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On Saturday, July 18 at 02:41 PM, quoth lee:
Hmm, well, I guess I see your point, but not even mutt supports
batch-decoding like that. Do you perhaps have a perl script of some
kind that you use to bulk-decode like that?
Unfortunately not;
At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 04:50:05 +0100,
Noah Slater wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:37:04PM -0600, lee wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:51:05PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:37:32PM -0600, lee wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it isn't defined anywhere. But
At Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:54:15 -0500,
Kyle Wheeler wrote:
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On Saturday, July 18 at 02:41 PM, quoth lee:
Hmm, well, I guess I see your point, but not even mutt supports
batch-decoding like that. Do you perhaps have a perl script of some
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:21:29AM -0600, lee wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 02:36:41PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
I guess in some general sense you are correct, but within the
context of a MUA, an attachment has a very specific and well defined
meaning, that is much more narrow than this.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:28:35PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Friday, July 17 at 03:58 PM, quoth lee:
Hm, somehow I've never had that problem. When reading the message, I
find out if something is attached.
You're lucky!
Yay! ;)
But every now and then, I still manage to miss an
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:20:49PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:21:29AM -0600, lee wrote:
Well, I'm not trying to mislead someone. Where is defined what an
attachment is for the context of a MUA, and who made the definition?
To the best of my knowledge, it isn't
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:37:32PM -0600, lee wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it isn't defined anywhere. But that doesn't
matter.
The common understanding of an attachment is that it is a file, with a
filename,
that has been sent as a separate item from the message.
Well, then
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:51:05PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:37:32PM -0600, lee wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it isn't defined anywhere. But that doesn't
matter.
The common understanding of an attachment is that it is a file, with a
filename,
that
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:37:04PM -0600, lee wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:51:05PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 03:37:32PM -0600, lee wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it isn't defined anywhere. But that
doesn't matter.
The common understanding of an
On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 09:37:04PM -0600, lee wrote:
I'm not sure what prescriptivist means. See Message-ID:
20090718204148.ga8...@cat.rubenette.is-a-geek.com,
there's an explanation why I could maintain saying that.
Sorry, you might have that. Here's the References: header
(which you
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:48:45AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Thursday, July 16 at 10:51 PM, quoth lee:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:16:57PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
But anyway, I don't consider this message to have ANY attachments.
The person didn't send me any extra files to look at.
++ 16/07/09 09:03 -0500 - Kyle Wheeler:
Since mutt is set to prefer text/plain, all I see is the plain text
message, with no indication that there is an attachment (or even an
html part).
First, of course there's no obvious indication that there's an html
part. Why should there be? Unless
Hey,
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:16:57PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
I 1 no description[multipart/alternative]
I 2 |-no description [text/plain]
I 3 `-no description [text/html]
[...]
But anyway, I don't consider this message to have ANY attachments.
On
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 02:36:41PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
I guess in some general sense you are correct, but within the
context of a MUA, an attachment has a very specific and well defined
meaning, that is much more narrow than this.
Well, I'm not trying to mislead someone. Where is defined
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:39:19AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
No, I mean that MIME components (aka entities) have meanings that
affect the interpretation of other MIME entities.
ok
I could appeal to something like Wikipedia (which says an email
attachment is a computer file which is sent
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:37:50AM -0500, David Champion wrote:
* On 17 Jul 2009, lee wrote:
Well, I'm not trying to mislead someone. Where is defined what an
attachment is for the context of a MUA, and who made the definition?
Content-Disposition's role is described in RFC 2183. But
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On Friday, July 17 at 11:37 AM, quoth lee:
Mutt already supports this in that you can specify what things
should qualify as attachments and be counted. The problem is that
the counting doesn't work right.
Agreed!
What's the utility of your
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On Friday, July 17 at 12:18 PM, quoth lee:
Is there an RFC that defines how a MUA is supposed to deal with such
multipart messages? RFC 2183 seems to (reasonably) say only a
minimum about what MUAs should do.
Not that I know of... The closest
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On Friday, July 17 at 01:56 PM, quoth Kyle Wheeler:
On Friday, July 17 at 12:18 PM, quoth lee:
Is there an RFC that defines how a MUA is supposed to deal with such
multipart messages? RFC 2183 seems to (reasonably) say only a
minimum about what
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 01:56:45PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
In other words, I think the suggestion here is to count attachments
from only ONE of the alternatives, not from all of the alternatives,
because to count attachments in ALL of the alternatives is
equivalent to being show multiple
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 02:04:15PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
Actually, RFC 2046 is more recent, but says nearly the exact same
thing. It adds:
Systems should recognize that the content of the various parts [of
multipart/alternative sections] are interchangeable. Systems
On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 01:38:04PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
For example, I often get emails from corporate secretaries that use
Outlook and some goofy HTML stationery (complete with background
picture, goofy fonts, corporate logo, etc.). Knowing that it's a
complex MIME structure isn't a
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On Friday, July 17 at 03:58 PM, quoth lee:
Hm, somehow I've never had that problem. When reading the message, I
find out if something is attached.
You're lucky! These days, I usually use the size as an indicator. A
message that's 10K or so is
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:31:26AM -0400, Tim Gray wrote:
On Wed 15, Jul'09 at 10:08 PM -0600, lee wrote:
And more general, is there a way to get an indication that a mail does
have an attachment or attachments? I would give them a different color
in the list; that would prevent me from
On Wed 15, Jul'09 at 11:59 PM -0600, lee wrote:
Hm, I was reading the manual, and there's an object attachment that
can be used with color. But I don't understand what that is for:
That colors the attachment in message display, like this:
[-- Attachment #1 --]
[-- Type: multipart/alternative,
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On Wednesday, July 15 at 11:02 PM, quoth Tim Gray:
I have my alternative_order set to text/plain text/html.
So do I.
However I have some people who use a mailer (Apple Mail) that send
multipart/alternative messages with attachments.
How
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On Wednesday, July 15 at 11:59 PM, quoth lee:
You can also use the %X sequence in your index_format definition to
display the number of attachments in a message. However, I don't
think either of those methods pick up on inline attachments.
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On Thursday, July 16 at 08:17 AM, quoth Tim Gray:
Playing around last night, I see if I set add 'multipart/related
multipart/mixed' to the front of my alternative order, it does pick
up these messages from Apple Mail and display them.
Huh!
On Thu 16, Jul'09 at 9:19 AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
Here's a wacky message structure my mom sent me (using Apple Mail):
I 1 no description[multipa/alterna, 7bit, 653K]
I 2 |-no description [text/plain, utf-8, 2.0K]
I 3 `-no description [multipa/mixed,
On Thu 16, Jul'09 at 9:03 AM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
It depends on what you're going for. I recommend an attachment counter in
$pager_format.
I didn't realize this was there. I think that's what I was asking for.
Thanks.
I'll also start hitting them with some bug reports. I have an
* On 16 Jul 2009, Tim Gray wrote:
I 1 no description[multipa/alterna, 7bit, 653K]
I 2 |-no description [text/plain, utf-8, 2.0K]
I 3 `-no description [multipa/mixed, 7bit, 651K]
I 4 |-no description [text/html, quoted, windows-1252, 3.0K]
I
On Thu 16, Jul'09 at 10:49 AM -0500, David Champion wrote:
The best combination of efficiency and accuracy for this message would
have been:
multipart/mixed
- multipart/alternative
- multipart/mixed
- text/plain
- application/pdf (reference, no content)
`- text/plain
`- multipart/mixed
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On Thursday, July 16 at 10:49 AM, quoth David Champion:
The attachment-counting algorithm has a flag that decides whether to
traverse (recurse) the container types while looking for attachments
* On 16 Jul 2009, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
Multipart/alternative containers are specifically excluded from ever
being traversed. Why? Because mutt at this stage has no way of knowing
which alternative in a multipart/alternative you want looked at.
Well, it's not an issue of which
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On Thursday, July 16 at 01:40 PM, quoth David Champion:
Thus, for attachment counting purposes, we can reasonably decide to
ALWAYS count *only* the attachments within the last alternative in
a multipart/alternative MIME section. That's the one
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 01:14:22PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
If you want to add a config option to allow it to count ALL
alternatives, that's fine by me, but I think counting only the last
alternative is perfectly reasonable and compliant.
Well, I think it depends on what the user of mutt
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:23:40PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
Of course, like I said, I'm more worried about incorrectly saying
there are 0 attachments when there is in fact (at least) 1 than I am
with incorrectly saying there are 3 attachments when there are in fact
(depending on how you
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On Thursday, July 16 at 08:18 PM, quoth lee:
The definition of attachment is not as clear as you would think.
For example, we tend to think of MIME components whose type is
text/* as not being attachments, but sometimes they can be (e.g.
if I
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On Thursday, July 16 at 08:56 PM, quoth lee:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 02:23:40PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
Of course, like I said, I'm more worried about incorrectly saying
there are 0 attachments when there is in fact (at least) 1 than I am
On Thu 16, Jul'09 at 10:16 PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
But anyway, I don't consider this message to have ANY attachments. The
person didn't send me any extra files to look at. They sent me the same
message twice, one with extra formatting and one without. I don't think
most people would
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:09:16PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Thursday, July 16 at 08:18 PM, quoth lee:
Yeah, but mutt already has a way of showing a list of attachments.
Those aren't attachments, they're MIME components. There's a
difference, at least in modern lingo. MIME components
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:16:57PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
But anyway, I don't consider this message to have ANY attachments.
The person didn't send me any extra files to look at. They sent me the
same message twice, one with extra formatting and one without. I don't
think most people
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On Thursday, July 16 at 10:27 PM, quoth lee:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:09:16PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
On Thursday, July 16 at 08:18 PM, quoth lee:
Yeah, but mutt already has a way of showing a list of attachments.
Those aren't
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On Thursday, July 16 at 10:51 PM, quoth lee:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 10:16:57PM -0500, Kyle Wheeler wrote:
But anyway, I don't consider this message to have ANY attachments.
The person didn't send me any extra files to look at. They sent me the
I have my alternative_order set to text/plain text/html. All works as
expected. However I have some people who use a mailer (Apple Mail) that
send multipart/alternative messages with attachments. So the two parts of
the message are a text/plain and a multipart/mixed. The multipart/mixed
On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 11:02:38PM -0400, Tim Gray wrote:
So, what is the best way to deal with this? Is there anyway to just
prefer the text/plain but look for attachments in the text/html branch?
Or have an indication that there is a text/html branch onscreen so I know
to look there?
On Wed 15, Jul'09 at 10:08 PM -0600, lee wrote:
And more general, is there a way to get an indication that a mail does
have an attachment or attachments? I would give them a different color
in the list; that would prevent me from opening such messages without
checking them before.
You could
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