Re: signature delimiter

2001-11-28 Thread Reed Lai

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:00:37AM -0800, Dairy Wall Limey wrote:
 Reed Lai wrote:
Seniors,

As I remember, the signature delimiter -- in mail body is a
-- 
  
  Ah... I can not understand your answer...
  I mean... my question is that the -- is mentioned in which RFC
  document?
 
 he didn't answer your question directly.
 
 but the sig delimiter should be --  (ie two dashes followed by one,
 and ONLY one, space).
 
 http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/elm/elm.sig.etiquette.html
 
 i did some searching on google and didn't turn up an rfc that
 specifically requires this. i always assumed it was more a matter of
 good etiquette, but it's very possible that an rfc exists.

I have understood now.
Thanks for all helps!

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Re : signature delimiter

2001-11-28 Thread Wolfgang Kaufmann

Seniors,

As I remember, the signature delimiter -- in mail body is a
standard from RFC, but I forget which RCF is.  Anybody remembers
that please tell me.

not -- but --  !

RFC 1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages)


Re: Re : signature delimiter

2001-11-28 Thread Brian Nelson

Wolfgang Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Seniors,
 
 As I remember, the signature delimiter -- in mail body is a
 standard from RFC, but I forget which RCF is.  Anybody remembers
 that please tell me.
 
 not -- but --  !
 
 RFC 1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages)

Err, don't you mean -- \n?

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Re : Re : signature delimiter

2001-11-28 Thread Wolfgang Kaufmann

* Thus spake Brian Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 As I remember, the signature delimiter -- in mail body is a
 standard from RFC, but I forget which RCF is.  Anybody remembers
 that please tell me.

 not -- but --  !
 RFC 1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages)

Err, don't you mean -- \n?

Of course ;-)


Re: Re : signature delimiter

2001-11-28 Thread Dave Pearson

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 12:54:06AM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote:
 Wolfgang Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  not -- but --  !
  
  RFC 1036 (Standard for interchange of USENET messages)
 
 Err, don't you mean -- \n?

Err, don't you mean \n-- \n? :)

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Re: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?

2001-11-28 Thread Thomas Hurst

* Vineet Kumar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 * Thomas Hurst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011127 15:43]:

 The other thing, which it seems is often overlooked and
 underappreciated, is the ability to use nice things like grep, find,
 xargs and the like on your mail the way it oughta work.

Hm, is there a quick way to convert a mbox to Maildir so I can have a
quick look to see what it's like on a huge mailbox?

(he says, blatently avoiding reading the manual)

  I do tend to leave deleting/archiving mail until I absolutely can't
  stand waiting for the client to load folders any more, though, so
  maybe that mainly applies to very large mailboxes.  I've killed
  three MUA's doing that so far :)

 Well, I certainly don't mean to tell you how to live your life, but
 here's how I do mine:

 set mbox_type=Maildir set record=+archive/sent-mail/`date
 +%Y/%m-sent-mail-%Y'` set mbox=+archive/inbox/`date
 '+%Y/%m-inbox-%Y'` set move

I do plan on doing something like this, it's just a matter of being
bothered to do it.  Maybe when my freebsd cvs-all folder gets tedious to
open :)

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Re: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?

2001-11-28 Thread David T-G

Thomas --

...and then Thomas Hurst said...
% * Vineet Kumar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
% 
%  * Thomas Hurst ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [011127 15:43]:
% 
%  The other thing, which it seems is often overlooked and
%  underappreciated, is the ability to use nice things like grep, find,
%  xargs and the like on your mail the way it oughta work.
% 
% Hm, is there a quick way to convert a mbox to Maildir so I can have a
% quick look to see what it's like on a huge mailbox?

  :set mbox_type=Maildir
  T.
  ;C/tmp/TestMailFolder/

to set your mbox type to maildir, tag all messages, and then copy them to
a test maildir (but not flag them all for deletion in the current folder;
if you want that then ;s(ave) instead of ;C(opy).


% 
% (he says, blatently avoiding reading the manual)

Yeah, obviously :-)


% 
%   I do tend to leave deleting/archiving mail until I absolutely can't
%   stand waiting for the client to load folders any more, though, so
%   maybe that mainly applies to very large mailboxes.  I've killed
%   three MUA's doing that so far :)
% 
%  Well, I certainly don't mean to tell you how to live your life, but
%  here's how I do mine:
% 
%  set mbox_type=Maildir set record=+archive/sent-mail/`date
%  +%Y/%m-sent-mail-%Y'` set mbox=+archive/inbox/`date
%  '+%Y/%m-inbox-%Y'` set move
% 
% I do plan on doing something like this, it's just a matter of being
% bothered to do it.  Maybe when my freebsd cvs-all folder gets tedious to
% open :)

Well, let's see, here...  Now I'm finally curious.  First I opened my big
funnies folder and converted it to Maildir; on about 9400 messages that
took mutt about 7 minutes to write using the exact method described
above (but we don't have the fastest SCSI disk even though we are using
reiserfs.  When I open the folder both ways I get

  [zero] [10:14am] ~  time mutt -e push x -f Mail/F.funnies
  4.460u 1.590s 1:18.68 7.6% 0+0k 0+0io 1747pf+0w

  [zero] [10:16am] ~  time mutt -e push x -f Mail/M.funnies
  4.850u 3.370s 3:20.50 4.0% 0+0k 0+0io 1145pf+0w

It looks like Maildir is distinctly worse for me.

I should probably have used /dev/null for my muttrc since I push a
collapse-all and sort by threads in there, but it applies to both and the
sorting is quick; once the message count finishes, the screen only stays
blank for a second or two saying sorting messages.

It was interesting to me to find that the Maildir version does not show a
percentage count as it counts up messages; it's comforting to see oneself
getting closer and closer to 100% when you don't know how many messages
are in the [large!] folder.  I'd think that would be even easier with
Maildir, since you need only look at the directory inodes rather than
look through the whole mbox file, but perhaps that percentage is of the
total size rather than the total number (and the size, of course, is easy
to get on the way in).


% 
% -- 
% Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -  http://www.aagh.net/


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folder shortcut

2001-11-28 Thread Paul Roberts Student lab engineer

Hi,

I use an imap folder as my main spool file, and each time I want to
change to that folder from another one, I type the long imap address,
which quickly gets tiring. Is there away to set a default mailbox to
goto, or a way to alias mailbox names so I don't have to type
imap://host:port/FOLDER each time I want to change to my main mailbox?

Thanks, - Paul
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Maildir vs mbox (was: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?)

2001-11-28 Thread Thomas Hurst

* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 Thomas --
 
 :set mbox_type=Maildir
 T.
 ;C/tmp/TestMailFolder/

Thanks.

 Well, let's see, here...  Now I'm finally curious.  First I opened
 my big funnies folder and converted it to Maildir; on about 9400
 messages that took mutt about 7 minutes to write using the exact
 method described above (but we don't have the fastest SCSI disk even
 though we are using reiserfs.  When I open the folder both ways I get

It took about 10 seconds to convert the 4200 or so messages in cvs-all.

 [zero] [10:14am] ~  time mutt -e push x -f Mail/F.funnies
 4.460u 1.590s 1:18.68 7.6% 0+0k 0+0io 1747pf+0w
 
 [zero] [10:16am] ~  time mutt -e push x -f Mail/M.funnies
 4.850u 3.370s 3:20.50 4.0% 0+0k 0+0io 1145pf+0w
 
 It looks like Maildir is distinctly worse for me.

mutt -e push q -f Mail/lists/cvs-all
2.03s user 0.55s system 98% cpu 2.619 total

mutt -e push q -f Mail/TestMail
2.08s user 1.12s system 97% cpu 3.288 total

Neither felt particularly different, although Maildir felt slightly
snappier opening messages (presumably because seek()ing to a message in
a mbox is more expensive than a simple fopen()), but in both cases it
took a fraction of a second.

Size wize, the mbox was 13600K compared with a 15207K Maildir.

This is on UFS+FFS+SU, on a 384MB FreeBSD machine with dirhashing.

 It was interesting to me to find that the Maildir version does not
 show a percentage count as it counts up messages; it's comforting to
 see oneself getting closer and closer to 100% when you don't know how
 many messages are in the [large!] folder.  I'd think that would be
 even easier with Maildir, since you need only look at the directory
 inodes rather than look through the whole mbox file, but perhaps that
 percentage is of the total size rather than the total number (and the
 size, of course, is easy to get on the way in).

Would be nice to get a percentage count, even if the meaning was
slightly different to that of a mbox.

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Re: Which grepmail little mutt front-end ?

2001-11-28 Thread Thomas Hurst

* Paul Roberts Student lab engineer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 01:56:23PM +0100, Gregor Zattler wrote:
 
  I'm interested in such thing. Where can i get this? 
 
 Try: http://grepmail.sourceforge.net/
 
 There's a link on that page to the mutt front-end too.

http://mboxgrep.sf.net/

Is a nice alternative that doesn't use Perl (although it does support
PCRE).  grepmail's date support looks sweet though.

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mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Christian Schoepplein

Hi,

I'm a blind computeruser who wants to use mutt. Most things are working 
very fine, I had only to change a view settings in the 
standardconfiguration to get mutt working with my special screenreading 
software (suse-blinux) and hardware devices (brailledisplay and 
speechsynt). But one thing is very uncomfortable... When reading a mail, 
there is no cursor inside mutt's internal pager which makes it unposible 
for my screenreading software to read the message with the normal keyboard 
by using the arrowkeys for example. I have to use the keys on my 
brailledisplay and thats really stressfull ;-).

What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager 
which is positioned on the first letter of the line. When opening a 
message the cursor should be in teh first line of the mail and it would be 
cool to scroll to the next line (for example by pressing 
the arrow-down-key) and so on, till the last line of the messagetext. It 
would be great to be able navigating on every line of the message with the 
cursor, then it shuld be no problem reading a message with my 
screenreading software.

As far as I know mutt doesn't have a solution for my problem, but maybe 
I'm wrong ??? Perhaps anyone has a tip how I can solve the problem or 
maybe it is posible to ad a new feature to mutt, that brings a cursor in 
to the internal pager.

Thanks in advance,
Schoeppi

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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Dan Boger

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:26:35PM +0100, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm a blind computeruser who wants to use mutt. Most things are working 
 very fine, I had only to change a view settings in the 
 standardconfiguration to get mutt working with my special screenreading 
 software (suse-blinux) and hardware devices (brailledisplay and 
 speechsynt). But one thing is very uncomfortable... When reading a mail, 
 there is no cursor inside mutt's internal pager which makes it unposible 
 for my screenreading software to read the message with the normal keyboard 
 by using the arrowkeys for example. I have to use the keys on my 
 brailledisplay and thats really stressfull ;-).
 
 What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager 
 which is positioned on the first letter of the line. When opening a 
 message the cursor should be in teh first line of the mail and it would be 
 cool to scroll to the next line (for example by pressing 
 the arrow-down-key) and so on, till the last line of the messagetext. It 
 would be great to be able navigating on every line of the message with the 
 cursor, then it shuld be no problem reading a message with my 
 screenreading software.
 
 As far as I know mutt doesn't have a solution for my problem, but maybe 
 I'm wrong ??? Perhaps anyone has a tip how I can solve the problem or 
 maybe it is posible to ad a new feature to mutt, that brings a cursor in 
 to the internal pager.

well, a workaround might be instead of viewing messages with enter,
view with 'e' - edit-message.  that will open the message in your
defined editor, and you can scroll through it there with the cursor...
when done, just quit your editor without saving, and you're back at the
index.

in my setup, the editor is set to :

set editor=vim -u ~/.mutt/vimrc -c ':0;/^$'

so that it automagically starts after the headers :)

HTH!

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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Daniel Eisenbud

You can use an external pager with mutt.  This would at least be a good
interim solution.  set pager=view or something.

-Daniel

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 08:26:35PM +0100, Christian Schoepplein [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm a blind computeruser who wants to use mutt. Most things are working 
 very fine, I had only to change a view settings in the 
 standardconfiguration to get mutt working with my special screenreading 
 software (suse-blinux) and hardware devices (brailledisplay and 
 speechsynt). But one thing is very uncomfortable... When reading a mail, 
 there is no cursor inside mutt's internal pager which makes it unposible 
 for my screenreading software to read the message with the normal keyboard 
 by using the arrowkeys for example. I have to use the keys on my 
 brailledisplay and thats really stressfull ;-).
 
 What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager 
 which is positioned on the first letter of the line. When opening a 
 message the cursor should be in teh first line of the mail and it would be 
 cool to scroll to the next line (for example by pressing 
 the arrow-down-key) and so on, till the last line of the messagetext. It 
 would be great to be able navigating on every line of the message with the 
 cursor, then it shuld be no problem reading a message with my 
 screenreading software.
 
 As far as I know mutt doesn't have a solution for my problem, but maybe 
 I'm wrong ??? Perhaps anyone has a tip how I can solve the problem or 
 maybe it is posible to ad a new feature to mutt, that brings a cursor in 
 to the internal pager.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Schoeppi
 
 -- 
 Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de

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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Daniel Eisenbud

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:32:39PM -0500, Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 well, a workaround might be instead of viewing messages with enter,
 view with 'e' - edit-message.  that will open the message in your
 defined editor, and you can scroll through it there with the cursor...
 when done, just quit your editor without saving, and you're back at the
 index.

Setting the pager to an editor (preferably started with a readonly flag)
would be a lot less error-prone.

-Daniel

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hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms.
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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Dan Boger

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:36:06PM -0500, Daniel Eisenbud wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 02:32:39PM -0500, Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  well, a workaround might be instead of viewing messages with enter,
  view with 'e' - edit-message.  that will open the message in your
  defined editor, and you can scroll through it there with the cursor...
  when done, just quit your editor without saving, and you're back at the
  index.
 
 Setting the pager to an editor (preferably started with a readonly flag)
 would be a lot less error-prone.

defenitly!  I didn't actually know you could do that :)  

-- 
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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Thorsten Haude

Hi,

* Christian Schoepplein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-11-28 20:26]:
What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager 
which is positioned on the first letter of the line.
What about:
set pager=/your/favorite/pager
This might even be your editor.

(Crosspoint has an optional cursor for this very reason. Great
program.)

Thorsten
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temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 21:11:25 +0100, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
 Using a external editor or pager for viewing the messages has the 
 disadvantage, that no mutt-internal commands are working. To go arround my 
 problem both solutions are ok, but they are really only a workaround ;-).

I agree with you. Perhaps there could be an optional cursor for
the internal pager.

PS: Your message doesn't contain a References or In-Reply-To header.
Both headers should have been generated by Mutt when you replied; they
are useful for threading the articles. Did you do a normal reply (or
list-reply) with Mutt? Otherwise is there a problem with that?

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Re: folder shortcut

2001-11-28 Thread René Clerc

* Paul Roberts Student lab engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [28-11-2001 17:27]:

| Hi,
| 
| I use an imap folder as my main spool file, and each time I want to
| change to that folder from another one, I type the long imap address,
| which quickly gets tiring. Is there away to set a default mailbox to
| goto, or a way to alias mailbox names so I don't have to type
| imap://host:port/FOLDER each time I want to change to my main mailbox?

If the imap folder is, like you say, your main spool file, a
change-folder to ! should do the trick.

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how to get text from other messages into current?

2001-11-28 Thread Aaron Falk

Hi-

Mutt's great! But I have a question.  

How can I cut text from a saved message and paste it into my current
composition?


--aaron



Re: how to get text from other messages into current?

2001-11-28 Thread Thorsten Haude

Moin,

* Aaron Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-11-29 00:05]:
How can I cut text from a saved message and paste it into my current
composition?
I usually open up another Mutt and use X11's clipboard.

Thorsten
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Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 22:18:07 +0100, Christian Schoepplein wrote:
 That was my mistake... I first replyed with the fast-reply-function on 
 one message with resulting in directly answering the person who wrote this 
 mail not not replying to the list. After this I sent the same mail to 
 this list, what causes the broken thread. Sorry for that ;-).

You should have used a function that keeps the In-Reply-To and
References headers. I know that bounce-message does this, but
the To and Cc headers wouldn't have been changed, and this is a
bit annoying as they are useful if someone wants to reply (but
the Message-Id is kept too, which could be a good thing if you
received a reply to your first mail). Perhaps resend-message
could be better (it seems to keep the In-Reply-To header, and
I hope it also keeps the References one).

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Bad Mail-Followup-To (was: mutt for blind computerusers)

2001-11-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre

Christian,

Your Mail-Followup-To header is broken:

Mail-Followup-To: Christian Schoepplein [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

as [EMAIL PROTECTED] doesn't exist, though your From header is correct.
I don't know what the reason is. Any idea?

Perhaps your From header isn't correct but it is modified by your
local MTA? In this case, you should set it with the my_hdr command
in your muttrc. If you subscribed to the mailing-list, you should use
the subscribe command too.

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Mail-Followup-To

2001-11-28 Thread Dairy Wall Limey

what other MTAs honor Mail-Followup-To, and is there a patch for pine to
make it do this?  i couldn't find any patches online for this.  i don't
use pine, but a number of colleagues do (and many use other, even more
brain-dead MUAs).  given that my chances of converting many of them are
slim, is there any way to do this?

i don't want to have to start using unique addresses for internal lists
too, but it messes up my organization when list messages get in my inbox
(due to use of 'reply-all').

w



Trailing Lines

2001-11-28 Thread dallam

Silly question that I need an answer to. I seem to have *lots* of
trailing lines when I post or reply, how do I correct this?

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Re: Trailing Lines

2001-11-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 00:57:17 +, dallam wrote:
 Silly question that I need an answer to. I seem to have *lots* of
 trailing lines when I post or reply, how do I correct this?

with another editor?

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Re: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?

2001-11-28 Thread Samuel Padgett

Vineet Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  * Samuel Padgett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
   So the advantage of Maildir is speed, and the disadvantage
   is that it eats inodes for breakfast?
 
 This is my experience, yes. Another advantage is peace of mind
 that you'll never again fall prey to a corrupted mailbox due to
 a delivery occurring at the wrong time.

But shouldn't well-behaved MTAs and MUAs perform locking that
prevents this from happening?

Sam



Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2001-11-28 Thread John Kearney

* Christian Schoepplein [EMAIL PROTECTED] [011128 19:25]:
 Hi,
 
 I'm a blind computeruser who wants to use mutt. Most things are working 
 very fine, I had only to change a view settings in the 
 standardconfiguration to get mutt working with my special screenreading 
 software (suse-blinux) and hardware devices (brailledisplay and 
 speechsynt). But one thing is very uncomfortable... When reading a mail, 
 there is no cursor inside mutt's internal pager which makes it unposible 
 for my screenreading software to read the message with the normal keyboard 
 by using the arrowkeys for example. I have to use the keys on my 
 brailledisplay and thats really stressfull ;-).
 
 What I'm looking for is a posibility to get a cursor inside the pager 
 which is positioned on the first letter of the line. When opening a 
 message the cursor should be in teh first line of the mail and it would be 
 cool to scroll to the next line (for example by pressing 
 the arrow-down-key) and so on, till the last line of the messagetext. It 
 would be great to be able navigating on every line of the message with the 
 cursor, then it shuld be no problem reading a message with my 
 screenreading software.
 
 As far as I know mutt doesn't have a solution for my problem, but maybe 
 I'm wrong ??? Perhaps anyone has a tip how I can solve the problem or 
 maybe it is posible to ad a new feature to mutt, that brings a cursor in 
 to the internal pager.
  not sure if this is what u want but i have somthing like this in my
muttrc

   bind   pager  Upprevious-line
   bind   pager  Down  next-line

 
 Thanks in advance,
 Schoeppi

no probs if it's any help



Re: mbox Postmark Line vs. Message Date Header?

2001-11-28 Thread Matthew D. Fuller

Sam,

  This is my experience, yes. Another advantage is peace of mind
  that you'll never again fall prey to a corrupted mailbox due to
  a delivery occurring at the wrong time.
 
 But shouldn't well-behaved MTAs and MUAs perform locking that
 prevents this from happening?

Yes, they should perform locking.
No, it won't prevent it.

1) System crashes in the middle of delivering mail.

2) Filesystem a few bytes from full.  Open mbox, read messages.  Sync
mailbox; it starts rewriting a bunch of Status: headers, which ends up
extending the file.  *boom*  filesystem full, you've
lost/overwritten/corrupted stuff.


I'm sure with a bit of effort, we could find a number of other failure
modes.



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mutt index_format and size of messages

2001-11-28 Thread martin f krafft

by default, mutt displays the lines count in the index listing. the %c
format option allows the display of the size in bytes. is there anyway
to have mutt display size in kb, possibly rounded to 2 significant
figures, or an accuracy of 0.1?

mutt-users, please CC me on the reply.

thanks,

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martin;  (greetings from the heart of the sun.)
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Re: mutt index_format and size of messages

2001-11-28 Thread martin f krafft

* Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001.11.28 10:28:34-0500]:
 Thus spake martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

this on the personal side... why not make it

Also sprach martin f krafft

after all, the original was german...

 Mine shows KB, and I got it from mutt-users a while back.  Don't have
 time to decode which letter it is now, but here's mine: 
 
   set index_format=%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F (%4c) %s

you rock! i saw %c and tried it, but it wouldn't succeed. i mean, it
did work, but i had hooks overriding it. so now it's beautuitous!

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