Re: TOFU
Hi, * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [2002-06-06 08:15:32 CEST] wrote: What's wrong with TOFU? Text Over Fullquote Underneath. Well, I don't know if ``TOFU'' refers to the same terrible tasting kind of plastic over at your location, too. So, here (in .de) it has at least 2 different meanings which need not to be true for other locations. To make it short: ``Text Above the Fullquote Underneath'' sounds a lot better, but since a few lusers won't understand it either, I chose TOFU (as a term, not as prefered practise and not as a replacement for whatever TOFU tries to replace) ... Cheers, Rocco
Re: gpg mutt
Hi, * David T-G [2002-06-06 00:22:02 CEST] wrote: I had the same problem recently and we traced it to the gpg exit code. It turns out that I had a bogus entry in my options file that caused gpg to not fail but not exit cleanly, and mutt noticed that. Wow, just to be curious, your solution is? I remember that discussion and the effects quite well, and in my case it only happens with messages which have inline instead of MIME-declared pgp signatures. I don't see any reason why GnuPG should return another exit status. And, what is why I gave up thinking GnuPG is the reason is the manpage: ,[ gpg(1) ]- | RETURN VALUE | The program returns 0 if everything was fine, 1 if at | least a signature was bad, and other error codes for fatal | errors. `- Mutt reports a non-verified signature if PGP's or GnuPG's return code was non-zero. According to the manpage, at least a signature has to bad to make this happen. But the signatures are okay. I already gave up on this issue, but maybe I'll spend some time using check_pgp_traditional instead of a procmail rule. Cheers, Rocco
Re: TOFU
--1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Rocco Rutte spake thus: Hi, =20 * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [2002-06-06 08:15:32 CEST] wrote: =20 What's wrong with TOFU? =20 Text Over Fullquote Underneath. =20 Well, I don't know if ``TOFU'' refers to the same terrible tasting kind of plastic over at your location, too. So, here (in .de) it has at least 2 different meanings which need not to be true for other locations. =20 To make it short: ``Text Above the Fullquote Underneath'' sounds a lot better, but since a few lusers won't understand it either, I chose TOFU (as a term, not as prefered practise and not as a replacement for whatever TOFU tries to replace) ... Well, when I asked what's wrong with TOFU, I was asking why TAFU was suggested for english instead of the original TOFU. I've never eaten tofu, and I don't intend to soon. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park http://members.shaw.ca/feztaa/ -- Applause, n: The echo of a platitude from the mouth of a fool. -- Ambrose Bierce --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8/wJ5PTh2iSBKeccRAinrAKCFFe+hYuLv6zfvN5SEyb4Q88QtfACeLJsf kIe5q/4B4QhqUqRLJp8cd/8= =QqO5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --1UWUbFP1cBYEclgG--
Re: save sent does not work porperly
* Andreas Reinhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-05 20:47]: although save sent is set in my .muttrc .. some mails are not saved in the specified folder. bzzzt. you did not specify anything. save is neither a command name nor a variable. you should get an error there on startup. try again. I can??t see why some mails aren??t saved, the majority of sent mails is correctly put in my sent-folder, but some are not. I just can??t figure out why... solar flares Sven
Re: How to save copy of resent message? - add fcc header
* John P Verel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-05 23:22]: I note that if I resend a message from, say, my outbox by doing ESC e to open it, edit and send the new message, no copy of the newly edited and sent message is placed in my outbox. Is there a way to change this behavior? no. feature. i keep forgetting why. workaround: add an fcc header yourself - or teach your editor to add one. easy. BTW, the resend-message function does not appear the manual for 1.2.5, but seems only to be documented in the help screen for the index. Should be in the manual, no? it's in the manual for mutt 1.3.28. (see attachment) upgrade mutt 1 2.5 to mutt 1.4 now! Sven -- Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mutt-versions] Latest versions: MUTT http://www.mutt.org/ news:comp.mail.mutt mutt-1.2.5 [2000-07-29] MUTT http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ mutt-1.3.99 [2002-05-02] MUTT MUTT - *the* mailer for UNIX with color, threading, IMAP+MIME+PGP+POP The Mutt E-Mail Client by Michael Elkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] version 1.3.28 resend-message (default: ESC e) With resend-message, mutt takes the current message as a template for a new message. This function is best described as recall from arbitrary folders. It can conveniently be used to forward MIME messages while preserving the original mail structure. Note that the amount of headers included here depends on the value of the ``$weed'' variable. This function is also available from the attachment menu. You can use this to easily resend a message which was included with a bounce message as a message/rfc822 body part.
Re: save sent does not work porperly
Andreas Reinhold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: although save sent is set in my .muttrc, some mails are not saved in the specified folder. I canŽt see why some mails arenŽt saved, the majority of sent mails is correctly put in my sent-folder, but some are not. Don't know what you mean by save sent? set record=+sent-mail works like charm. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: How to save copy of resent message?
On Jun 5, John P Verel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I note that if I resend a message from, say, my outbox by doing ESC e to open it, edit and send the new message, no copy of the newly edited and sent message is placed in my outbox. Is there a way to change this behavior? Since 1.3.28 resend-message honors $record and fcc settings. You should upgrade to 1.4.
Re: save sent does not work porperly
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:18:55AM +0200, Sven Guckes wrote: bzzzt. you did not specify anything. save is neither a command name nor a variable. you should get an error there on startup. try again. Uuuh, damn...I shouldnŽt drink post mails :) Of course it is this: set record = +sent the error stays the same :) Cheers, Andi -- If you can lead it to water and force it to drink, it isn't a horse. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nose-down.de
Re: How to save copy of resent message? - add fcc header
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-06 09:22 +0200]: * John P Verel [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-05 23:22]: I note that if I resend a message from, say, my outbox by doing ESC e to open it, edit and send the new message, no copy of the newly edited and sent message is placed in my outbox. Is there a way to change this behavior? no. feature. i keep forgetting why. no. bug. works at least in my version 1.3.28. Nicolas
Re: gpg mutt
Rocco, et al -- ...and then Rocco Rutte said... % % Hi, Hi! % % * David T-G [2002-06-06 00:22:02 CEST] wrote: % % I had the same problem recently and we traced it to the ... % % Wow, just to be curious, your solution is? To not declare my default keyring in my list of keyrings, since gpg would find it and then be told to find it, thereby corrupting the trustdb it was holding and thus forcing the bad exit. It got a little hairier with the move to 1.0.7, because the only way to get gpg to put keys where I wanted them (the catch-all ring) was to do some reordering. One of these days I'll come up with a gpg wrapper that generates the gawdawful command line (because temp options files suck) that will be necessary to have all of the keyrings available and yet drop a key into a particular ring (like when I'm reading mutt-users and want received keys to drop right into the mutt ring), or perhaps only for receiving so maybe I'd turn off auto-receive and then force a get-key (but auto-receive is so convenient, and once the work is done for one case it's done for all, so ...), but for now I'm happy enough that they go into the catch-all ring again (even if new keys that *I* generate do, too!). So the relevant parts of my options file now look about like # # I want to know what ring show-keyring # # if you want keys to land anywhere else, you can't have a default no-default-keyring # # keyrings to use (in search order) ### dumps into first one found(??) keyring pubring.catch-all-keys.gpg secret-keyring secring.catch-all-keys.gpg keyring pubring.gpg secret-keyring secring.gpg keyring pubring.davidtg-old-keys.gpg secret-keyring secring.davidtg-old-keys.gpg ... keyring pubring.mutt.gpg secret-keyring secring.mutt.gpg keyring pubring.misclists.gpg secret-keyring secring.misclists.gpg # # new for 1.0.7 to get keys automatically like it always did in 1.0.6 keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve Note that I have to list my catch-all ring first, and then I have to list the default ring since I said no-default in order to get catch-all to be the drop zone. It used to DWIM with no mention of the default ring (in fact, that was the source of the exit code problem, and so I pulled the spurious references and all was well) and catch-all at the bottom. Oh, yeah; the auto-key-retrieve bit isn't specific to rings but was a change in 1.0.7 and caused some troubles for folks on this list before. IMHO there were enough changes going on that this should have been 1.1.0 or some such; a *lot* of people happily upgraded to 1.0.7 and then found themselves seriously screwed up. Yeah, we all should have read every single line of the README and Changes files because obviously a quick gloss wasn't enough, but obviously we didn't. But I'm not part of the gnupg devel team, so I have no idea how or why they pick their numbers. % % I remember that discussion and the effects quite well, and % in my case it only happens with messages which have inline % instead of MIME-declared pgp signatures. I don't see any % reason why GnuPG should return another exit status. That certainly is odd. I have even less input on that than on my trustdb problem :-) but wish you luck. % % And, what is why I gave up thinking GnuPG is the reason is % the manpage: Well, maybe and maybe not. Have you checked your exit code? % % ,[ gpg(1) ]- % | RETURN VALUE % | The program returns 0 if everything was fine, 1 if at % | least a signature was bad, and other error codes for fatal % | errors. % `- % % Mutt reports a non-verified signature if PGP's or GnuPG's % return code was non-zero. According to the manpage, at least % a signature has to bad to make this happen. But the % signatures are okay. Well, yes, but it says at least a signature In my case, the problem was the corrupted trustdb caused by a double-read of a secret ring (which I know I would never have found on my own!). It might be nice if mutt reported back gpg's exit code, but since '1' can mean many things it isn't a silver bullet. % % I already gave up on this issue, but maybe I'll spend some % time using check_pgp_traditional instead of a procmail rule. That works pretty well for me; I no longer have the procmail rule in place. I traded some private email with a fellow who was using it and I said beware; it can cause problems and he replied that he had never had any difficulties -- and then very soon after asked if I had jinxed him because he suddenly had two :-) % % Cheers, Rocco HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28656/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Default folder for save attachements
Oliver -- ...and then Oliver Fuchs said... % % On Wed, 05 Jun 2002, David T-G wrote: % % I don't believe so; % % Yes, me too :-( % ... % The closest you can probably come is changing to there before starting mutt % % t is a good hint/idea ... If you haven't yet, be sure to check out some of the macros that other folks have posted. bol and eol to jump to the beginning and then back to the end of line sound quite slick, and don't mess up your folder searching when you're not looking only at your set list of mailboxes like a pre-cd would. % % Thank you Have fun! % % -- % ... don't touch the bang-bang fruit HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28657/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
List slow?
Hi all, I sent a message to this list. 10:28:55 +0200,i.e. 3.5h ago and it still doesn't show up. What's wrong? It's nether my account not working nor my relay that has trouble. Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Lotus Notes server?
* Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-05 22:07]: * darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-05 19:44]: Notes has an IMAP interface, which is, AFAIK, compatible with other IMAP implementations. I have co-worker who have used mutt with our internal Notes server without too many problems. without too many problems? how many exactly? This was about two years ago; I think the problems were with mutt's IMAP support (I remember him trying to diagnose segfaults), but I'm not sure, because it wasn't me, and I know better than to acknowledge the Notes server. ;) (darren) -- Alden's Laws: (1) Giving away baby clothes and furniture is the major cause of pregnancy. (2) Always be backlit. (3) Sit down whenever possible.
Re: List slow?
Michael -- ...and then Michael Tatge said... % % Hi all, Hello! % % I sent a message to this list. 10:28:55 +0200,i.e. 3.5h ago and it still That's odd. I've sent a few messages in the past few minutes and they've already shown up. Have you seen new stuff from me? % doesn't show up. What's wrong? It's nether my account not working nor my % relay that has trouble. I've deliberately added a cc: to you so that you'll get this if there's a problem with your list subscription. If you don't get this, let us know. % % Michael % -- % PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28660/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: List slow?
David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: % I sent a message to this list. 10:28:55 +0200,i.e. 3.5h ago and it still That's odd. I've sent a few messages in the past few minutes and they've already shown up. Have you seen new stuff from me? Yeah and you obviously received my List slow message, which I haven't receveid yet. % doesn't show up. What's wrong? It's nether my account not working nor my % relay that has trouble. I've deliberately added a cc: to you so that you'll get this if there's a problem with your list subscription. If you don't get this, let us know. CC received and it came in via the List as well. I seems that it's only my own messages that get lost. Strage! I'll cc: this you aswell, please let me know wether you'll get it, David. Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: List slow?
Michael -- ...and then Michael Tatge said... % % David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: % % I sent a message to this list. 10:28:55 +0200,i.e. 3.5h ago and it still % % That's odd. I've sent a few messages in the past few minutes and they've % already shown up. Have you seen new stuff from me? % % Yeah and you obviously received my List slow message, which I haven't % receveid yet. Oh, no; I hadn't received it yet, but felt a vision coming on... :-) % % % doesn't show up. What's wrong? It's nether my account not working nor my % % relay that has trouble. % % I've deliberately added a cc: to you so that you'll get this if there's a % problem with your list subscription. If you don't get this, let us know. % % CC received and it came in via the List as well. Good deal. % % I seems that it's only my own messages that get lost. Strage! I'll cc: this you aswell, please let me know wether you'll get it, David. I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo (in the list config, not muttrc) when you weren't looking? I received this thru gbnet but don't see any cc: on it... I filter duplicates so I'd go and check, but usually the direct copy gets here first and we see that this went to the list anyway. % % Michael % -- % PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28662/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Lotus Notes server?
On Thu, Jun 6, 2002, darren chamberlain wrote: This was about two years ago; I think the problems were with mutt's IMAP support (I remember him trying to diagnose segfaults), but I'm not sure, because it wasn't me, and I know better than to acknowledge the Notes server. ;) At this point I trust mutt a lot more than Notes, but no POP, no IMAP, etc. I guess the only way to use mutt with it is for someone to have actually gotten so annoyed that they made some way for mutt to connect to it. To her credit, my boss is also a Unix weenie. She still keeps her mail in a shell account (uses Pine or even mail!), and I am sure would jump at the chance to use some Unix MUA with our Notes mail. -Ken
Re: List slow?
David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: % I seems that it's only my own messages that get lost. Strage! Finally my messages (on this subject) arrived. So all is well. I wonder what happend to the message I was talking about, though. I'll just bounce it and see if it get's through now. I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo when you weren't looking? Well yes and no $metoo is unset. But that's how it should be. Michael -- ...and scantily clad females, of course. Who cares if it's below zero outside (By Linus Torvalds) PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: TOFU
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 08:18:05AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: So, there's no real equivalent term outside .de, I guess? It is easily rendered in English as Text Over, Fullquote Under. -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- You are confused; but this is your normal state.
Re: TOFU
This was a test-resend - I originally sent this message yesterday morning. So I was also a victim of the random message-munching mentioned in the List slow? thread. On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 09:15:23AM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 08:18:05AM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: So, there's no real equivalent term outside .de, I guess? It is easily rendered in English as Text Over, Fullquote Under. -- Mark REED | CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- You are confused; but this is your normal state. -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- If value corrupts then absolute value corrupts absolutely.
Re: List slow?
Michael, et al -- ...and then Michael Tatge said... % % David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: % % I seems that it's only my own messages that get lost. Strage! % % Finally my messages (on this subject) arrived. So all is well. I wonder Yay! % what happend to the message I was talking about, though. I'll just % bounce it and see if it get's through now. Interesting. % % I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo % when you weren't looking? % % Well yes and no $metoo is unset. But that's how it should be. No, no; you've misquoted me: I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo (in the list config, not muttrc) when you weren't looking? Of course $metoo is unset in your muttrc, and that's a fine setting, but I specifically pointed to the mailing list software rather than your local mutt configuration. The point is moot, because you eventually got your own traffic, but the difference matters :-) % % Michael % -- % ...and scantily clad females, of course. Who cares if it's below zero % outside % (By Linus Torvalds) % % PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28667/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: TOFU
Mark, et al -- ...and then Mark J. Reed said... % % This was a test-resend - I originally sent this message yesterday I wondered about that, thinking that I had seen it before... I had, in fact. I wonder whatssup. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28668/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: List slow?
Hi, * David T-G [2002-06-06 16:15:42 CEST] wrote: I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo (in the list config, not muttrc) when you weren't looking? Hmm, I thought this list is run by majordomo. I've only recognized the 'metoo' feature by Mailman (which is an even more worse decission). But anyways, what's the problem if messages take 2 hours to be delivered? 2 or 3 days are really a bit long, but this ain't chat, imho. Cheers, Rocco
Re: List slow?
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:43:59PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: * David T-G [2002-06-06 16:15:42 CEST] wrote: I forget how mutt-users is set up, but could you have turned off metoo (in the list config, not muttrc) when you weren't looking? Hmm, I thought this list is run by majordomo. I've only recognized the 'metoo' feature by Mailman (which is an even more worse decission). They are, however many features added locally. But anyways, what's the problem if messages take 2 hours to be delivered? 2 or 3 days are really a bit long, but this ain't chat, imho. Could be many problems, using mj_inject into qmail. Maybe there was a error connecting to your mailserver, so qmail backed off ? Could be lots of reasons ... Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Dafault for saving attachments
How do I set a default directory for saved attachments? Currently they go to my home directory but I'd like them to go to ~/attach or something. Thanks. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
Re: Dafault for saving attachments
Michael -- ...and then Michael Montagne said... % % How do I set a default directory for saved attachments? Currently they % go to my home directory but I'd like them to go to ~/attach or % something. Read the list archives over the past week. Heck, the past two days will do it, even. % % Thanks. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28672/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: List slow?
Hi, * Steve Kennedy [2002-06-06 16:47:10 CEST] wrote: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:43:59PM +0200, Rocco Rutte wrote: But anyways, what's the problem if messages take 2 hours to be delivered? 2 or 3 days are really a bit long, but this ain't chat, imho. Could be many problems, using mj_inject into qmail. Maybe there was a error connecting to your mailserver, so qmail backed off ? I didn't have time to look at qmail because Postfix does its job just too good. But the mail starting this thread took 2 hours to be delivered from the GBNet's server to my university while others are within a few seconds. Of course, there're too much possible reasons to dicuss here. If an answer arrives within a month or so, everything is okay. Cheers, Rocco
NuBe: upgrade question
Newbie question (ignore if you like rather than flame) . I made the switch from Redmond to Linux almost a year ago, and used KMail. Now I'm switching to Mutt as I get more comfortable with the command line. Presently I'm running Mutt 1.2.5 on RH 7.3. I've DL'd Mutt 1.4 but ran into an install problem. First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. ./mkinstalldirs /usr/bin/man/man1 mkdir -p -- /usr/bin/man/man1 mkdir: `/usr/bin/man' exists but is not a directory make[1]: *** [install] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/kosuke/downloads/rpm/mutt-1.4/doc' make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1 Obviously it ran into a problem since the man in /usr/bin is for the man pages. So here's my question (at long last!): Should I uninstall the Mutt 1.2.5 RPM, and then just do a default install of Mutt 1.4? I've already been using Mutt and have mail folders, etc that I don't want to lose. I know, I know, this is a newbie question and I should probably just do it and learn, but I've got a lot of mail and no time right now to spend trying to recover, hence this question and request for hand holding. Thanks Kevin -- Kevin Coyner mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG key: 1024D/8CE11941
Re: NuBe: upgrade question
First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison
[Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Thanks. That did the trick. Kevin - Forwarded message from Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:04:07 -0400 From: Mike Arrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NuBe: upgrade question To: Mutt Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison - End forwarded message - --
Re: NuBe: upgrade question
First I did which mutt and found it was in /usr/bin. So I figured when running the Mutt 1.4 configure script, that I needed --prefix=/usr/bin. So I ran the script and then as root did 'make install'. This, however reported an error in that it wanted to create a directory called man. you need --prefix=/usr It will then place binaries in /usr/bin and man pages in /usr/man/etc... -Mike Arrison - - End forwarded message - - -- -- End of mutt-users-digest V1 #1187 *
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Kevin -- Wow. TOFU, forwarding attribution in a reply context, mangling the Subject: line with brackets, and losing the References: headers -- all in one post! Ouch! If you need help to come up to speed and lose your Outlook-ly ways, please let us know. After all, I wouldn't want to lose my he-who-pisses-off-Sven-the-most title, you know :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28678/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot of work to put everything together. Ultimately that flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started is a steep learning curve, especially if you are relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command line. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can tell, I need to get procmail going too. Well, at least I'm having fun, and with some more studying, reading and the occasional lamer question to this group, I'll get it figured out. Thanks, Kevin PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:11:08PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Kevin -- Wow. TOFU, forwarding attribution in a reply context, mangling the Subject: line with brackets, and losing the References: headers -- all in one post! Ouch! If you need help to come up to speed and lose your Outlook-ly ways, please let us know. After all, I wouldn't want to lose my he-who-pisses-off-Sven-the-most title, you know :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! --
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. We all do. Don't worry; it'll come! % % I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot That's good! % of work to put everything together. Ultimately that That's understood. % flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started % is a steep learning curve, especially if you are % relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command I'm glad that you realize why that's the case and that it really is a Good Thing in the long run; some people just don't get it. % line. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch % from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with % vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can What's done is done, and that's all great, but if you find yourself having to muck with sendmail a lot then, since you fetch your mail and I thus hypothesize that you might be able also just smartrelay your mail back out, you might enjoy something lightweight like ssmtp. % tell, I need to get procmail going too. You really want to :-) There are alternatives, such as maildrop, but that's the whole point: you pick which ever tool fits your needs best in the long application chain you're building. % % Well, at least I'm having fun, and with some more Good! % studying, reading and the occasional lamer question to % this group, I'll get it figured out. Hey, everybody gets a few for free :-) % % Thanks, Kevin % % PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) Indeed it was. The Subject: line wasn't mangled and the threading worked. Now we'll have to work on your quoting :-) HTH HAND , again, welcome! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28680/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
recommend good address book
As the newest Mutt user on the block (and definitely still trying to figure things out), one of the things I'm leaving behind with KMail is the KAddressbook. The two integrated pretty well. I'm enjoying using Mutt, although mangling the messages, but am wondering whether there is a good console type address book to use with it? Thanks Kevin
Re: recommend good address book
Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % As the newest Mutt user on the block (and definitely still *grin* ... % % I'm enjoying using Mutt, although mangling the messages, but % am wondering whether there is a good console type address % book to use with it? 1) I don't use it, but I hear that abook is pretty good. 2) Check the archives for things like this. Lots of past discussion of alias management and address books right there for your reference. [The archives are linked from the mutt.org site, BTW.] % % Thanks % Kevin HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28682/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 19:33]: I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot of work to put everything together. You're right here. I think I needed two weeks to get everything together. Ultimately that flexibility is the beauty of Mutt, but to get started is a steep learning curve, especially if you are relatively new to Linux, and even newer to the command line. Just take your time. Everyone who wants to learn is welcome. It's certainly worth the effort. In the last 36 hrs since I've started the switch from KMail to Mutt, I've had to come to grips with vim, sendmail, fetchmail and mutt. And from what I can tell, I need to get procmail going too. I recommend Maildrop, the syntax is much easier. PS: was the format of this reply even slightly better? :-) Slightly, but the most visible thing is still here: It makes no sense to write the answer before the question. Either you refer to some text; then put your answer right behind it. Or you add something to a thread, but don't relate to any mail in particular; then just write what you want to write, Mutt will include references to the other mails. Thorsten -- Is there a suspect in your family? - Contact the Ministry of Information.
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what application chain would you recommend? At this point it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular reason other than they seem standard and common. What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning having more tools yet less complexity!)? Thanks again, Kevin On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 12:40:44PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Wow Wow. I see that I've a lot to learn. We all do. Don't worry; it'll come! % % I'm really liking Mutt, but in all honesty it's a lot
Re: recommend good address book
Kevin, I'm enjoying using Mutt, although mangling the messages, but am wondering whether there is a good console type address book to use with it? I agree that abook is good. In fact, it is the first project that to which I've felt obliged and able to contribute. Its source is simple, so if you don't like the way it does something, or you want to add a feature, it's easy. Yeah Open Source! -Mike Arrison
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Kevin, et al -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested % a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what % application chain would you recommend? At this point Heh. You'll find that you'll get a different answer from everyone you ask, so beware :-) Note to everyone else: I have interest in a religious war, but I'm too lazy to caveat my comments below. % it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm % not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Good plans. You can even play a bit with lots of things and come to your own conclusions! % % Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail % and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular % reason other than they seem standard and common. I've never liked sendmail and happily use qmail, but Dan Bernstein's software -- while robust, powerful, small, and secure -- isn't always the easiest to install or manage. Other options include exim and Postfix, and all have their zealots on this list. I'm not really advanced enough to consider myself a qmail zealot; I just use the stuff. Then there are ssmtp and friends for doing ultra-simple relaying through a smarthost; I haven't kept track of them but I know that many are listed in the archives; starting with ssmtp will no doubt turn up a few as well as give some hints for good search strings. I don't pop, and so I can't provide any opinion, but I've heard good things about fetchmail. If I were starting over I'd look at maildrop just because those who use it keep going on and on about the simplicity of the grammar. I don't know if it's any more or less powerful than procmail, but it sure sounds easier. % % What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning % having more tools yet less complexity!)? I can't think of any more tools you really need; you have something to read your mail, send your mail, get your mail, and filter your mail; that pretty much covers it. You might also be interested in SpamAssassin, an excellent spam-processing tool, and TMDA, a tool to mangle your address and then manage replies to those addresses. Let's see, here... The perl module Mail::Audit is in there somewhere, too; I think it's a filter. Archives :-) % % Thanks again, Kevin HTH HAND P.S. -- Do you note that I reply to your text as I go rather than sticking it all up at the top? That's what I mean about quoting style... :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28686/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Kevin -- ...and then David T-G said... % ... % I can't think of any more tools you really need; you have something to % read your mail, send your mail, get your mail, and filter your mail; that Oh, yeah. You've already started an address book discussion elsewhere. Another interesting tool is lbdb, the little brother database. It can pull in addresses from lots of different sources, and it can capture all addresses it sees as mail comes in, too. % HTH HAND again :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28687/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:04]: Let's see, here... The perl module Mail::Audit is in there somewhere, too; I think it's a filter. Archives :-) This is a powerful filter if you know Perl. I wouldn't recommend it if you don't. Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Kevin Coyner said: Since I'm just getting started and haven't invested a huge amount of time, effort and config files yet, what application chain would you recommend? At this point it won't be hard for me to make major changes since I'm not set in my ways nor have any predispositions. Right now I'm headed towards: mutt, sendmail, fetchmail and procmail. But I'm selecting these for no particular reason other than they seem standard and common. What might be a better setup (with 'better' meaning having more tools yet less complexity!)? mutt is good -- but on this list, did you expect any disagreement? sendmail is the most complex MUA. I highly recommend any of the big three alternatives: qmail, Postfix, and exim. If you use Debian Linux, exim is your default and extremely easy to setup. No matter what OS you use, if qmail is your choice, please install it from source and using the www.lifewithqmail.org guide. getmail is simpler than fetchmail, but not as powerful. maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. The basics - duplicate elimination, filtering mail through SpamAssassin, sorting mail into folders, dropping idiots you never want to hear from again - can be done in a less arcane way in maildrop. -dsr-
Re: NuBe: upgrade question
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 11:58:18AM -0400, Kevin wrote: So here's my question (at long last!): Should I uninstall the Mutt 1.2.5 RPM, and then just do a default install of Mutt 1.4? I've already been using Mutt and have mail folders, etc that I don't want to lose. it may be too late but i would recommend you remove the old rpm as there are a number of things that will hang around and might mislead you. the manual comes to mind. also, if you are fairly new to linux and the manual build process, there are precompiled version of mutt in rpm format, links can be found from mutt.org somewhere. that being said, if you want to, i encourage building of stuff from scratch as a learning process. be advised, if you have installed the 1.4 mutt you compiled and then remove the rpm, you will likely remove your 1.4 executable but you should be able to go back into your build dir and do another make install to put your new 1.4 mutt back. I know, I know, this is a newbie question and I should probably just do it and learn, but I've got a lot of mail and no time right now to spend trying to recover, hence this question and request for hand holding. yuck, clamy palms ;-) -- Peter Abplanalp Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: pgp.mit.edu msg28690/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. (Background: I used Procmail for a few years, then went looking for an alternative. I found Maildrop, liked it, but found Mail::Audit much more powerful, so I never used Maildrop.) Thorsten -- The history of Liberty is a history of the limitation of government power. - Woodrow Wilson
3 quick questions
First, thanks to everyone so far for their help. I'm finding Mutt challenging but fun, and with the help from this group, it's even better. Second, 3 quick questions: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two addresses in the From header. I tried setting 'set alternates = the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. So some general guidance would be appreciated here. I'm getting the feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all that out yet. Thanks Kevin
Re: 3 quick questions
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. I believe that once you've synchronized the folder, deleted messages are gone for good. 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? Yup - hit $ 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. The way I do this is by having edit_headers set, and having a vim macro that changes the From: address. The mutt variable $alternates only affects what Mutt recognizes as mail sent by or to you, which in turn affects how it gets displayed in the index and whether you get included on group replies. -- Mark REED| CNN Internet Technology 1 CNN Center Rm SW0831G | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Atlanta, GA 30348 USA | +1 404 827 4754 -- It is a human characteristic to love little animals, especially if they're attractive in some way. -- McCoy, The Trouble with Tribbles, stardate 4525.6
Re: 3 quick questions
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. of course they're truly deleted... I mean, if I wanted mutt to move them to, say, a Trash folder, I'd save them there myself! But mutt being so nice, you can make a macro, so that D will do s=Trash\n instead of actually deleting the message. 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? yup - '$' by default, I believe. Look for 'sync-mailbox' in the manual. 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two addresses in the From header. I tried setting 'set alternates = the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. So some general guidance would be appreciated here. I'm getting the feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all that out yet. this is really a FAQ, and if we have a canned answer for this question, I'd love the pointer... You can use *-hooks, if you always want to send from a certain folder as a certain address, or when replying to certain emails. What I use though is a bunch of macros, that will change my current setup, so that every message from now on will be sent as a new profile... so something like (from memory, untested): macro index F5 ':set [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n:set signature=~/.sig-addr' macro index F6 ':set [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n:set signature=~/.sig-addr2' etc... HTH! -- Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg28694/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 3 quick questions
Kevin Coyner wrote: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. they go to the great bit-bucket in the sky. you can use a macro (see the archives) to bind 'd' to save messages to a folder, or better, you can apply cedric duval's excellent trash folder patch. speaking of which, is there a reason this isn't integrated into mutt? while it may perhaps be true that real geeks mean delete when they say delete, this does seem like a feature that would be useful for a lot of people. 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? sync-mailbox (x by default, i believe). I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. one thing would be to set $alternates correctly and then set $reverse_name so that you reply with the address the message was sent to. you could also look at send-hooks, message-hooks, and folder-hooks. -- Will Yardley input: william hq . newdream . net .
Re: 3 quick questions
Kevin -- ...and then Kevin Coyner said... % % First, thanks to everyone so far for their help. I'm finding % Mutt challenging but fun, and with the help from this group, % it's even better. Yay! % % Second, 3 quick questions: % % 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of % trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and % just like using rm on files, there's no going back. With the stock version, that's the way it is. Cedric Duval has written a very nice trash folder patch, which can be found at http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/ or on my cocktail page at http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail for your nabbing. Now that you've built mutt once, build it again :-) Other folks have in the past whipped up some macros that bind 'd' to actually save to some other folder where you *then* really delete the messages later. % % 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've % marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will % flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? You've seen the sync command in Mark's reply, I figure. % % 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have % three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. ... % addresses in the From header. I tried setting 'set alternates = % the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. So some alternates is good, but not the whole story. % general guidance would be appreciated here. I'm getting the % feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all % that out yet. You want to set $reverse_name so that you will reply to a message using the address to which it was sent. If you just want to send a fresh message as a certain account, then a send-hook might help you (so that you can pick your identity based on where you're sending) or using a folder-hook and sending from that folder or, as a last resort, just having macros that change who you are with a keystroke or two. % % Thanks % Kevin % HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28696/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 3 quick questions
Kevin -- ...and then David T-G said... % ... % folder or, as a last resort, just having macros that change who you are % with a keystroke or two. One more trick: putting all of the identity-specific information (name, address, sig, fun X-headers, etcetc) into its own rc file and then sourcing that rc file from your macro stroke. For me a default identity plus some send-hook settings works, but if you want to actively use more than one persona this will probably work out well. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg28697/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 3 quick questions
Kevin, You are bringing back memories of two months ago when I started using mutt. So far every day has been better than the previous. Ain't it great? Anyway, I can't help with all your questions, but: On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two I use folder hooks to set my from based on my current folder like this: folder-hook !+(folder1|folder2) 'set from=Me [EMAIL PROTECTED]' folder-hook +(folder1|folder2) 'set from=Me [EMAIL PROTECTED]' But sometimes I start composing a mail in the wrong folder and it was a pain to save it, then open back up in the right folder. So with some help from fellow mutters, I now use these macros to change from info on command: alias Me1 Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias Me2 Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] macro compose 1 edit-from^UMe1^M Set From to Me1 macro compose 2 edit-from^UMe2^M Set From to Me2 I sanatized my information here a bit, so forgive me if there are syntax mistakes. :) -Mike Arrison
Re: 3 quick questions
On Thu, Jun 6, 2002, Dan Boger wrote: this is really a FAQ, and if we have a canned answer for this question, I'd love the pointer... You can use *-hooks, if you always want to send from a certain folder as a certain address, or when replying to certain emails. What I use though is a bunch of macros, that will change my current setup, so that every message from now on will be sent as a new profile... so something like (from memory, untested): macro index F5 ':set [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n:set signature=~/.sig-addr' macro index F6 ':set [EMAIL PROTECTED]\n:set signature=~/.sig-addr2' Well here's a feature request. I wish there were an option to have mutt prompt you for which return address to use, being able to pick from a menu of addresses set somewhere in the muttrc. Any possibility? -Ken
Re: 3 quick questions
Moin, * Kevin Coyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 22:14]: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. They are just gone. There's help though: I use Cedric Duval's Trash Folder Patch for a long time without problems: http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/index.php3#trash 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? It's sync-mailbox, bound to $ by default. 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two addresses in the From header. First, I have my own addresses in Mutt's alias file. That way, I can quickly change the address I want to use. Second, I set $reverse_name to set the sender address of the new mail to the receiver address of the mail you want to answer. Third, I use send-hooks. I tried setting 'set alternates = the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. You should do that anyway, so that Mutt knows about your addresses. I'm getting the feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all that out yet. I use this hook for this list: send-hook '~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]' 'my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Thorsten -- begin 666 magritte.txt.vbs Ceci n'est pas un attachement. end
Re: 3 quick questions
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 04:14:30PM -0400, Kevin Coyner wrote: First, thanks to everyone so far for their help. I'm finding Mutt challenging but fun, and with the help from this group, it's even better. Second, 3 quick questions: 1. Where do D (deleted) msgs go? Is there an equivalent of trash, or am I truly out of the disneyland GUI world now and just like using rm on files, there's no going back. They go to the bit bucket, irretrievably. If you don't like that, there are two solutions. One is to use macros to make 'd' and related commands save the messages to a trash folder. The trouble with that is that it's difficult to catch all the cases, and personally I think a system that saves your deletions only part of the time is worse than one that doesn't save them at all. The second solution is to apply a patch that saves deletions to a trash folder. This should be safer. I don't know offhand where to find it, though. 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? Yes. $ 3. This is the question that bothers me most: Let's say I have three email POP3 email accounts on three different ISP/domains. I've got fetchmail set up to fetch from all three. But what I can't figure out is how I can, on the fly, select any one of these accounts to be my From: and Reply-to: address. Presently I have my .muttrc setup with set from = [EMAIL PROTECTED] and this has each and every msg going out with that From address. But there are times when I need to use one of those other two addresses in the From header. I tried setting 'set alternates = the other accts', but that didn't seem to do it. So some general guidance would be appreciated here. I'm getting the feeling I'll need to use hooks, but I haven't quite figured all that out yet. In addition to setting 'alternates', set 'reverse_name'. Then, as the manual says, the default From: line of the reply messages is built using the address where you received the messages you are replying to. If your want your From: line set by some other criterion, such as the recipient's name or the folder, then you will need to use a send-hook or a folder-hook. To set it arbitrarily, a macro is probably best. HTH, Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: 3 quick questions
On Thu, Jun 06, 2002 at 01:47:58PM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: In addition to setting 'alternates', set 'reverse_name'. Then, as the manual says, the default From: line of the reply messages is built using the address where you received the messages you are replying to. If your want your From: line set by some other criterion, such as the recipient's name or the folder, then you will need to use a send-hook or a folder-hook. To set it arbitrarily, a macro is probably best. That works for most things, but not some mailing lists. For those I had to add send-hooks like this: send-hook [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'my_hdr From: Patrick Draper [EMAIL PROTECTED]' It took me a while to figure this out. -- Patrick Draper| Don't |[EMAIL PROTECTED] Austin, Texas | Fear |Father Order runs at a http://www.pdrap.org | The|good pace, but old Mother Be Microsoft Free - Use Linux |Penguin |Chaos is winning the race.
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Thorsten Haude said: * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. (Background: I used Procmail for a few years, then went looking for an alternative. I found Maildrop, liked it, but found Mail::Audit much more powerful, so I never used Maildrop.) ...whereas I use procmail at work and maildrop at home. The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. If it were only a bit more powerful, one could managed named functions and procedures, which would be nice, but at that point, one might as well go to Mail::Audit and have all of Perl at your command. -dsr-
Re: 3 quick questions
Well here's a feature request. I wish there were an option to have mutt prompt you for which return address to use, being able to pick from a menu of addresses set somewhere in the muttrc. Any possibility? Sure, just use this simple command from within mutt: !cd /usr/src/mutt $EDITOR *.[ch] make sudo make install Then just quit mutt and start it up again. Of course, you'll need to type certain keystrokes while in the editor, but since that varies based on exactly which editor you use, i'll leave that part up to you. :) msg28704/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question]
Hi, * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 21:54]: Thorsten Haude said: * -dsr- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 20:34]: maildrop has a simpler configuration language than procmail, but is again not quite as powerful. Since I am one of the most vocal Supporters of Maildrop, I would be interested to hear some examples where Procmail can do more. The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. I never heard of these modules, neither has my manpage. Are you talking about the wide range of Procmail rules you can find in the wild? (Certainly more than Maildrop rules.) Thorsten -- When the government fears the people, it is liberty. When the people fear the government, it is tyranny. - Thomas Paine
Re: 3 quick questions
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-06-06 13:28 -0700]: you can use a macro (see the archives) to bind 'd' to save messages to a folder, or better, you can apply cedric duval's excellent trash folder patch. http://cedricduval.free.fr/mutt/ 2. When I'm in the index mode with all mail listed and I've marked a bunch with D, is there a keystroke command that will flush out all of the D items so there's only N or O mail in there? sync-mailbox (x by default, i believe). $ IIRC Nicolas
Color with folder-hooks and status changes
Hi, I've recently noticed an issue with my attempt to color some index entries on a per mailbox basis using the folder-hook command. The desired effect (expressed with the snip-it below) is to color mail from myself blue, except if I'm looking at the mbox that stores my outbound messages. However, if I go to tag/delete/flag one of these messages, they do not follow the color scheme for the desired status. Instead they remain either (blue,black) or (white,black) with respect to whatever mbox is currently active. The desired effect would be to have the behavior of the hooks as well as always changing color for status changes (such as tagging, etc.) --muttrc SNIP-- folder-hook . 'color index blue black ~f jishac' folder-hook =sent 'color index white black ~f jishac' color index black red ~D color index red black ~F color index magenta black ~T --END SNIP-- converting [color index magenta black ~T] to [folder-hook . 'color index magenta black ~T'] doesn't work either, as the message remains blue/white upon being tagged. Any insight? Thanks. -Joseph
Re: Color with folder-hooks and status changes
* On Thu, 06 Jun 2002, Joseph Ishac wrote: The desired effect would be to have the behavior of the hooks as well as always changing color for status changes (such as tagging, etc.) I beleive the color used depends on the *last* matching color index statement, so you might have to include the ~D, ~F, and ~T ones in your folder-hook *after* the ~f one. -- John
Re: 3 quick questions
in message 20020606201430.GA25992@sumida, wrote Kevin Coyner thusly... Second, 3 quick questions: this is getting ridiculous people! use more descriptive subject instead of help equivalent. if cannot come up w/ a unified subject, ask in separate e-mails then. - parv --
Mailfilter (was: Re: [Re: NuBe: upgrade question])
Hi, * Thorsten Haude [2002-06-07 23:20:42 CEST] wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-06 21:54]: The primary example of procmail's power is the ability to create, call and distribute modules. I never heard of these modules, neither has my manpage. Are you talking about the wide range of Procmail rules you can find in the wild? (Certainly more than Maildrop rules.) I think he's talking about the possibility to exluce certain syntax elements into other files, say ``modules''. But, I've had a quick look at Mail::Audit any maybe I'll spend some time on it. This isn't exactly the right place to discuss, but I heavliy rely on the cloning feature of procmail. The introduction to Mail::Audit I've read doesn't say anything about this one but Mail::Audit would stop after I take an action on a mail (sure, I could use multiple Mail::Audit filters to deliver to, but...). Is that possible? Cheers, Rocco
Re: Mailfilter
Moin,
* Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-06-07 05:18]:
This isn't exactly the right place to discuss, but I heavliy
rely on the cloning feature of procmail. The introduction to
Mail::Audit I've read doesn't say anything about this one
but Mail::Audit would stop after I take an action on a mail
(sure, I could use multiple Mail::Audit filters to deliver
to, but...). Is that possible?
It stops by default, just like Procmail does, but you can change that.
I make backups at the beginning of my ruleset:
$mail-accept({noexit = 1}, $backup);
Thorsten
--
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Mailfilter
Hi,
* Thorsten Haude [02-06-07 06:14:30 +0200] wrote:
[ Perl::Mail::Audit ]
It stops by default, just like Procmail does, but you can
change that. I make backups at the beginning of my
ruleset:
$mail-accept({noexit = 1}, $backup);
Sounds good. If you don't mind, let me ask one more question
(since it's absolutely essential): what about reading mail
back from a pipe? For me, it's necessary to change stuff
within a pipe (Perl, mostly ;-) and then process it as usual.
I hope I don't have to pipe mail through my filter and than
pipe it into another instance of Mail::Audit...
Cheers, Rocco
