Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-25 Thread Richard Dobson
On 25/02/2012 09:40, Andy Farnell wrote: .. On the subject of creating worlds, I've missed this conversation entirely because of a courageous attempt to degooglify my life great word! I wonder though if it should be more like degooglise, as you are changing or reducing state, rather than

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-25 Thread douglas repetto
Of course, I know I'm being didactic, creative design is great and I'm 100% in favor of doing things wrong. I just thought doing a wacky sinewave animation would have been more interesting than doing a wacky non-sinewave animation. Maybe I've just seen too many non-sines drawn by students

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-25 Thread douglas repetto
On 2/25/12 8:43 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: douglas repetto wrote Sat Feb 25 08:21:23 EST 2012: non-sinewave animation. Maybe I've just seen too many non-sines drawn by students who aren't being creative, they just don't get the difference (yet!) between two half-circles and a sinewave.

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-25 Thread Adam Puckett
I rather enjoy math and programming. That's why I read Csound opcodes in source form. On 2/25/12, Theo Verelst theo...@tiscali.nl wrote: douglas repetto douglas wrote Sat Feb 25 12:07:19 EST 2012: Sorry for wasting bandwidth! I'll be darned if I'd have to call a serious discussion a waste of

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-24 Thread Tom Wiltshire
I agree as well. Why should it have to be a sine wave? Hertz didn't invent the sine wave! A square wave has 'frequency' just as much as a sine does, and presumably 'frequency' was the point of the googledoodle. Put the odd harmonics in and get a circular waveform, it's fine by me. The

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-24 Thread douglas repetto
I assumed they were trying to suggest something about Hertz's work on electromagnetism. After all, that's what he's actually known for! On 2/24/12 4:06 PM, Tom Wiltshire wrote: I agree as well. Why should it have to be a sine wave? Hertz didn't invent the sine wave! A square wave has

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Ross Bencina
On 23/02/2012 6:22 PM, Oskari Tammelin wrote: Come on, it's a perfect visualization of their understanding of audio. +1 -- dupswapdrop -- the music-dsp mailing list and website: subscription info, FAQ, source code archive, list archive, book reviews, dsp links

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Puckett
image editing tool, for a nice antialiased display. -Message d'origine- From: Theo Verelst Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:18 PM To: music-dsp@music.columbia.edu Subject: Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine What's the challenge being met by Google with their wavy lines

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Emanuel Landeholm
NURBS should do the trick. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Didier Dambrin di...@skynet.be wrote: There's also the fact that it's not easy to draw a sinewave in existing tools out there. Those who have drawn GUIs here and had to show waveforms know what I mean, I remember I've ended up with

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Puckett
What is NURBS? On 2/23/12, Emanuel Landeholm emanuel.landeh...@gmail.com wrote: NURBS should do the trick. On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Didier Dambrin di...@skynet.be wrote: There's also the fact that it's not easy to draw a sinewave in existing tools out there. Those who have drawn

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Phil Burk
Hello Theo, On 2/23/12 5:18 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: What's the challenge being met by Google with their wavy lines? They were celebrating Heinrich Hertz' 155th birthday. It clearly isn't a graphics problem, nor a particularly good synthesis engine being promoted I'm sorry you don't like

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Adam Puckett
Phil, I don't think Theo was referring to JSyn, but to the algorithm as the synth engine that may not be the next big thing. On 2/23/12, Phil Burk philb...@mobileer.com wrote: Hello Theo, On 2/23/12 5:18 AM, Theo Verelst wrote: What's the challenge being met by Google with their wavy

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread douglas repetto
But it's Google!!! Surely they have the resources to generate a sinewave animation that features an actual sinewave if they want to. I know it's a silly thing to rant about. But the Google front page has a lot of reach (how many millions of hits a day?), and it gives me deep nerd pain to

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Didier Dambrin
d'origine- From: QuikQuak Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:15 AM To: A discussion list for music-related DSP Subject: Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine They are too busy in money making decision madness to focus on what the new guy does for the daily graphics job for minimum wage

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread QuikQuak
for music-related DSP Subject: Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine They are too busy in money making decision madness to focus on what the new guy does for the daily graphics job for minimum wage, something that goes like do a thing that's animated and looks different and cool and get it on my

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-23 Thread Nigel Redmon
Eh, I still say they weren't going for a sine wave at all. Look at their other doodles. I'm sure that their designers would have felt that a sine wave would have missed the point for them. http://www.zazzle.com/robert_schumanns_200th_birthday_tshirt-235517387819488097 On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:27

[music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread douglas repetto
This is driving me nutz: http://www.google.com And now an image search for Hertz features lots and lots of pictures of a non-sinewave! Arrg! -- ... http://artbots.org .douglas.irving http://dorkbot.org

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 2/22/12 9:20 AM, douglas repetto wrote: This is driving me nutz: http://www.google.com And now an image search for Hertz features lots and lots of pictures of a non-sinewave! Arrg! i was wondering if it was the same Hertz. i guess it is. sometimes Google's authority is dubious.

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Nigel Redmon
Apparently, the wave is made from shapes that are roughly those of the letters (and their colors) in the Google logo...annoying to us, but there is some logic behind it... On Feb 22, 2012, at 6:20 AM, douglas repetto wrote: This is driving me nutz: http://www.google.com And now an

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread douglas repetto
I was making a bit of a joke -- no time domain signal can have two different values at the same point in time. So since the Google doodle isn't a proper time domain signal, there's no correct way to synthesize it... douglas On 2/22/12 5:06 PM, Adam Puckett wrote: Why not use something

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Adam Puckett
Maybe it's a chord? On 2/22/12, douglas repetto doug...@music.columbia.edu wrote: I was making a bit of a joke -- no time domain signal can have two different values at the same point in time. So since the Google doodle isn't a proper time domain signal, there's no correct way to synthesize

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Adam Puckett
Phil, Is jSyn dependent on any other Java libraries? On 2/22/12, Phil Burk philb...@mobileer.com wrote: On 2/22/12 2:25 PM, douglas repetto wrote: I was making a bit of a joke -- no time domain signal can have two different values at the same point in time. So since the Google doodle isn't

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Phil Burk
On 2/22/12 5:29 PM, Adam Puckett wrote: Is jSyn dependent on any other Java libraries? No. JSyn works with just the standard JDK. There are no dependencies except that JSyn uses JavaSound for audio output. JavaSound is available on Windows, Mac and Linux but not on Android. There is a

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread douglas repetto
To continue this very important and not at all didactic discussion: I see some of the sections as semi-circles on either side of the middle line. So there's no actual circle data on the dividing line, but rather there's a point from the top circle and a point from the bottom circle on either

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Adam Puckett
Maybe he was deliberately going for silence, possibly further protesting SOPA/PIPA? On 2/22/12, douglas repetto doug...@music.columbia.edu wrote: To continue this very important and not at all didactic discussion: I see some of the sections as semi-circles on either side of the middle line.

Re: [music-dsp] google's non-sine

2012-02-22 Thread Oskari Tammelin
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:20:09 +0200, douglas repetto doug...@music.columbia.edu wrote: This is driving me nutz: http://www.google.com And now an image search for Hertz features lots and lots of pictures of a non-sinewave! Arrg! Come on, it's a perfect visualization of their