Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2014-09-13, Will Yardley wrote: I don't think the stuff_all_quoted patch has been kept up to date. No, it hasn't. One reason is that I no longer work at the company where mutt was my primary mail client and where I regularly received all sorts of different mail formats including

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-14 Thread Alexander Gattin
Hello, 13.09.2014, 18:11, Russell Urquhart russurquha...@verizon.net: Can someone tell me where these log files are/what their names are? I can't seem to find them readily. The last log file is in your home directory and it's named `.muttdebug0'. It's a dotfile, so `ls' will show it only when

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-14 Thread Russell Urquhart
Hi, On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 06:06:26PM +0400, Alexander Gattin wrote: Hello, The last log file is in your home directory and it's named `.muttdebug0'. It's a dotfile, so `ls' will show it only when run with `-a' or `-A' option. I have looked all over my drive but i can't find this file. I

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Will Yardley
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:36:28PM -0700, Gary Johnson wrote: On 2014-09-13, Will Yardley wrote: I don't think the stuff_all_quoted patch has been kept up to date. No, it hasn't. One reason is that I no longer work at the company where mutt was my primary mail client and where I

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-14 Thread Eliana
What operating system are you using? If it is a Linux system, you would use ls -alt .muttdebug* to list the mutt debug files from the command line. And need to do it from the command line, a file viewer will not detect the files, unless you possibly symlink to them with non-dot.file names.

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-14 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:42:19AM -0700, Eliana wrote: What operating system are you using? If it is a Linux system, you would use ls -alt .muttdebug* to list the mutt debug files from the command line. And need to do it from the command line, a file viewer will not detect the files,

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Sep2014 23:36, Gary Johnson garyj...@spocom.com wrote: On 2014-09-13, Will Yardley wrote: I don't think the stuff_all_quoted patch has been kept up to date. No, it hasn't. One reason is that I no longer work at the company where mutt was my primary mail client and where I regularly

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Mark Filipak
=== Lurk-Mode OFF === I created a minor civil war on the Mozilla list when I proposed that text NOT be flowed at all; that it's the responsibility of the viewing application to format messages to the user's specification; that formatting should NOT be coded within messages. Flowing and rewrapping

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Will Yardley
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:05:17PM -0400, Mark Filipak wrote: I created a minor civil war on the Mozilla list when I proposed that text NOT be flowed at all; that it's the responsibility of the viewing application to format messages to the user's specification; that formatting should NOT be

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Will Yardley mutt-us...@veggiechinese.net [09-14-14 19:29]: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 07:05:17PM -0400, Mark Filipak wrote: I created a minor civil war on the Mozilla list when I proposed that text NOT be flowed at all; that it's the responsibility of the viewing application to format

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 08:20:06PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: The *real* problem is that email is a text function and all the fancy formatting is irrelevant. Sentence structure,tables and paragraphs suffice. And all the jump-thru-hoops to present some fancy display disappear. That is

Re: SMTP Authentication fails with 1.5.23 on Verizon

2014-09-14 Thread Tom Fowle
Just to be sure you created the .debug files, don't forget the -d# command line option when envoking mutt to debug. Try to keep the session as -short as possible just enough work to show the problem. This keeps the log -files more manageable. The # in the -d option defines the debug level, 0-4

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2014-09-14, Derek Martin wrote: This is one important way in which the hand some functionality off to another program model falls down. I don't think that this is a problem with that model. There is no reason that an e-mail client should not hand off the task of editing a message to an

Re: Format flowed equals no space in depth 1

2014-09-14 Thread Mark Filipak
=== Lurk-Mode OFF === I hesitate to be drawn in... but... See what a hot-button topic formatting is? Will, Do you equate quoted text with characters at the beginning of lines? Think about it. Embedding that stuff in the actual messages is dumb, don't you agree? It could/should be handled as