Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Date: Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:22:54AM + Quoting Paul Vixie (vi...@isc.org): From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:12:27 -0700 ... It's not like you can even reach anything at home now, let alone reach it by name. that must and

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 17, 2011, at 2:07 AM, Mans Nilsson wrote: Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Date: Tue, May 17, 2011 at 04:22:54AM + Quoting Paul Vixie (vi...@isc.org): From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:12:27 -0700 ... It's not like you can even reach anything at home now,

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Paul Vixie
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:07:17 +0200 From: Mans Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.org ... It's not like you can even reach anything at home now, let alone reach it by name. that must and will change. let's be the generation who makes it possible. I'd like to respond to this by

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Steve Clark
On 05/17/2011 08:56 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:07:17 +0200 From: Mans Nilssonmansa...@besserwisser.org ... It's not like you can even reach anything at home now, let alone reach it by name. that must and will change. let's be the generation who makes it possible. I'd

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 5/17/2011 5:25 AM, Owen DeLong wrote: My point was that at least in IPv6, you can reach your boxes whereas with IPv4, you couldn't reach them at all (unless you used a rendezvous service and preconfigured stuff). Actually almost everyone will *still* need a rendezvous service as even if

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On May 17, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Steve Clark wrote: On 05/17/2011 08:56 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:07:17 +0200 From: Mans Nilssonmansa...@besserwisser.org ... It's not like you can even reach anything at home now, let alone reach it by name. that must and will change.

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On 17 mei 2011, at 17:55, Matthew Kaufman wrote: firewall traversal Smells like job security: first install a firewall, then traverse it anyway.

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Paul Vixie
Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 11:49:47 -0400 From: Steve Clark scl...@netwolves.com This is all very confusing to me. How are meaningful names going to assigned automatically? It'll probably be a lot like Apple's and Xerox's various multicast naming systems if we want it to work in non-globally

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Michael Loftis
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Welch, Bryan bryan.we...@arrisi.com wrote: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing software against commercially available off the shelf hardware such as F5, which is what we currently use.  We use the load

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie vi...@isc.org wrote: This is all very confusing to me. How are meaningful names going to assigned automatically? It'll probably be a lot like Apple's and Xerox's various multicast naming systems if we want it to work in non-globally connected networks. Or perhaps user-relative

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Jeff Neuffer Jr
We've use Linux LVS for many many years with success. http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Welch, Bryan bryan.we...@arrisi.comwrote: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing software against commercially available

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Tom Hill
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 11:03 -0600, Michael Loftis wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Welch, Bryan bryan.we...@arrisi.com wrote: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing software against commercially available off the shelf hardware such as

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Paul Graydon
On 05/17/2011 08:23 AM, Tom Hill wrote: I've worked with open source and commercial solutions, and while the open source systems were almost always far more flexible, and cheaper up front, they certainly required more work to get going.. Once setup and running though both types of solutions had

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread LaDerrick H.
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 04:15:45PM -0700, Welch, Bryan wrote: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing software against commercially available off the shelf hardware such as F5, which is what we currently use. We use the load balancers for

Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-17 Thread Roy
http://e.businessinsider.com/public/184962

Re: Yahoo and IPv6

2011-05-17 Thread Mans Nilsson
Subject: Re: Yahoo and IPv6 Date: Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:56:37PM + Quoting Paul Vixie (vi...@isc.org): :-). to be clear, the old pre-web T1 era internet did not have much content but what content there was, was not lopsided. other than slip and ppp there weren't a lot of networks one

user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- d...@dotat.at wrote: Or perhaps user-relative names. http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/uia-osdi.pdf -- What about privacy concerns; stopping your every move being tracked through the personal name attached to all of your devices? Did I

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy concerns Privacy is dead. Get used to it. -- Scott McNeely pgpsQx7TWOx0s.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: - From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy concerns Privacy is dead. Get used to it. -- Scott McNeely -- It doesn't have to be that

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Mark Andrews
In message BANLkTimxkNx5=__jxd9056fao19v1zo...@mail.gmail.com, Michael Loftis writes: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Welch, Bryan bryan.we...@arrisi.com wrot= e: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing sof= tware against commercially

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Brim
On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy concerns Privacy is dead. Get used to it. -- Scott McNeely Forget that attitude, Valdis. Just because privacy is blown at one level doesn't mean you give it away

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On May 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy concerns Privacy is dead. Get used to it. -- Scott McNeely Forget that attitude, Valdis. Just because

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
(And I get flamed by multiple people because I put in the quote and managed to hit send before adding the commentary. Maybe one of these days I'll learn not to try to mix replying to e-mail and dealing with vendor engineers doing a tape library expansion at the same time. :) Oh well, equivalent

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: [snip] Better still would be for them to return records but until one is ready to do that the negative responses need to be correct. Hm... better would be for load balancers operate transparently at Layer 3 and not tamper

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com On May 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy concerns Privacy is dead. Get used to it. -- Scott

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread Brent Jones
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, LaDerrick H. na...@lacutt.com wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 04:15:45PM -0700, Welch, Bryan wrote: Greetings all. I've been tasked with comparing the use of open source load balancing software against commercially available off the shelf hardware such as F5,

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread jkrejci
In response to your query on dnssec in the browser, I use this. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/dnssec-validator/ --Original Message-- From: Jimmy Hess To: Mark Andrews Cc: Welch, Bryan Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers? Sent: May

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu Why give the corpment (corporate/government contraction) an easy time at it? Just like the early days, security and privacy do not seem to be in folk's mind when things are being designed. But more importantly, who has

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Brim
Yes indeed. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/intarea-3.pdf -- sent from a tiny screen

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On May 17, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com On May 17, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Scott Brim wrote: On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:04:19 PDT, Scott Weeks said: What about privacy

Re: IPv6 gateway, was: Re: IPv6 foot-dragging

2011-05-17 Thread Erik Muller
On Mon, 16 May 2011, Todd Lyons wrote: Double check the kernel version you have. IIRC kernels before 2.6.20 didn't have the ability to do RELATED,ESTABLISHED in ipv6. This hit me on a CentOS box that I was using as a gateway. I am unaware if there is a version of their 2.6.18 that has the

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- scott.b...@gmail.com wrote: From: Scott Brim scott.b...@gmail.com Yes indeed. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/79/slides/intarea-3.pdf - Hm, that's a funny correlation to what I have been thinking and talking about lately. I'll have to read

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Scott Weeks
--- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com if you put something in the dns you do so because you want to discovered. scoping the nameservers such that they only express certain certain resource records to queriers in a particular scope is fairly straight forward.

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On May 17, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- joe...@bogus.com wrote: From: Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com if you put something in the dns you do so because you want to discovered. scoping the nameservers such that they only express certain certain resource records to queriers

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 17 May 2011 20:22:23 PDT, Joel Jaeggli said: On May 17, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: Only if you design your network that way. EUI-64 isn't required. don't much matter, if you move around you're going get them a lot. Of course, if you're moving around and getting EUI-64

Re: user-relative names - was:[Re: Yahoo and IPv6]

2011-05-17 Thread Joel Maslak
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:37 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: Unless you end up behind a fascist firewall that actually checks that the EUI-64 half of the SLAAC address actually matches your MAC address - but we all know that firewalls are weak at IPv6 support, so probably nobody's

IRRd Add New Maintainer (irr_rpsl_submit ?)

2011-05-17 Thread Eduardo Meyer
Hello, I have installed IRRd and I am trying to set it up, just for study purposes. I have successfully mirrored some DBs but I cant handle to make my very first maintainer creation. irrd-user.pdf seems to be the only documentation around and it says nothing about How the admin creates a

Re: Experience with Open Source load balancers?

2011-05-17 Thread matthew zeier
I'll pile on here too - there's very little of Mozilla's web infrastructure that isn't behind Zeus. +1 for Zeus. Use it in our production network with great success. Magnitudes cheaper than a solution from F5, and doesn't hide the inner workings of the product if you want to do some things