Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-08-09 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On 2015-07-20, Tom Duffy wrote: Using separate reverbs on each instrument in a DAW recording gives a richer mix that just a single reverb on the master channel. What it gives you is higher decorrelation across channels. And our ears are used to that, because as soon as you move a sound

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-21 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 7/20/15 7:49 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: To add to Robert’s comment on discrete-time analog… The only thing special about digital sampling is that it’s stable (those digital numbers can be pretty durable—the analog samples don’t hold up so well) and convenient for computation. But the digital

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-21 Thread Nigel Redmon
On Jul 20, 2015, at 11:12 PM, robert bristow-johnson r...@audioimagination.com wrote: On 7/20/15 7:49 PM, Nigel Redmon wrote: To add to Robert’s comment on discrete-time analog… The only thing special about digital sampling is that it’s stable (those digital numbers can be pretty

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-21 Thread padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk
On 20 July 2015 at 22:24 Nigel Redmon earle...@earlevel.com wrote: Here’s an interesting interview: http://www.studioelectronics.biz/Documents/SSC.DEVICE.pdf http://www.studioelectronics.biz/Documents/SSC.DEVICE.pdf Thanks for sharing that delightfully inspiring read to find in my inbox

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-21 Thread Theo Verelst
robert bristow-johnson wrote: ... just for the record, none of them content words were written by me. ... And it's back, in the Prophet-6. I build one of those dual BBD effects with filters and electronics, with interesting options, with a sine wave LFO modulated clock to act as a Leslie

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Nigel Redmon
Er, minor correction, the effect I was talking about on the tune (where the echo is more part of the sound than perceived as a repeat) is the bass and the textural chordal change thing most easily heard in the sparse section starting at 1:37; my buddy added all the mallet things with echo

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Nigel Redmon
Being a long-time fan of delays (and author of Echo farm PT plug-in and DL4 delay modeler stompbox), starting with tape delay (first a Univox tape delay, graduated to Roland Space Echo (the space echo emulation in Echo Farm is based on my aged RE-101)…when the digital first came in, it was neat

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk
Whenever vintage delays come to my mind, I hear the sound of the bucket brigade delay lines that were made from a chain of capacitors and switches. In the early 80s there were many electronic magazine articles and kits to build them. The SAD chips had a maximum delay time of about 200ms. Were they

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread jpff
The first delay of which I was aware was in the piece Echo III played on the viola by Tim Souster in Cambridge in the early 1970s. Not an echo or reverb but a cannon. Delay was via two reel-to-reel tape machines, with a carefully measured distance between them. I cannot remember if it was the

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Tom Duffy
Related: Using separate reverbs on each instrument in a DAW recording gives a richer mix that just a single reverb on the master channel. Back in the analog days, you'd use the multitrack tape and mixer to do multiple passes through the best reverb in the studio. In the early DAW days, you'd

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Theo Verelst
robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 7/20/15 2:44 PM, padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote: Whenever vintage delays come to my mind, I hear the sound of the bucket brigade delay lines And it's back, in the Prophet-6. I build one of those dual BBD effects with filters and electronics, with interesting

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Nigel Redmon
Here’s an interesting interview: http://www.studioelectronics.biz/Documents/SSC.DEVICE.pdf http://www.studioelectronics.biz/Documents/SSC.DEVICE.pdf I first heard about it at AES (’75 in LA), from Stephen St. Croix himself. It was a brand new product, and Steve was trying to convince anyone

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 7/20/15 3:00 PM, jpff wrote: The first delay of which I was aware was in the piece Echo III played on the viola by Tim Souster in Cambridge in the early 1970s. Not an echo or reverb but a cannon. Delay was via two reel-to-reel tape machines, with a carefully measured distance between them.

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Nigel Redmon
Most of the old delays were BBD, but the king of discrete-time analog was the Marshall Time Modulator, which used CCDs. Between the dbx companding for increased s/n and the wide clock-sweeping range, it had awesome flanging (-80dB notches claimed)—great double/triple tracking too. On Jul 20,

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 7/20/15 2:44 PM, padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote: Whenever vintage delays come to my mind, I hear the sound of the bucket brigade delay lines that were made from a chain of capacitors and switches. In the early 80s there were many electronic magazine articles and kits to build them. The SAD

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread Nigel Redmon
To add to Robert’s comment on discrete-time analog… The only thing special about digital sampling is that it’s stable (those digital numbers can be pretty durable—the analog samples don’t hold up so well) and convenient for computation. But the digital audio samples are just a representation

Re: [music-dsp] A little frivolous diversion on the effect of using a delay

2015-07-20 Thread robert bristow-johnson
On 7/20/15 4:52 PM, Theo Verelst wrote: robert bristow-johnson wrote: On 7/20/15 2:44 PM, padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk wrote: Whenever vintage delays come to my mind, I hear the sound of the bucket brigade delay lines just for the record, none of them content words were written by me. And