card just in order to find out the command set of the card. I don't know the commands is ISO7816 based or card producer dependent ? eg. I find out the SELECT FILE command from ISO7816(MF file): 00 A4 02