Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 09:17 * Rob 'Feztaa' Park said Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus: * On 21-01-02 at 23:17 Brian Foley said Some of the more extreme past members of this list would have blasted you out of the water for: a) using a two-line attribution at the top of all your quotes Oops, I just thought it looked neater as it was a little long. I don't think it does any harm though eh? I think it looks much better on one line, like I changed yours to above. Also, you could try to be creative with your attribution, like me or others here. I must admit to toying with several ideas but not coming up with anything I was happy enough with yet. You're right about the one line thing though and as soon as I can come up with something suitably silly I'm in. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TSEXHpvrrTa6L5oRAnzcAJ4qGPJtyxmdHutDq9vK6WPGxpeLgwCZAWmm uhb8rEcw9TcBe/xWdH/CM+0= =ndXq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 09:17 * Thomas Hurst said _Replying to a message_ By: Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] On: Monday, January 21, 2002, 16:54:47 -0700 Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers I agree, although I question the actual utility of dates and times in attributions; if people need that sort of detail shouldn't they look up the thread? Also, you could try to be creative with your attribution, like me or others here. Like mine? It's only 6 lines, and it's *so* useful. Honest.. I think yours might be just a little much, I'm getting my arse kicked here about trimming, a six line attribution? That's as good as David's quotation chars :) - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TSIEHpvrrTa6L5oRAqEWAJ96Qr88c6XGD+z9Sj77n9bY5mw2gQCfX+Gt kolj3mbHn5P+t7KZJsk6C5s= =NaQb -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 09:17 * Jonathan Irving said Simple: defaults. Default behaviour is what most non-technical users end up with. I've heard it called flashing 12:00 syndrome, referencing the inability of most over-12-year-olds to program a VCR. Hehe, I like the 'flashing 12:00 reference although I'm sure the age limit is a little higher. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TSLzHpvrrTa6L5oRAsdgAJ9IG6ZVu9akqCvCMGNmr3evOhlHlgCcDgpr IEKhbzMTTJ5ibpo4LxE2Gfk= =sUyU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 09:17 * Rob 'Feztaa' Park said TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen (unless mutt is available for windows and I don't know about it). It sure beats Netscape Mail or LookOut, anyway. Does it support threading? I've been idly looking for something to reccomend to Win users that frequent some of the mailing lists I'm on. You don't really appreciate threading untill you've tried to follow a topic on a list full of Outhouse users. Of course, that's like saying I have the best tasting poo out of everybody here! ;) Hey! I havn't even had breakfast yet! - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TSRXHpvrrTa6L5oRAjuaAKCEblBGi0bm42D7cT2CXx0nQ7HsGACgp3Ky T9PZ7zSNSZ1QcKW4/H8gjDM= =DrDE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 09:20]: Also, you could try to be creative with your attribution, like me or others here. I must admit to toying with several ideas but not coming up with anything I was happy enough with yet. You're right about the one line thing though and as soon as I can come up with something suitably silly I'm in. I think everybody should have at least once read Sven Guckes' FAQ on email and Usenet messages: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/ I don't agree with all of it, but his hints sure are helpful to make up one's mind! Bye, -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Alimony is a system by which, when two people make a mistake, one of them continues to pay for it. -Peggy Joyce msg23514/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:37:55PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly, but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines. Good, provided you use a recent (beta) copy (e.g. 1.3.26). However, I'm having some stability problems (about 1 segfault/day), but hopefully this will be fixed soon. -- David Smith Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380 (direct) STMicroelectronicsFax: +44 (0)1454 617910 1000 Aztec WestTINA (ST only): (065) 2380 Almondsbury Home: 01454 616963 BRISTOLMobile: 07932 642724 BS32 4SQ Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X-Face Header in mutt
Am 22.01.2002 um 16:36:23 +0700 schrieb budsz folgendes: On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: a) Find a picture of you or whatever b) resize to 48x48 (?) c) reduce to 2 colors d) convert to x-face format I don't understand what your mind, would you like explain more detail (step) ? (b)resize, (c)reduce, (d)covert? how come, sorry I'am newbie..:) b) Use a program to resize the image to 48x48 pixels size c) Use a program to reduce the number of colors I used convert from the ImageMagick collection d) Uh, don't know which program I used. http://www.dairiki.org/xface/ -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Eight hours of work and all I managed to do was learn that the only reason they call it Windows is because prolonged usage makes you want to throw your computer through one...
Re: X-Face Header in mutt
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: a) Find a picture of you or whatever b) resize to 48x48 (?) c) reduce to 2 colors d) convert to x-face format I don't understand what your mind, would you like explain more detail (step) ? (b)resize, (c)reduce, (d)covert? how come, sorry I'am newbie..:) -- budsz msg23518/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Brian, et al -- ...and then Brian Clark said... % % * Jonathan Irving ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 18:57]: % % Emacs and Pine both support per-message quote characters. I % think the idea is to choose something that identifies the person, % like: % % Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me forever % to find the thread in the archives because I wouldn't know what to look Not so tough; just surf over to the archives site and look for that exact string. % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%) quote % prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the list has % picked on him about that prefix. ;-)) It has been rather brutal lately, but, interestingly enough, all I ever got were a few polite questions about it before that. There was some sort of worldwide change and all of a sudden everybody loves to hate me! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23519/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! Brian Clark spake thus: % % I've used clients like TheBat! before that do it as you've pointed out % below: % % BCThis line is quoted text % BCThis line is quoted text % % TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen (unless mutt Yes, it is; I haven't tried it, but it is either available with the latest CygWin stuff or can be compiled up thereunder. From what I hear it actually works, too. Check the archives. % is available for windows and I don't know about it). It sure beats % Netscape Mail or LookOut, anyway. Well, how tough is that? :-) % % Of course, that's like saying I have the best tasting poo out of % everybody here! ;) Ick. Leave it to Rob to keep the discussion classy! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23520/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Derek -- ...and then Derek D. Martin said... % o/ /o At some point hitherto, René Clerc hath spake thusly: o/ /o I've finally come to my senses; changed from '| ' to ' '. Now it's up o/ /o to that other pagan, David, to change ;) O / / / O O / / / O And there was much rejoicing... ;-) Hey, watch it, pal! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23521/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
text-input-problem
I've a really curious problem with mutt. When I compose a new mail mutt asks for the recipient (To:) and for the Subject in the last line of my screen. If I enter a value here and mistype something and use the delete-button to correct this issue, the cursor is moving funny. lets say: (* indicates current cursor-pos) Subject: 1234567890123456790* I press the del-key 7 times and have Subject: 1234567890123* Then I press del del-key again and get: Subject: 1234567890123 * If I press enter now the acceptes Subject is nevertheless Subject: 123456789012 which is correct, so only the display is weird. This makes me cracy, cause if you mistype an emailadress you cant correct it, cause you never know where the cursor is now mutt 1.3.23 - dont have any problem like this with any other terminalapplication. thnx, peter
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * On 22-01-02 at 09:17 % * Thomas Hurst said % % Like mine? It's only 6 lines, and it's *so* useful. Honest.. % % I think yours might be just a little much, I'm getting my arse kicked % here about trimming, a six line attribution? That's as good as David's % quotation chars :) Hey! On whose side are you? Oh, the betrayal! % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com % :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23524/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
Le 21/01/02 à 21:37, Samuel Padgett écrivit:
I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP
client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly,
but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines.
mutt + IMAP works very well for me. It should be available on most Linux
distributions. I now use the FreeBSD port.
I'm using the IMAP daemon from the University of Washington. It's very
easy to install: just enable it in the /etc/inetd.conf - that's all. If
you plan to access your IMAP account via the Internet, keep in mind that
this daemon had some serious security problems in the past.
Gerhard
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Re: lynx-dev Use mutt to download and distribute incoming mails to various folder?
We can use fetchmail and procmail to do this but if I use mutt to download mail , will mutt be able to distribute the mails to various folders, as it is downloading? Or I have to pipe the mails to procmail? How to do it? When I try, I tag all the mails and pipe to formail -s procmail but procmail complains about locking and unlocking file. Can the whole thing be done by invoking mutt and/procmail in command line? I do not use fetchmail because the recent version requires the cryto libraries which make the whole thing big and slow.
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
Sam, I use mutt at work to read mail from an IMAP store. While I love mutts functionality, I must say that the its speed in processing IMAP stores strikes me as slow. I think this is because mutt doesn't seem to have any caching mechanism. As a result, each tim you open an imap subfolder you have to wait for it to spool th count. If you have a folder with lots of messages this can be a substantial wait time. If you archived locally and just kept y our inbox for initial reception it might not be too bad... On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:37:55PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote: I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly, but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines. Thanks, Sam msg23527/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
difficult-to-obtain smtppush
can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)? niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/ nor http://www.toesinperil.com/~me/smtppush/ does not work. Michael? ;-) 10x, karlov.
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (00:01) :
It seems they're all LookOut users as well. Where the heck people get
that crap is beyond me.
I thought the program was called LockOut ;-)
Another annoying thing is the 10 line disclaimer from companies that
this is a private e-mail and that if you have gotten it should return
the e-mail to the company bla bla bla etc... I have always wondered what
is so privat on a mailinglist. :-)
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Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) :
You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff
to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved
to the list members as a whole, not to mention the readability of the
mail archives and everything else.
Bullshit. Get a better editor or learn to use vim.
In Alexander Skwar's signature in another thread here I found two links
that should be interesting for others as well.
How to quote:
http://quote.6x.to
http://learn.to/quote (german)
Preben
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Re: X-Face Header in mutt
budsz -- ...and then budsz said... % % On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: % a) Find a picture of you or whatever % b) resize to 48x48 (?) % c) reduce to 2 colors % d) convert to x-face format % % I don't understand what your mind, would you like explain more detail (step) ? % (b)resize, (c)reduce, (d)covert? how come, sorry I'am newbie..:) At USENIX conferences one has the opportunity to have one's picture taken for your entry badge, and an image with 48 pixels per side and two colors is the format. The conference advertising for at least one year said something about like Come to USENIX and get saved, playing on the saving of the image to disk versus the Christian getting saved, which often happens at Christian conferences. You also got a copy of your file, converted to a 7-bit mail-safe format called x-face format (I don't know that it isn't plain uuencoding without the extra UU header and footer data, but it is specific to the USENIX images). Cleverly enough, people then started writing software that would decode the data and display the picture, and folks then started including their pictures in their email headers. I vaguely recall an X-based GUI mail program that would pop up a face when you opened someone's message if the X-Face: header were present. What a delightful example of how to program for viruses, and way before Outlook hit the scene :-) Thus, you must go through the steps above to generate your own X-Face: header (well, if you want it to make any sense; you *could* just put any old garbage in there, and according to at least one subscriber here that would be completely valid and logical). Now, on the other hand, if you already have an x-face file and you simply want to include it, the answer is RTFM to learn about my_hdr. I suspect, however, that's not what you were asking. % % -- % budsz :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23532/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 12:13]: Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) : You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved to the list members as a whole, not to mention the readability of the mail archives and everything else. Bullshit. Get a better editor or learn to use vim. In Alexander Skwar's signature in another thread here I found two links that should be interesting for others as well. How to quote: http://quote.6x.to http://learn.to/quote (german) Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim! -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The new growth in the plant swelling against the sheath, which at the same time imprisons and protects it, must still be the truest type of progress. -Jane Addams msg23533/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (12:26) :
Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was
saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the
time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim!
This is not correct at all. It is just lazyness as you also
demonstrated. It took me max 2 seconds to trim this mail.
Preben
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Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 12:28]: René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (12:26) : Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim! This is not correct at all. It is just lazyness as you also demonstrated. It took me max 2 seconds to trim this mail. You're overdoing it. You're *way* overdoing it. Get back to my mail. If I just quoted you, it would start with Bullshit. I think it would be convenient for the readers to read *in context* (that means, in the same mail) what you think is bullshit. Same reason why I leave my text quoted in this mail. You're this is a direct reference, which IMHO *must* be included. Before I write a reply, I _do_ trim. And it usually takes me over 2 seconds. I'm not lazy. -- René Clerc - ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) A toast to the kisses you've snatched and vice-versa. msg23535/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* On 22-01-02 at 12:28 * René Clerc said Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim! Thank god for that, I thought I was going mad :) -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg23536/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* On 22-01-02 at 12:43 * René Clerc said Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim! This is not correct at all. It is just lazyness as you also demonstrated. It took me max 2 seconds to trim this mail. This is getting silly, although I'm kinda glad to see that I'm not the only one getting flamed by the ridiculously righteous anymore (sorry Rene :) You're overdoing it. You're *way* overdoing it. Get back to my mail. If I just quoted you, it would start with Bullshit. I think it would be convenient for the readers to read *in context* (that means, in the same mail) what you think is bullshit. Here, here, behave Preben your being somewhat over zealos at best and downright silly at worst. -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com msg23537/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: lynx-dev Use mutt to download and distribute incoming mails to various folder?
Neo -- ...and then Neo Sze Wee said... % % We can use fetchmail and procmail to do this but if I use mutt to download mail % , will mutt be able to distribute the mails to various folders, as it is % downloading? Nope. mutt can pull down your POP mail; the download key is by default 'G'. It doesn't know from multiple accounts, though, amongst other possible pitfalls. Once you have the mail in your folder (all dumped there in a pile), you could use mbox-hooks and perhaps message-hooks to define where to save the messages (like into their proper folders), but it would be tedious. mutt is not meant to filter. % % Or I have to pipe the mails to procmail? How to do it? When I try, I tag all % the mails and pipe to formail -s procmail but procmail complains about % locking and unlocking file. Hmmm... I'm no procmail expert, but shouldn't you just pipe to procmail instead of to formail? Just checking... % % Can the whole thing be done by invoking mutt and/procmail in command line? If you got it working at all, you could probably create a push line that feeds in the right keystrokes, but it's really not the way to go. % % I do not use fetchmail because the recent version requires the cryto libraries % which make the whole thing big and slow. What about going back to a previous version if you can't just configure the crypto to off when you build it? :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23538/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: text-input-problem
Peter -- ...and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said... % % I've a really curious problem with mutt. When I compose a new mail % mutt asks for the recipient (To:) and for the Subject in the last line % of my screen. Yep. % If I enter a value here and mistype something and use the % delete-button to correct this issue, the cursor is moving funny. Quite interesting... % % lets say: (* indicates current cursor-pos) % % Subject: 1234567890123456790* % % I press the del-key 7 times and have % % Subject: 1234567890123* % % Then I press del del-key again and get: % Subject: 1234567890123 * At this point I would suspect your termcap and/or term graphics library ([n]curses or slang) and perhaps even your stty settings. % % If I press enter now the acceptes Subject is nevertheless Subject: % 123456789012 which is correct, so only the display is weird. This % makes me cracy, cause if you mistype an emailadress you cant correct % it, cause you never know where the cursor is now FWIW, BTW, you can erase your whole line with ctrl-u and start over if it gets too horribly mangled. You could also have edit_hdrs turned on and then have the chance to fix things in your editor. Finally, you can fix things in the compose menu before sending, too. No, none of these fix the problem, but they can help you deal with the symptoms :-) % % mutt 1.3.23 - dont have any problem like this with any other % terminalapplication. % % thnx, % peter HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23539/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: difficult-to-obtain smtppush
Boris -- ...and then boris karlov said... % % can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)? % niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/ Try sigpipe.org:8080, IIRC. % nor http://www.toesinperil.com/~me/smtppush/ does not work. % Michael? ;-) % % 10x, karlov. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23540/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X-Face Header in mutt
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:19:22AM -0600, John Buttery wrote: Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? Should be trivial gbuffy xbuffy -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 Quoted-Printable: a standard for mangling Internet messages Quoted-Unreadable : the result of applying said standard Unquoted-Unprintable: the comments from the recipients of the above
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Preben Randhol wrote: Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) : You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved to the list members as a whole, not to mention the readability of the mail archives and everything else. Bullshit. Get a better editor or learn to use vim. indeed. (not that I use vim, but reading your statement literally, vim is not a better editor). -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: maildir over mbox?
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote: FWIW, I just did some testing using mutt 1.3.25i on my Athlon 800 MHz, 786 MB RAM, and a IBM DDRS-39130W SCSI UW hard drive running reiserfs. The Maildir/mbox I tested, had 84.533 messages and about 321 MB. Opening the mbox beast took 2:53 minutes, while opening the same converted to Maildir (with mutt) took more than 25 minutes. Go figure... A little different on my system, the mailbox I tested had 13028 emails, and was only fairly small, 36 meg. On a MAXTOR 6L040J2 running over ata66 on a reiser partition. Athlon 1000MHz, with 384MB ram. mbox 2.88s user 0.25s system 93% cpu 3.357 total maildir 3.10s user 0.82s system 94% cpu 4.014 total Don't know why but for me there isn't much of a difference between them, everyone else seems to be getting a big difference. I was however surprised with the cpu use. Looks like both are fairly heavy on my system. The times are fairly average, I ran it a few times and it made little difference, around 0.05s, and not much difference to the cpu usage. -- All generalizations are false, including this one. -- Mark Twain - David Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] | David Clarke s3353950 Key Fingerprint : 869B 53DD 5E80 E1F0 93F6 9871 0508 0296 5957 F723
[Announce] mutt-1.3.27 is out
Mutt-1.3.27 is available from ftp://ftp.mutt.org/pub/mutt/. This is another BETA version; but this time, without the SSL core dump. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, -- Thomas Roessler[EMAIL PROTECTED] msg23545/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]: ...and then Brian Clark said... % Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me % forever to find the thread in the archives because I wouldn't know % what to look Not so tough; just surf over to the archives site and look for that exact string. asdfghjhkl.. Not that exact string bg, but something equally as silly. You get the idea -- I was trying to get the point across without knowing exactly what the quote prefix was. OK, everyone confused yet? :-)) % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%) % quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the % list has picked on him about that prefix. ;-)) It has been rather brutal lately, but, interestingly enough, all I ever got were a few polite questions about it before that. There was some sort of worldwide change and all of a sudden everybody loves to hate me! Well, FWIW, I could care less about your quote prefix, unless you happen to change it to: o/ \o o/ Which I saw earlier, coming from your client, so don't even think about it! :-) -- Brian Clark | Avoiding the general public since 1805! Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 Earth first! We'll strip-mine the other planets later.
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* Preben Randhol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 06:07]: Another annoying thing is the 10 line disclaimer from companies that Especially when they are up top. this is a private e-mail and that if you have gotten it should return the e-mail to the company bla bla bla etc... I have always wondered what is so privat on a mailinglist. :-) I think I remember someone telling me once that their company's MTA did that, and it was beyond their control. That has to be embarrassing. :-( -- Brian Clark | Avoiding the general public since 1805! Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 Enter any 11 digit prime number to continue.
Printer [pos. little OT]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I've been looking at the different variables associated with the print function and can't work out why Mutt is telling me 'Printer: Nothing to print'? I'm sure it's me being daft but if anyone can point out where I'm going wrong here that would be great. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TXKfHpvrrTa6L5oRAmzyAJ0UbcWVhN1iHlXH2TpFIme0rlNuUgCffQYy a4hqjOpCjXnhNYqK4L/tgpk= =84eZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: difficult-to-obtain smtppush
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:06:30 -0500, David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: % % can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)? % niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/ Try sigpipe.org:8080, IIRC. -- exactly. 404. but: have been found at http://kldp.org/~eunjea/mutt.php#sendmail 10x to Im Eunjea ;-) % nor http://www.toesinperil.com/~me/smtppush/ does not work. % Michael? ;-)
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Brian -- ...and then Brian Clark said... % % * David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]: % % ...and then Brian Clark said... % % % Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me % % forever to find the thread in the archives because I wouldn't know % % what to look % % Not so tough; just surf over to the archives site and look for that % exact string. % % asdfghjhkl.. Not that exact string bg, but something equally as % silly. You get the idea -- I was trying to get the point across without % knowing exactly what the quote prefix was. OK, everyone confused yet? % :-)) *grin* % % % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%) % % quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the % % list has picked on him about that prefix. ;-)) % % It has been rather brutal lately, but, interestingly enough, all I % ever got were a few polite questions about it before that. There was % some sort of worldwide change and all of a sudden everybody loves to % hate me! % % Well, FWIW, I could care less about your quote prefix, unless you happen % to change it to: % % o/ % \o % o/ Not quite... There was no \ in it, 'cuz it was o/ /o Recognize it yet? There's also O / / / O for the somewhat more obnoxious, to of course be followed by OOO / O O / OOO / / / OOO / O O / OOO when someone is shouting. % % Which I saw earlier, coming from your client, so don't even think about % it! :-) BWA HA HA ha hahahaha! % % -- % Brian Clark | Avoiding the general public since 1805! % Fingerprint: 07CE FA37 8DF6 A109 8119 076B B5A2 E5FB E4D0 C7C8 % Earth first! We'll strip-mine the other planets later. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23551/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 15:06 * Brian Clark said * David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]: % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%) % quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the % list has picked on him about that prefix. ;-)) Anyone remember the subject or something of that thread, I'd like to have a look at it. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TXQdHpvrrTa6L5oRApvUAKCOJy3m9U9MGRbQoJ2kgS5wJbaB7QCfShO4 pc+o725D0Wc3tBxH3CvMa3M= =zSm+ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: maildir over mbox?
Matthew --
...and then Matthew D. Fuller said...
%
% On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:26:55PM -0500 I heard the voice of
% Derek D. Martin, and lo! it spake thus:
%
% In which case I would ask, dude, why? I thought my counterpart at
% work was a pack rat... ;-)
%
% Hmmm
% Well, my current archives have... *does some quick scripting*
% (ttyp4):{920}% cat temp | dc
% 817181
%
% So not quite a million messages, but still far more inodes than I'd care
% to eat on /home.
Ouch. Yeah.
%
% I rotate my folders manually every few weeks; generally, once a mailbox
% (in Maildir, being an active mailbox) reached 4000-7000 messages, and
% starts taking more than 6 or 7 seconds to open, I tag-all and drop it
% into a mbox, then slot that mbox into my archives.
Makes sense.
%
% So, does that make ME a packrat? ;)
% For reference:
% (ttyp4):{921}% du -sh .
% 2.5G.
Well, ...
[zero] [9:05am] ~/Mail cat `find . -type f -print | egrep -v /Z/ | \
egrep '/F\.'` | egrep '^From ' | wc -l
38124
[zero] [9:09am] ~/Mail cat `find . -type f -print | egrep -v /Z/ | \
egrep -v '/F\.'` | egrep '^From ' | wc -l
31237
[zero] [9:13am] ~/Mail zcat `find . -type f -print | egrep /Z/ | \
egrep '/F\.'` | egrep '^From ' | wc -l
168069
[zero] [9:16am] ~/Mail zcat `find . -type f -print | egrep /Z/ | \
egrep -v '/F\.'` | egrep '^From ' | wc -l
28940
[zero] [9:16am] ~/Mail echo 0 38124+ 31237+ 168069+ 28940+ pq | dc
266370
[zero] [9:16am] ~/Mail du -sh .
1.1G.
I suppose it does, since I figure I am. I honestly thought I'd at least
come close, but you're running nearly four times as many messages as I.
Of course, you're only taking up twice as much disk space; you must have
smaller messages overall ;-)
[zero] [9:18am] ~/Mail ls -lFRt | tail
-rw--- 1 davidtg 829 Jan 12 1994 alan.z
How old is your oldest? :-)
%
% --
% Matthew Fuller (MF4839) |[EMAIL PROTECTED]
% Unix Systems Administrator |[EMAIL PROTECTED]
% Specializing in FreeBSD |http://www.over-yonder.net/
%
% The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I
% haven't figured out how to light the middle yet
:-D
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David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles
(play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie
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Re: lynx-dev Use mutt to download and distribute incoming mails to various folder?
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:01:50 -0500 From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Neo Sze Wee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: lynx-dev Use mutt to download and distribute incoming mails to various folder? % I do not use fetchmail because the recent version requires the cryto % libraries which make the whole thing big and slow. What about going back to a previous version if you can't just configure the crypto to off when you build it? Or using a different (lightweight) retriever? -- FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE 3:40PM up 1 day, 22:03, 11 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.10, 0.12
Re: back to quoting (was Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers)
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * On 22-01-02 at 15:06 % * Brian Clark said % % * David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]: % % % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%) % % quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the % % list has picked on him about that prefix. ;-)) % % Anyone remember the subject or something of that thread, I'd like to % have a look at it. The subject was 'Quoting when replying', and it got nasty around 12/17. % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel: +45 3325 0688 % Fax: +45 3325 0677 % Web: www.explodingnet.com % :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23555/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: killing dupes
cruciatuz muttered: i fetched my mail and in the meanwhile my computer crashed during a hd-error. now i fetched again and i got many dupes (in the mbox-file). mutt is intelligent as usual and shows me the dupes with = in the threads, but: is there an integrated function for cleaning the mbox-file? or has someone a clever macro for doing this? Once the duplicates are there it is too late. I use procmail to filter messages with the same Message-ID to a special folder. # move duplicates away :0 Whc: msgid.lock | formail -D 16384 msgid.cache :0 a: duplicates # or /dev/null if you dare HTH, Michael -- I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. I just love debugging ;-) (Linus Torvalds) PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Printer [pos. little OT]
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:09:35PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: I've been looking at the different variables associated with the print function and can't work out why Mutt is telling me 'Printer: Nothing to print'? I remember I had the same problem when I first configured printing but I don't remember what exactly I did to fix it. I do remember it had to do with the print command itself. Here's what I have in my muttrc that currently works with my HP Office Jet 610: set print=ask-yes # Confirm whether I want to print set print_command=enscript -f Times-Roman10 --pretty-print=mail \ -L 64 -B -P default # Use enscript to print (default is 'lpr') set print_decode # Decode all messages before sending them to printer set print_split # Print command is executed once for each message being printed rather # than in a batch mode where messages are concatenated with a form feed # seperator before going to printer. SET IF YOU ARE USING ENSCRIPT -- Ken Wahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kenwahl.org/mutt/ PGP/GPG Key C225AA5A: http://www.kenwahl.org/pubkey.gpg Mutt: All mail clients suck, this one just sucks less.. Weaponized Linux Kernel 2.4.9-12 Uptime: 44 days, 23:09 msg23557/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X-Face Header in mutt
Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? I use macro pager \ef |view-x-face.pl\n Get the perl script at http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/view-x-face -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: S/MIME patch for Mutt-1.3.26
The S/MIME patch i posted for 1.3.26 also works with 1.3.27. -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: text-input-problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 16:45 * Knute said So set it up to edit your headers in your text editor, that way you can see what it is and make sure it's right. Covering old ground here min gamle ven (I'm guessing you'll understand that bit!) David TG covered this. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TY6gHpvrrTa6L5oRAqt4AKC0H0aOg1PtjTVcOvRodm4Pc3p+rwCaAr4A zO5uaACq+vfmYir6voExOg0= =4xpY -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: patch to force pgp_create_traditional on non-us-ascii mails (was: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch))
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:46:36PM -0500, Dale Woolridge wrote: On 12-Jan-2002 19:08 Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: | | One thing though: Somewhere the following header is created: | | Content-Disposition: inline; filename=msg.pgp | | This causes Outlook to show an attachment where there obviously is | none. Could this be safely ommited? Viktor, I was revisiting some code related to the pgp code and remembered this thread about p_c_t and non-us-ascii messages. Using your patch as a guideline, I have created a new patch with some slight variations from your own. In particular, I removed the 'filename=msg.pgp' (use_disp = 0) and decided against having an additional variable to force traditional use with 8bit messages. Instead, p_c_t is always consulted even when the content is 8bit. I really don't know if that'll cause more headaches for people or not. If anyone decides to try this patch, please let me know if you experience any issues. You can find the patch here: http://www.woolridge.ca/mutt/patches/patch-1.3.26.dw.pgp-traditional.1 I tried this out - works well. One little detail though: when you set p_c_t to ask-xxx, mutt prompts: Create an application/pgp message? ([yes]/no): Since it's not an application/pgp message at this point, the prompt should probably be something else. David -- David Shaw | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | WWW http://www.jabberwocky.com/ +---+ There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. - Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: X-Face Header in mutt
Hi, On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:19:22AM -0600, John Buttery wrote: Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? Should be trivial I use http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/view-x-face You need the compface package, and icontopbm (both readily available), but you pipe it a message and it displays it on X (using xview here), or if theres no X terminal it'll convert it to ASCII which works nicely (pbmtoascii). Going back to the original point, the compface package has info on making an X-Face in the man page IIRC. Regards, Luke smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus: How do you tell if you are sending to a blind user? Are you blind?? I'm /registered/ blind. But I see okay in reasonable light. Good to know. Now I have to ask everybody else... -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The Love Bird is 100% faithful to his mate, as long as they are locked together in the same cage. -- Will Cuppy msg23565/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Hi all! On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: This is irrelevant. Over-quoting is inconsiderate, and affects everyone. It causes us to have to wade through a bunch of irrelevant garbage to get at (and often FIND) the author's point. Quoting out of context (i.e. writing your reply and then quoting the whole message after what you've written ) is also a problem, because it removes the context of the comment, increases ambiguity, and thereby makes it harder to get the author's point, and increases the likelihood that it will be misunderstood by a wide audience. Limiting what you quote to the point that you're trying to comment on, and commenting on it immediately afterward maximizes clarity, and helps to reduce ambiguity by making it very clear what the author was intending to comment ABOUT. I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not funny to grub thru this messages, if they are quoted badly. I don't need any special netiquette for blind or something like that, my screenreader is good enough to handle most things quite well. But it annoyes me if unnecesary techniques were used, to get very simple things working. For example javaskript or flash are often difficult to handle for blind linuxusers, but many persons using this crap to setup a simple website. It takes a lot of my time to handle things like this or reading bad quoted mails. Just my 0.2$ to this monsterthread ;-). Best regards, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
Re: patch to force pgp_create_traditional on non-us-ascii mails (was: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch))
On 22-Jan-2002 11:05 David Shaw wrote: | |Create an application/pgp message? ([yes]/no): | | Since it's not an application/pgp message at this point, the prompt | should probably be something else. Thanks for the input David. In my haste, I forgot to update the messages to reflect the change. The new patch: http://www.woolridge.ca/mutt/patches/patch-1.3.26.dw.pgp-traditional.2 has the message changed to Create a text/plain pgp message? and all the language files have been updated accordingly (to the best of my ability). I simply changed application/pgp to text/plain pgp. The Slovakia entry (sk.po) doesn't have a reference to application/pgp, so I left it alone. Also, the German entry (de.po) had a parenthetical remark (to the effect of instead of RFC 2015), so I took the liberty of updating it to RFC 3156. -- -Dale
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
* Dave Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22/01/02, 08:43:27]: Good, provided you use a recent (beta) copy (e.g. 1.3.26). However, I'm having some stability problems (about 1 segfault/day), but hopefully this will be fixed soon. Did you report them? I have none. What's your OS/Distribution? Did you compile it yourself or did you get a binary? Greets Kai -- Kai Blin Webmasterof http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/thm/molgen/ Univ. of Tuebingen Inst. of Human Genetics fon +49-7071-2974890 Wilhelmstrasse 27 Dept. of Molecular Genetics fax +49-7071-295233 D-72074 Tuebingen Do molecular biologists wear designer genes?
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 18:08 * Christian Schoepplein said I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not funny to grub thru this messages, if they are quoted badly. I don't need I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't agree with you on that point! You don't *read* 1000 messages a day do you :) is good enough to handle most things quite well. But it annoyes me if unnecesary techniques were used, to get very simple things working. For example javaskript or flash are often difficult to handle for blind linuxusers, but many persons using this crap to setup a simple website. It And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such lengths to read sites like cnn.com. Just my 0.2$ to this monsterthread ;-). Yep, and it's still growing! - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TZ7rHpvrrTa6L5oRAkUqAJ9nPFyuB/ysINBFFDVOHLGekzZRmACfRTdf B8RvBKrp+E/4HXpwni7jue8= =OUXC -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such lengths to read sites like cnn.com. It's actually really easy to do in mozilla. Just add one line to your prefs.js and you're done, forever. No recurring annoyance, no per-site policies. user_pref(font.minimum-size.x-western, 13); See http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html for details. Search the page for the string Don't ever -- Mike Schiraldi VeriSign Applied Research smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Hello, Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in? history: Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it changes the Xterm-Title to the current edited file. When im leaving vim it changes to Thanks for using vim ;-) until next usage of vim. Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? regards Christoph --
Re: killing dupes
At 15:00 -0500 22 Jan 2002, cruciatuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i fetched my mail and in the meanwhile my computer crashed during a hd-error. now i fetched again and i got many dupes (in the mbox-file). mutt is intelligent as usual and shows me the dupes with = in the threads, but: is there an integrated function for cleaning the mbox-file? Not in 1.3.24, but with 1.3.26 or above you could use the new ~= pattern to match the duplicates and delete them. Assuming you have delete-pattern bound to D (the default): D~= -- Aaron Schrab [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.execpc.com/~aarons/ As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Christoph Kampe wrote: Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? only if you patch mutt. i think the debian package has the patch already. i can put the xtitles patch version relative to 1.3.2x up somewhere for you, or send you the patch via email if you'd like. w
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 18:51 * Christoph Kampe said Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? Why? Sorry I can't answer, just curious :) - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TacsHpvrrTa6L5oRAtHwAJ9PthZAQha3raBNSlurPW+VDKtJGACeIVOw 4uRqpdXceGgL4B3oquDQDSM= =idmr -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:45:21PM +0100, Christoph Kampe wrote: Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in? history: Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it changes the Xterm-Title to the current edited file. When im leaving vim it changes to Thanks for using vim ;-) until next usage of vim. Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? there's a patch, I believe (well, I know because I'm using it :) - I think it's linked from mutt.org: http://www.robots.ox.ac.uk/~neil/mutt/ I think I had to do some mods to it to patch 1.3.25, but who really knows :) it allows you to add things like this to your muttrc: set xterm_set_titles=yes set xterm_icon='Mutt (%?m?%mnone?%?n?/%n?)' set xterm_title=Mutt %?n?(%n new messages)? HTH, Dan -- Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg23575/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Christoph -- ...and then Christoph Kampe said... % % Hello, Hi! % % Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the % xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in? % % history: % Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it % changes the Xterm-Title to the current edited file. When im leaving vim % it changes to Thanks for using vim ;-) until next usage of vim. Aha! Check your vimrc (both private and system-wide) to see how it does it and then output the same control chars. % % Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name % of the mailbox i'm changing in? I believe you can output ansi codes, but have lost track of the thread. Check the archives to see. % % regards % Christoph % -- HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg23576/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
* David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on [22-01-02] wrote: Hey! On whose side are you? Oh, the betrayal! % % -- % % Nick Wilson % % Tel:+45 3325 0688 % Fax:+45 3325 0677 % Web:www.explodingnet.com % David, Some people seem to be turning over a new leaf after participating in this thread. Any chance you could save us another ~10 lines of useless information by not quoting peoples sigs? Brian 'then we will talk about your quote char' Foley
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:48:58AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Christoph Kampe wrote: Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? only if you patch mutt. i think the debian package has the patch already. i can put the xtitles patch version relative to 1.3.2x up somewhere for you, or send you the patch via email if you'd like. w I'd love a copy of this patch too, if you don't mind. By the way, is there any way to get mutt to start composing _after_ the quoted text instead of before it when replying? -- John Buttery The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed -- and thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. H.L. Mencken (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg23578/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Will Yardley wrote: i can put the xtitles patch version relative to 1.3.2x up somewhere for you, or send you the patch via email if you'd like. [disclaimer... i did NOT write this patch] ok here's the patch (it documents itself). i took the one on the mutt site and patched by hand for 1.3.x... seems to work ok for me tho. http://infinitejazz.net/will/geek/mutt.xterm.patch the version that's in the debian package for unstable is: http://infinitejazz.net/will/geek/patch.xterm.alt (should be pretty much the same). there's a little bit of fuzz, but should apply fine to 1.3.26/.27, and should work down to early 1.3.x stuff. the 1.2.5 patch is linked from the mutt site. someone was saying that this bit should be changed, but i'm not a programmer, so maybe someone else can give some feedback. i have $TERM set to xterm so it works, but if you have $TERM set to xterm-xfree86 (or xterm-color) it might not work since the first bit presumably is doing some sanity checking as well, it MIGHT work to take out the 'else if' line entirely, but i don't really know. /* Make sure that the terminal can take the control codes */ if (ep == NULL) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); else if (mutt_strcasecmp (ep, xterm) != 0) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); i have this: set xterm_set_titles set xterm_title=--[$USER@%h ]-%v--[%f ]--[%b inc %n/%m here]---(Sorting by %s/%S)%- in my .muttrc w
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Nick Wilson wrote: Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name of the mailbox i'm changing in? Why? Sorry I can't answer, just curious :) why? it's very useful to have information in the title bar when you have lots of windows open. i put lots of stuff up here for my shell prompt as well since i hate having clutter in my actual prompt. w
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:52:11AM -0600, John Buttery wrote: By the way, is there any way to get mutt to start composing _after_ the quoted text instead of before it when replying? it's not for mutt to do, it's your editor :) I have in my muttrc this line: set editor=vim -u ~/.mutt/vimrc -c ':0;/^$' which will tell vim to start after the headers, so I'll be positioned to trim the quoted text. if you wanted it to start at the end, you could do something like this (assuming you use vim, of course): set editor=vim -c ':%;?^$' HTH! -- Dan Boger Linux MVP brainbench.com msg23581/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: killing dupes
Aaron Schrab muttered: At 15:00 -0500 22 Jan 2002, cruciatuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there an integrated function for cleaning the mbox-file? Not in 1.3.24, but with 1.3.26 or above you could use the new ~= pattern to match the duplicates and delete them. Assuming you have delete-pattern bound to D (the default): D~= Cool, I love mutt, always something new. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
On 2002.01.22, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Buttery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, is there any way to get mutt to start composing _after_ the quoted text instead of before it when replying? set editor=vi '+$;?^?;+' + begin vi initialization commands $ go to end of file ; end of first command ?^?search backward for line beginning with ; end of second command + move ahead one line -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:30:19PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must say that the its speed in processing IMAP stores strikes me as slow. I think this is because mutt doesn't seem to have any caching mechanism. As a result, each tim you open an imap subfolder you have to wait for it to spool th count. If you have a folder with lots of messages this can be a substantial wait time. yes. I thought it was because of only using a P90 as IMAP Server, but after changing to NFS mounted ~/Mail everything is really faster (with the Same Maildir folders Courier IMAPd used!) If you archived locally and just kept y our inbox for initial reception it might not be too bad... well ... I have this computer on my LAN and also use it for archiving mails, so I have access from everywhere I am. -- Christian Ordig Germany
Re: back to quoting (was Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 15:58 * David T-G said % Anyone remember the subject or something of that thread, I'd like to % have a look at it. The subject was 'Quoting when replying', and it got nasty around 12/17. Whooa! That was almost as ugly as this thread has been in places. Geeks can be real bitchy huh? - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TbJqHpvrrTa6L5oRAorcAKCASWiA1sQyC1PxIE+2kSDr6cR3yACeKjQI VX4wX416f+TpdhFnb5h4sdY= =hRxI -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
Hi Nick! On Die, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:18:35 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not funny to grub thru this messages, if they are quoted badly. I don't need I don't think there's anyone who wouldn't agree with you on that point! You don't *read* 1000 messages a day do you :) Not every day, but sometimes I have to ;-). is good enough to handle most things quite well. But it annoyes me if unnecesary techniques were used, to get very simple things working. For example javaskript or flash are often difficult to handle for blind linuxusers, but many persons using this crap to setup a simple website. It And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such lengths to read sites like cnn.com. No, the problem is, that I have to work on the textbased console if I want to use linux, becouse there is no screenreader (speech or brailleoutput) for totaly blind people which makes the grafical enviroment (kde etc.) accessible. So I have to use for example lynx to visit websites, but lynx has no support for javascript. There are windowsscreenreaders who can handle javascript (for example jaws), but I don't want to use windows to much ;-). Linux is a perfect system for blind computerusers and even if you are restricted on the textbased enviroment you can do many things better than on m$-systems und there are a lot of very good programms (for example mutt ;-)). There are only to big problems for my: The first is the webbrowser and the second is an officeaplication wich is compartible with the ms-office (I sometimes hav to write text in word for my job). Best regards, Schoepp -- Christian Schoepplein| http://www.lily-rockt.de [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.lavish.de
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 22-01-02 at 19:31 * Dan Boger said I have in my muttrc this line: set editor=vim -u ~/.mutt/vimrc -c ':0;/^$' which will tell vim to start after the headers, so I'll be positioned to trim the quoted text. Fantastic! How might I incorporate a tw command in that? This is what I have for mine (nicked it from somewhere else so I don't understand all of it but it works :) set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et' Mucho grassy arse - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TbURHpvrrTa6L5oRAvSXAJ9sbhxBcF5WNXd+K8JYjhQe2jdGGACeItFR 31lPnCLt8Ec6DwBndUW6EZc= =uNLE -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: difficult-to-obtain smtppush
I wasn't aware that anyone was actually using it. :-) I suggest you use ssmtp instead as I haven't worked on smtppush in a long time. I removed it from my website because I didn't think it would be of use to anyone, and I don't have a copy of it unfortunately.
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
Nick Wilson wrote: How might I incorporate a tw command in that? This is what I have for mine (nicked it from somewhere else so I don't understand all of it but it works :) set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et' i have set editor=vim +'/^$/+1' -c 'set nohlsearch' +':set textwidth=72' +':set wrap' +':fixdel' +':set t_kD=' +':set noai' +':set bg=dark' +':syntax on' i actually have some of those in my .vimrc as well, so they're not really necessary, but you get the point. w
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * and then Christian Schoepplein blurted And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such lengths to read sites like cnn.com. No, the problem is, that I have to work on the textbased console if I want to use linux, becouse there is no screenreader (speech or brailleoutput) for totaly blind people which makes the grafical enviroment (kde etc.) accessible. So I have to use for example lynx to visit websites, but lynx has no support for javascript. There are windowsscreenreaders who can handle javascript (for example jaws), but I don't want to use windows to much ;-). Linux is a perfect system for blind computerusers and even if you are restricted on the textbased enviroment Is this because of the keystroke vs mouse click thing? I've been using more and more console apps over the last few months and generally find that programs like Mutt are sooo worth the initial learning curve with regard my eyesight /and/ general ease of use. I'd love it if you could send me (off list I think) any useful links on this topic. problems for my: The first is the webbrowser and the second is an officeaplication wich is compartible with the ms-office (I sometimes hav to write text in word for my job). Yeah, I can imagine. Lynx is great but only really good for techy sites and manuals and stuff. No idea about compatible office software, I use Star Office in X but even that isn't /really/ compatible. Take care - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8Tb1OHpvrrTa6L5oRAp3lAJsEW5C9HAGrIOQ9uDHsmz4NDr0uqgCfZFgv F2tpJwuaCncMSDGM/YPcofI= =K2HT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:18:14AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Nick Wilson wrote: How might I incorporate a tw command in that? This is what I have for mine (nicked it from somewhere else so I don't understand all of it but it works :) set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et' i have set editor=vim +'/^$/+1' -c 'set nohlsearch' +':set textwidth=72' +':set wrap' +':fixdel' +':set t_kD=' +':set noai' +':set bg=dark' +':syntax on' i actually have some of those in my .vimrc as well, so they're not really necessary, but you get the point. Another way to do this, to avoid really long 'editor' variables, and so that you can experiment with different settings without having to re-start mutt, is to use autocommands in your .vimrc, e.g., au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt-* set expandtab au BufNewFile,BufRead /tmp/mutt-* set formatoptions-=o Note also that you can set several options with one set command, e.g., set tw=72 wrap ai Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: Printer [pos. little OT]
On Dienstag, 22. Jan. 2002 at 09:47:26, Ken Wahl wrote: I remember I had the same problem when I first configured printing but I don't remember what exactly I did to fix it. I do remember it had to do with the print command itself. Here's what I have in my muttrc that currently works with my HP Office Jet 610: [settings for the printer in .muttrc] Hello Ken, what about the program muttprint. It prints pretty mails and you can also use it for other mailprograms and newsreaders. You can find it at freshmeat.net. I don't remember the homepage. There's also a Debian package, but it is version 0.60 and the current version is 0.61 which is much better and have a few settings more, especially for newsreaders like slrn. CU Michael -- Unix IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are. msg23593/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Printer [pos. little OT]
Michael Wagner wrote: what about the program muttprint. It prints pretty mails and you can also use it for other mailprograms and newsreaders. You can find it at freshmeat.net. I don't remember the homepage. check the archives for info on this too. i use enscript, which works really well for my applications. w
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020122 19:05]: since the first bit presumably is doing some sanity checking as well, it MIGHT work to take out the 'else if' line entirely, but i don't really know. /* Make sure that the terminal can take the control codes */ if (ep == NULL) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); else if (mutt_strcasecmp (ep, xterm) != 0) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); That did it for me (using wterm and $TERM set to 'rxvt') mdb -- You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * and then Dan Boger blurted I guess something like this? (I'm not a vim guru though) set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et;:0;/^$' My Vim didn't like that but I think I've got it licked now :) Cheers - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45 3325 0677 Web:www.explodingnet.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8TclXHpvrrTa6L5oRApGiAJ4yuXOSDIGsaNr9APbz8hc43bQaZgCfYyOK bdlAsdToZY3J6DZJaWNtz6g= =80Ux -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?
David, I use 1.3.9i and the IMAP functionality, while admittedly beyond comprehension in better than the 1.2x series, is still very slow. I'd really like to get more Mutt users here, but the slow spool and respool of the IMAP folders is a showstopper (versus PINE IMAP or Netscape Mail). It's a reasonable wait if you keep your IMAP folders 50 msgs. steven On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:43:42PM -0600, David Rock wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:37:55PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote: I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly, but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines. I use IMAP to access the Exchange server at work and have been pretty happy with it. You MUST be using a more current mutt, though (1.2.5i is SEVERELY lacking in IMAP support) -- David Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Steven G. Harms [my opinions are my own, not my employer's] Some mail readers may interpret this message as having an 'attachment' this is actually my cryptographic signature. Protect your privacy by using cryptography. You can get my public encryption key at: http://pgp.dtype.org:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xE84048BF msg23597/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to change xterm title depending on current mailbox
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 since the first bit presumably is doing some sanity checking as well, it MIGHT work to take out the 'else if' line entirely, but i don't really know. /* Make sure that the terminal can take the control codes */ if (ep == NULL) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); else if (mutt_strcasecmp (ep, xterm) != 0) unset_option (MuttVars[idx].data); That did it for me (using wterm and $TERM set to 'rxvt') Weird... did not do anything for meusing rxvt with $TERM set to rxvt... However setting $TERM to xterm did the trick igor - -- Uptime : 41 days, 12:43 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Tcp6xOY724kDbSARAjslAKCc0jh/mm3QYjClQ13Tu56eEb6/DQCfelr4 qN2H9CkVVDJHBW7Y0+N+UXs= =dO/Y -END PGP SIGNATURE-
