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* On 22-01-02 at 09:17
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park said
Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus:
* On 21-01-02 at 23:17 Brian Foley said
Some of the more extreme past members of this list would have
blasted you out of the water for: a) using a
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* On 22-01-02 at 09:17
* Thomas Hurst said
_Replying to a message_
By: Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On: Monday, January 21, 2002, 16:54:47 -0700
Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind
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* On 22-01-02 at 09:17
* Jonathan Irving said
Simple: defaults. Default behaviour is what most non-technical
users end up with. I've heard it called flashing 12:00
syndrome, referencing the inability of most over-12-year-olds to
program
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* On 22-01-02 at 09:17
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park said
TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen (unless mutt
is available for windows and I don't know about it). It sure beats
Netscape Mail or LookOut, anyway.
Does it support
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 09:20]:
Also, you could try to be creative with your attribution, like me
or others here.
I must admit to toying with several ideas but not coming up with
anything I was happy enough with yet. You're right about the one line
thing though and
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:37:55PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP
client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly,
but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines.
Good, provided you use a recent
Am 22.01.2002 um 16:36:23 +0700 schrieb budsz folgendes:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
a) Find a picture of you or whatever
b) resize to 48x48 (?)
c) reduce to 2 colors
d) convert to x-face format
I don't understand what your mind, would you like
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
a) Find a picture of you or whatever
b) resize to 48x48 (?)
c) reduce to 2 colors
d) convert to x-face format
I don't understand what your mind, would you like explain more detail (step) ?
(b)resize, (c)reduce, (d)covert? how
Brian, et al --
...and then Brian Clark said...
%
% * Jonathan Irving ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 18:57]:
%
% Emacs and Pine both support per-message quote characters. I
% think the idea is to choose something that identifies the person,
% like:
%
% Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact
Rob --
...and then Feztaa said...
%
% Alas! Brian Clark spake thus:
%
% I've used clients like TheBat! before that do it as you've pointed out
% below:
%
% BCThis line is quoted text
% BCThis line is quoted text
%
% TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen
Derek --
...and then Derek D. Martin said...
%
o/
/o At some point hitherto, René Clerc hath spake thusly:
o/
/o I've finally come to my senses; changed from '| ' to ' '. Now it's up
o/
/o to that other pagan, David, to change ;)
O /
/
/ O
O /
/
/ O And there was much rejoicing... ;-)
I've a really curious problem with mutt. When I compose a new mail
mutt asks for the recipient (To:) and for the Subject in the last line
of my screen.
If I enter a value here and mistype something and use the
delete-button to correct this issue, the cursor is moving funny.
lets say: (*
Nick --
...and then Nick Wilson said...
%
% * On 22-01-02 at 09:17
% * Thomas Hurst said
%
% Like mine? It's only 6 lines, and it's *so* useful. Honest..
%
% I think yours might be just a little much, I'm getting my arse kicked
% here about trimming, a six line attribution? That's as
Le 21/01/02 à 21:37, Samuel Padgett écrivit:
I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP
client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly,
but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines.
mutt + IMAP works very well for me. It should be
We can use fetchmail and procmail to do this but if I use mutt to download mail
, will mutt be able to distribute the mails to various folders, as it is
downloading?
Or I have to pipe the mails to procmail? How to do it? When I try, I tag all
the mails and pipe to formail -s procmail but
Sam,
I use mutt at work to read mail from an IMAP store.
While I love mutts functionality, I must say that the its speed in
processing IMAP stores strikes me as slow. I think this is because
mutt doesn't seem to have any caching mechanism. As a result, each
tim you open an imap subfolder you
can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)?
niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/
nor http://www.toesinperil.com/~me/smtppush/ does not work.
Michael? ;-)
10x, karlov.
Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (00:01) :
It seems they're all LookOut users as well. Where the heck people get
that crap is beyond me.
I thought the program was called LockOut ;-)
Another annoying thing is the 10 line disclaimer from companies that
this is a private e-mail
Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) :
You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff
to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved
to the list members as a whole, not to mention the readability of the
mail archives
budsz --
...and then budsz said...
%
% On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 07:23:20AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
% a) Find a picture of you or whatever
% b) resize to 48x48 (?)
% c) reduce to 2 colors
% d) convert to x-face format
%
% I don't understand what your mind, would you like explain more
* Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 12:13]:
Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) :
You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff
to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved
to the list members as a
René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (12:26) :
Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was
saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the
time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim!
This is not correct at all. It is
* Preben Randhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22-01-2002 12:28]:
René Clerc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 22/01/2002 (12:26) :
Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was
saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the
time saved. That means that he means
* On 22-01-02 at 12:28
* René Clerc said
Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was
saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the
time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim!
Thank god for that, I thought I was going mad :)
* On 22-01-02 at 12:43
* René Clerc said
Apart from the useful links, you're missing the point. Cameron was
saying that the amount of time spent trimming is _outweighed_ by the
time saved. That means that he means that one _should_ trim!
This is not correct at all. It is just
Neo --
...and then Neo Sze Wee said...
%
% We can use fetchmail and procmail to do this but if I use mutt to download mail
% , will mutt be able to distribute the mails to various folders, as it is
% downloading?
Nope.
mutt can pull down your POP mail; the download key is by default 'G'.
It
Peter --
...and then [EMAIL PROTECTED] said...
%
% I've a really curious problem with mutt. When I compose a new mail
% mutt asks for the recipient (To:) and for the Subject in the last line
% of my screen.
Yep.
% If I enter a value here and mistype something and use the
% delete-button to
Boris --
...and then boris karlov said...
%
% can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)?
% niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/
Try sigpipe.org:8080, IIRC.
% nor http://www.toesinperil.com/~me/smtppush/ does not work.
% Michael? ;-)
%
% 10x, karlov.
HTH HAND
:-D
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:19:22AM -0600, John Buttery wrote:
Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? Should be trivial
gbuffy xbuffy
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Preben Randhol wrote:
Cameron Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (22:12) :
You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff
to just the relevant stuff is _more_ than outweghed by the time saved
to the list members as a whole, not to
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Alexander Skwar wrote:
FWIW, I just did some testing using mutt 1.3.25i on my Athlon 800 MHz,
786 MB RAM, and a IBM DDRS-39130W SCSI UW hard drive running reiserfs.
The Maildir/mbox I tested, had 84.533 messages and about 321 MB.
Opening the mbox beast took 2:53 minutes,
Mutt-1.3.27 is available from ftp://ftp.mutt.org/pub/mutt/. This
is another BETA version; but this time, without the SSL core dump.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience,
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* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]:
...and then Brian Clark said...
% Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me
% forever to find the thread in the archives because I wouldn't know
% what to look
Not so tough; just surf over to the archives site and
* Preben Randhol ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 06:07]:
Another annoying thing is the 10 line disclaimer from companies that
Especially when they are up top.
this is a private e-mail and that if you have gotten it should return
the e-mail to the company bla bla bla etc... I have always
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Hi all
I've been looking at the different variables associated with the print
function and can't work out why Mutt is telling me 'Printer: Nothing to
print'?
I'm sure it's me being daft but if anyone can point out where I'm going
wrong here that
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:06:30 -0500, David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
%
% can anyone give me a link to smtppush (by Michael Elkins)?
% niether http://www.sigpipe.org/~me/smtppush/
Try sigpipe.org:8080, IIRC.
-- exactly. 404.
but: have been found at
Brian --
...and then Brian Clark said...
%
% * David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]:
%
% ...and then Brian Clark said...
%
% % Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me
% % forever to find the thread in the archives because I wouldn't know
% % what to
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* On 22-01-02 at 15:06
* Brian Clark said
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]:
% for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%)
% quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone on the
%
Matthew --
...and then Matthew D. Fuller said...
%
% On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:26:55PM -0500 I heard the voice of
% Derek D. Martin, and lo! it spake thus:
%
% In which case I would ask, dude, why? I thought my counterpart at
% work was a pack rat... ;-)
%
% Hmmm
% Well, my current
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:01:50 -0500
From: David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Neo Sze Wee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lynx-dev Use mutt to download and distribute incoming mails to various
folder?
% I do not use fetchmail because the recent version
Nick --
...and then Nick Wilson said...
%
% * On 22-01-02 at 15:06
% * Brian Clark said
%
% * David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 22. 2002 05:21]:
%
% % for, but it was the thread where someone was picking on Dave's (%)
% % quote prefix. (I gather this isn't the first time someone
cruciatuz muttered:
i fetched my mail and in the meanwhile my computer crashed during a
hd-error. now i fetched again and i got many dupes (in the mbox-file).
mutt is intelligent as usual and shows me the dupes with = in the
threads, but:
is there an integrated function for cleaning the
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 03:09:35PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
I've been looking at the different variables associated with the print
function and can't work out why Mutt is telling me 'Printer: Nothing to
print'?
I remember I had the same problem when I first configured printing
but I don't
Anybody know of an X11 program to display these?
I use
macro pager \ef |view-x-face.pl\n
Get the perl script at http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/view-x-face
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* On 22-01-02 at 16:45
* Knute said
So set it up to edit your headers in your text editor, that way you can
see what it is and make sure it's right.
Covering old ground here min gamle ven (I'm guessing you'll understand
that bit!) David TG
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:46:36PM -0500, Dale Woolridge wrote:
On 12-Jan-2002 19:08 Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
|
| One thing though: Somewhere the following header is created:
|
| Content-Disposition: inline; filename=msg.pgp
|
| This causes Outlook to show an attachment where there
Hi,
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:19:22AM -0600, John Buttery wrote:
Anybody know of an X11 program to display these? Should be trivial
I use http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/view-x-face
You need the compface package, and icontopbm (both readily available),
but you pipe it a message and it
Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus:
How do you tell if you are sending to a blind user?
Are you blind??
I'm /registered/ blind. But I see okay in reasonable light.
Good to know. Now I have to ask everybody else...
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The Love Bird is 100% faithful to
Hi all!
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:43:40AM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote:
This is irrelevant. Over-quoting is inconsiderate, and affects
everyone. It causes us to have to wade through a bunch of irrelevant
garbage to get at (and often FIND) the author's point. Quoting out of
context (i.e.
On 22-Jan-2002 11:05 David Shaw wrote:
|
|Create an application/pgp message? ([yes]/no):
|
| Since it's not an application/pgp message at this point, the prompt
| should probably be something else.
Thanks for the input David. In my haste, I forgot to update the messages
to reflect
* Dave Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [22/01/02, 08:43:27]:
Good, provided you use a recent (beta) copy (e.g. 1.3.26).
However, I'm having some stability problems (about 1 segfault/day), but
hopefully this will be fixed soon.
Did you report them? I have none. What's your OS/Distribution? Did you
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* On 22-01-02 at 18:08
* Christian Schoepplein said
I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody
and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind
computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the
And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know
you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such
lengths to read sites like cnn.com.
It's actually really easy to do in mozilla. Just add one line to your
prefs.js and you're done, forever. No recurring
Hello,
Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the
xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in?
history:
Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it
changes the Xterm-Title to the current edited file. When im leaving vim
it changes to Thanks
At 15:00 -0500 22 Jan 2002, cruciatuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i fetched my mail and in the meanwhile my computer crashed during a
hd-error. now i fetched again and i got many dupes (in the mbox-file).
mutt is intelligent as usual and shows me the dupes with = in the
threads, but:
is there
Christoph Kampe wrote:
Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name
of the mailbox i'm changing in?
only if you patch mutt. i think the debian package has the patch
already.
i can put the xtitles patch version relative to 1.3.2x up somewhere for
you, or send you
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* On 22-01-02 at 18:51
* Christoph Kampe said
Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name
of the mailbox i'm changing in?
Why? Sorry I can't answer, just curious :)
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Tel:+45 3325 0688
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:45:21PM +0100, Christoph Kampe wrote:
Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the
xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in?
history:
Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it
changes the Xterm-Title to the
Christoph --
...and then Christoph Kampe said...
%
% Hello,
Hi!
%
% Please, if its possible, can anyone tell me how to change the
% xterm-title depending on the mailbox i'm browsing in?
%
% history:
% Im using vim as my prefered editor in mutt. Everytime i use vim, it
% changes the
* David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on [22-01-02] wrote:
Hey! On whose side are you? Oh, the betrayal!
%
% --
%
% Nick Wilson
%
% Tel:+45 3325 0688
% Fax:+45 3325 0677
% Web:www.explodingnet.com
%
David,
Some people seem to be turning over a new leaf after
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 09:48:58AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote:
Christoph Kampe wrote:
Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name
of the mailbox i'm changing in?
only if you patch mutt. i think the debian package has the patch
already.
i can put the xtitles patch
Will Yardley wrote:
i can put the xtitles patch version relative to 1.3.2x up somewhere for
you, or send you the patch via email if you'd like.
[disclaimer... i did NOT write this patch]
ok here's the patch (it documents itself). i took the one on the mutt
site and patched by hand for
Nick Wilson wrote:
Is there any folder-hook, to change the xterm-title displaying the name
of the mailbox i'm changing in?
Why? Sorry I can't answer, just curious :)
why? it's very useful to have information in the title bar when you have
lots of windows open.
i put lots of stuff up
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:52:11AM -0600, John Buttery wrote:
By the way, is there any way to get mutt to start composing _after_
the quoted text instead of before it when replying?
it's not for mutt to do, it's your editor :)
I have in my muttrc this line:
set editor=vim -u
Aaron Schrab muttered:
At 15:00 -0500 22 Jan 2002, cruciatuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is there an integrated function for cleaning the mbox-file?
Not in 1.3.24, but with 1.3.26 or above you could use the new ~= pattern
to match the duplicates and delete them. Assuming you have
On 2002.01.22, in [EMAIL PROTECTED],
John Buttery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way, is there any way to get mutt to start composing _after_
the quoted text instead of before it when replying?
set editor=vi '+$;?^?;+'
+ begin vi initialization commands
$ go to end
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:30:19PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I must say that the its speed in
processing IMAP stores strikes me as slow. I think this is because
mutt doesn't seem to have any caching mechanism. As a result, each
tim you open an imap subfolder you have to wait for it to
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* On 22-01-02 at 15:58
* David T-G said
% Anyone remember the subject or something of that thread, I'd like to
% have a look at it.
The subject was 'Quoting when replying', and it got nasty around 12/17.
Whooa! That was almost as ugly as
Hi Nick!
On Die, Jan 22, 2002 at 06:18:35 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
I agree 100%!!! To quote mails in the right way is helpful for anyboody
and not only for blind or visually handicapped persons. I'm a blind
computeruser and I get mor then 1000 mails the day and its really not
funny
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* On 22-01-02 at 19:31
* Dan Boger said
I have in my muttrc this line:
set editor=vim -u ~/.mutt/vimrc -c ':0;/^$'
which will tell vim to start after the headers, so I'll be positioned to
trim the quoted text.
Fantastic!
How might I
I wasn't aware that anyone was actually using it. :-) I suggest you use
ssmtp instead as I haven't worked on smtppush in a long time. I removed it
from my website because I didn't think it would be of use to anyone, and I
don't have a copy of it unfortunately.
Nick Wilson wrote:
How might I incorporate a tw command in that?
This is what I have for mine (nicked it from somewhere else so I don't
understand all of it but it works :)
set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et'
i have
set editor=vim +'/^$/+1' -c 'set nohlsearch' +':set textwidth=72' +':set
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* and then Christian Schoepplein blurted
And you can add hard coded font sizes in websites to that list, I know
you can overide stylesheets but it's annoying to have to go to such
lengths to read sites like cnn.com.
No, the problem
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:18:14AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote:
Nick Wilson wrote:
How might I incorporate a tw command in that?
This is what I have for mine (nicked it from somewhere else so I don't
understand all of it but it works :)
set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et'
i have
On Dienstag, 22. Jan. 2002 at 09:47:26, Ken Wahl wrote:
I remember I had the same problem when I first configured printing
but I don't remember what exactly I did to fix it. I do remember
it had to do with the print command itself. Here's what I have in my
muttrc that currently works with
Michael Wagner wrote:
what about the program muttprint. It prints pretty mails and you can
also use it for other mailprograms and newsreaders. You can find it at
freshmeat.net. I don't remember the homepage.
check the archives for info on this too. i use enscript, which works
really well
* Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [020122 19:05]:
since the first bit presumably is doing some sanity checking as well, it
MIGHT work to take out the 'else if' line entirely, but i don't really
know.
/* Make sure that the terminal can take the control codes */
if (ep ==
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* and then Dan Boger blurted
I guess something like this? (I'm not a vim guru though)
set editor=vim -c 'set tw=72 et;:0;/^$'
My Vim didn't like that but I think I've got it licked now :)
Cheers
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Tel:+45 3325
David,
I use 1.3.9i and the IMAP functionality, while admittedly beyond
comprehension in better than the 1.2x series, is still very slow.
I'd really like to get more Mutt users here, but the slow spool and
respool of the IMAP folders is a showstopper (versus PINE IMAP or
Netscape Mail).
It's
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since the first bit presumably is doing some sanity checking as well, it
MIGHT work to take out the 'else if' line entirely, but i don't really
know.
/* Make sure that the terminal can take the control codes */
if (ep ==
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