Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-02-08 Thread Andy Farnell
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 01:04:53 + Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I can't put a lot of time into this reply, too much else to do. But I Understood. Me too, just a few days off for hellraising and then back to the grind too. Appreciate your banter on this Richard.

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-02-07 Thread Andy Farnell
On Mon, 07 Feb 2011 02:29:29 + Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On 06/02/2011 18:53, Andy Farnell wrote: Since there is nothing to divide the line between this virtual device The DX7 is an automaton. But in principle it can be modeled by a UTM. That does not mean

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-02-07 Thread Nigel Redmon
Off the top of my head (no guarantee I'm recalling correctly--I'll leave it to others to fill in details ;-) : NED licensed Yamaha's patents for the Synclavier. Casio used a slightly different technique (phase distortion synthesis). Yamaha did sue Casio--I think maybe Yamaha eventually won or

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-02-07 Thread Richard Dobson
On 07/02/2011 20:54, Andy Farnell wrote: .. In this respect I cite the often-quoted definition of an engineer: someone who can build for two bucks what anyone can build for three. That's one pretty narrow definition of an engineer, and a little uncharitable. Sure you can get those kind of

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-02-06 Thread Andy Farnell
On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:23:52 + Richard Dobson richarddob...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: On 31/01/2011 12:53, Andy Farnell wrote: Er, they aren't, and never have been. Hey Richard, Sure they aren't allowed. But they de facto _have_ _been_ allowed, and that's why we're having this discussion.

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-31 Thread Ross Bencina
Hi Andy Andy Farnell wrote: AXIOM: Ideas should not be patentable. Period. Do I need to explain this? Sorry, you've lost me a bit here. Pehaps you do need to explain it.. see if I'm twisting your words below or if you find that I'm addressing your position (of course I don't expect you to

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-31 Thread Al Clark
I am not completely against patents per se. As far I understand things, at least in US Patent Law is that there is no formal peer review process. For the most part, the only time you see an application is after a patent is granted. At that point its largely too late. If you have a patent,

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-31 Thread Ross Bencina
Hi Andy Are you suggesting by stating the above axiom that algorithms are _simply_ ideas and that for this reason alone they shouldn't be patentable? Yes I am, you've got it. An algorithm is unsufficiently concrete to deserve a patent, it is an abstraction, a generalisation. Ok... An

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-31 Thread Gwenhwyfaer
On 31/01/2011, Ross Bencina rossb-li...@audiomulch.com wrote: Scenario: I invest 1000s of person-years devising a completely original ultra-fast zero-latency convolution algorithm. Might I humbly suggest that the life extension technology which would enable you to take thousands of person-years

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-31 Thread Richard Dobson
On 31/01/2011 12:53, Andy Farnell wrote: .. AXIOM: Ideas should not be patentable. Period. Er, they aren't, and never have been. Any patent has to describe a ~device~ - a machine, a thing that can be built - hence the ubiquitous term preferred embodiment. If an invention cannot be expressed

Re: [music-dsp] damn patents (was New patent application on uniformly partitioned convolution) [OT]

2011-01-29 Thread Ross Bencina
Hi Andy I wish I were worthy of quoting Blaise Pascal here, but instead I will just apologise for the rant... I think it has a bearing on all of us too. And thus you lure me in. But if people complain that this is getting boring, off-topic or ill-natured then let's quit it. (Subject