Re: New vyatta-nsp list

2011-05-25 Thread sthaug
nitpicking 1gige linerate: 1,9mpps 10gige linerate: 19mpps and intel is proud to achieve 1,6mpps at 2 10gige cards? I have seen higher values at pc hardware - but still not compareable to asics. If you're going to specify line rate pps, please get the figures right.

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Scott Weeks
--- wavetos...@googlemail.com wrote: So we should CONDONE such borrowing and recommend a couple of /8s to use in North America. Perhaps one could be DOD for those operators Yes, so it turns IPv4 into such a big steaming pile that every one goes to IPv6

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Joly MacFie
See also: UK efforts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prestelj On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:04 AM, Max perld...@webwizarddesign.com wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: It was TBS, in the 1980s:

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Tue May 24 22:12:57 2011 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:12:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company From: Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com To: nanog@nanog.org On

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Tue May 24 22:19:18 2011 Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 23:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company -

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Brandon Butterworth
So... would this have been feasible today? given the bandwidth required to send a full feed these days, i suspect likely not, eh? (even if you were able to do it on all 500+ channels in parallel) On the financial side, it is trivial. The opposite, the bits were paid for but unused back

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com As I understand it, a current USENET 'full feed', including binaries, take two dedicated 100mbit FDX fast ethernet links, and they are saturated _most_ of the day. At that rate, A full day of TV vertical interval

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk On the financial side, it is trivial. The opposite, the bits were paid for but unused back then so financially it was worth using them. In digital tv every bit has a use and so a cost, hence they are used for more

ATT Opti-man Dallas down

2011-05-25 Thread Tim Connolly
The Dallas area had a round of storms go through last night. Looks like this morning's flaming bag on the front porch was ATT's OptiMan metro-E service was down. Can anyone confirm that this was a wide outage and not just a single customer? Any details released?

Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
From bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk Wed May 25 04:21:13 2011 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 10:19:09 +0100 (BST) From: Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk To: morrowc.li...@gmail.com, nanog@nanog.org, bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any

blocking annoying 'bounce mail' feature from customers use.

2011-05-25 Thread Eric J Esslinger
Mac Mail (and others) have a feature that allows my customers to generate a fake NDR message and send it back through my server. I get about a customer every few months that discovers this 'solution' to spam emails, and when it happens they cause delivery problems for my customer mail server by

Re: blocking annoying 'bounce mail' feature from customers use.

2011-05-25 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 5/25/11 9:09 AM, Eric J Esslinger wrote: Mac Mail (and others) have a feature that allows my customers to generate a fake NDR message and send it back through my server. I get about a customer every few months that discovers this 'solution' to spam emails, and when it happens they cause

Re: blocking annoying 'bounce mail' feature from customers use.

2011-05-25 Thread Jeroen Massar
On 2011-May-25 18:09, Eric J Esslinger wrote: [..] Does anyone know of a way for me to block the following, using postfix, either via refusing to accept the mail or by dropping it in /dev/null: Mail from or postmaster that originates within our customer IP blocks/is sent using authentication

Re: Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Paul Timmins
On 05/24/2011 11:12 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Lou Katzl...@metron.com wrote: An elegant idea, done in by changing technology. *sigh* As USENIX director I sponsored and sheparded this project, called Stargate. We at least got bits into the

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Joly MacFie
While not material to the technical discussion, I would point out that it is doubtful any large corp. would want to distro full USENET these days given the legal implications - see http://isoc-ny.org/?p=252 - mind you Cuomo is otherwise engaged these days. j Yes, you *CAN* engineer a

Re: ATT Opti-man Dallas down

2011-05-25 Thread Nikos Mouat
Yes, we lost all our Opteman circuits in Dallas from roughly 8:30AM to 10:30AM Central. The cause communicated to us from ATT was: the router took a hit and the SUP Card failed which resulted in our outage our Opteman circuits in Houston were not impacted. Nikos On Wed, 25 May 2011, Tim

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread David Conrad
On May 24, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Jeremy wrote: As long as necessary precautions are taken (route filters, tunnels, VRF's) shouldn't this be technically feasible without any negative ramifications? Any? Debatable. Doing stuff like this has costs, but I suspect the folks at Rogers aren't idiots and

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com wrote: So we should CONDONE such borrowing and recommend a couple of /8s to use in North America. Perhaps one could be DOD for those operators that do not carry any DOD traffic and one could be that /8 from Softbank

where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Jay Borkenhagen
Hi, I depend on a number of shell tools for manipulating IPv4 addresses, CIDR blocks, etc. like: aggis ipsort.pl grepcidr aggregate I have not yet found much in terms of similar shell utilities for IPv6. I've spoken to authors of some of these tools and they admit they have not yet

Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Kyle Duren
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org wrote: Hi, I depend on a number of shell tools for manipulating IPv4 addresses, CIDR blocks, etc. like:  aggis  ipsort.pl  grepcidr  aggregate I have not yet found much in terms of similar shell utilities for IPv6.  

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Robert Bonomi
From nanog-bounces+bonomi=mail.r-bonomi@nanog.org Wed May 25 13:44:21 2011 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space From: Christopher Pilkington c...@0x1.net To: Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com Cc: NANOG

Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
I'm addicted to sipcalc: http://www.routemeister.net/projects/sipcalc/ It's available on standard repositories for MacPorts, Ubuntu, Debian and Fedora. I guess install is straightforward in other platforms as well. regards Carlos On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Kyle Duren

Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 5/25/2011 3:29 PM, Kyle Duren wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org wrote: Do folks here know of IPv6 tools that might provide some of the functions the above tools provide for IPv4? I recommend IPv6gen. http://code.google.com/p/ipv6gen/ Very

Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread chip
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Kyle Duren pixitha.k...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jay Borkenhagen j...@braeburn.org wrote: Hi, I depend on a number of shell tools for manipulating IPv4 addresses, CIDR blocks, etc. like:  aggis  ipsort.pl  grepcidr  aggregate I

RE: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Mike Walter
We use the IPAM tool by 6connect.net, not sure if that is what you are looking for exactly? -Mike -Original Message- From: chip [mailto:chip.g...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 3:40 PM To: Kyle Duren Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: where are all the IPv6 tools? On Wed, May

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread bmanning
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 02:43:24PM -0400, Christopher Pilkington wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com wrote: So we should CONDONE such borrowing and recommend a couple of /8s to use in North America. Perhaps one could be DOD for those operators

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
Does it make sense that ham radio operators have routable IP address space any longer? Yes. Keep your mitts off 44!

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Christopher Pilkington
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:        NOTE WELL - Just because -you- (for values of you) see no value in        space assigned, does NOT give you the right to hijack said space        for your own purposes.   Nor does it look well  for you to advocate    

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Brandon Butterworth
You demonstrate you have no understanding of what the word 'feasable' means. OK, but we actually did this as a commercial service on analogue TV and we deliver non picture data on digital TV (satellite and terrestrial) today, it's just not USENET data. One _cannot_ do this with 'modern'

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Joe Hamelin
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christopher Pilkington c...@0x1.net wrote: Indeed, arbitrary is arbitrary, be it ham radio operators or the DoD. I was trolling hams on the list there, my apologies. FWIW, my box 44.68.16.20 hasn't been up in well over a decade. Would have been nice if that

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 26 May 2011 02:08:04 BST, Brandon Butterworth said: One _cannot_ do this with 'modern' digital TV trasmission, because the _end-to-end_ technolgy does not support it. Apologies for disagreeing, but this is exactly what the modern technology does. Digital TV (ATSC in your case,

Re: Re Netflix Is Eating Up More Of North America's Bandwidth Than Any Other Company

2011-05-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Brandon Butterworth bran...@rd.bbc.co.uk You demonstrate you have no understanding of what the word 'feasable' means. OK, but we actually did this as a commercial service on analogue TV and we deliver non picture data on digital TV (satellite and

Re: [outages] Level 3 core router in Chicago down?

2011-05-25 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - On 5/25/2011 11:25 PM, Brooks Bridges wrote: We just lost a bunch of routes out of Chicago over Level 3. Seems to be dying at edge routers right before their core. 1. XXX 0.0% 10 0.5 0.4 0.3 0.6 0.1 Of course, as soon as I hit send, it

Re: [outages] Level 3 core router in Chicago down?

2011-05-25 Thread Gaurav Taparia
We saw it too. The paths are back up but the latency is higher suggesting that it is on a re-routed path. Their helpdesk is saying it is a planned maintenance. - Gaurav On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - On 5/25/2011 11:25

Re: where are all the IPv6 tools?

2011-05-25 Thread Owen DeLong
The PERL Net::IP module provides a basis that would make it fairly easy to implement most of those and does fully support both IPv4 and IPv6. IIRC, those tools predated Net::IP, so, re-implementing them from scratch using Net::IP might be both cleaner and easier. Owen On May 25, 2011, at 11:54

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 25, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher Pilkington wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Michael Dillon wavetos...@googlemail.com wrote: So we should CONDONE such borrowing and recommend a couple of /8s to use in North America. Perhaps one could be DOD for those operators that do not

Re: Rogers Canada using 7.0.0.0/8 for internal address space

2011-05-25 Thread Owen DeLong
On May 25, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Christopher Pilkington wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:24 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: NOTE WELL - Just because -you- (for values of you) see no value in space assigned, does NOT give you the right to hijack said space for your