Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread Stefan Sullivan
I'm definitely not the most mathy person on the list, but I think there's something about the complex exponentials, real transforms and the 2-point case. For all real DFTs you should get a real-valued sample at DC and Nyquist, which indeed you do get with your matrix. However, there should be some

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread Ethan Duni
You can combine consecutive DFTs. Intuitively, the basis functions are periodic on the transform length. But it won't be as efficient as having done the big FFT (as you say, the decimation in time approach interleaves the inputs, so you gotta pay the piper to unwind that). Note that this is for

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread robert bristow-johnson
Well, I dunno shit about the history also.  I just ascribed all of the radix-2 FFT to Cooley and Tukey.But I think you're mistaken about the technical claim.  If you have or can get Oppenheim and Schafer and go to the FFT chapter of whatever revision you have, and there are several

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread Ethan Fenn
I don't think that's correct -- DIF involves first doing a single stage of butterfly operations over the input, and then doing two smaller DFTs on that preprocessed data. I don't think there is any reasonable way to take two "consecutive" DFTs of the raw input data and combine them into a longer

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread robert bristow-johnson
� Ethan, that's just the difference between Decimation-in-Frequency FFT and Decimation-in-Time FFT. i guess i am not entirely certainly of the history, but i credited both the DIT and DIF FFT to Cooley and Tukey.� that might be an incorrect historical impression.

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread gm
Am 05.11.2018 um 16:17 schrieb Ethan Fenn: Of course it's possible you'll be able to come up with a clever frequency estimator using this information. I'm just saying it won't be exact in the way Cooley-Tukey is. Maybe, but not the way I laid it out. Also it seems wiser to interpolate

Re: [music-dsp] 2-point DFT Matrix for subbands Re: FFT for realtime synthesis?

2018-11-05 Thread Ethan Fenn
It's not exactly Cooley-Tukey. In Cooley-Tukey you take two _interleaved_ DFT's (that is, the DFT of the even-numbered samples and the DFT of the odd-numbered samples) and combine them into one longer DFT. But here you're talking about taking two _consecutive_ DFT's. I don't think there's any