Cisco 7200 PCI Limitations

2012-08-03 Thread shthead
Hi all, I have a 7200 series router (7204) here and I am trying to figure out something with it. Currently the router has a NPE-G1 card in it, giving it 3 gig interfaces but I need an extra gig interface on it to make 4. Having a look around the available options are either get a PA-GE card

Re: Cisco 7200 PCI Limitations

2012-08-03 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, The other option left is the I/O controller. I found that you can get a port adaptor jacket card [2] for the 7200's that let you stick a normal interface card into the I/O controller slot (instead of the I/O controller itself). My main concern is if the jacket card uses its own PCI

Re: Cisco 7200 PCI Limitations

2012-08-03 Thread shthead
On 3/08/2012 5:44 PM, Sander Steffann wrote: On a 7206VXR it shows: PCI bus mb0_mb1 (Slots 0, 1, 3 and 5) has a capacity of 600 bandwidth points. PCI bus mb2 (Slots 2, 4, 6) has a capacity of 600 bandwidth points. Slot 0 is the I/O module, so it seems to share the same limitations. - Sander

Re: Cisco 7200 PCI Limitations

2012-08-03 Thread Joe Maimon
shthead wrote: Hi all, I have a 7200 series router (7204) here and I am trying to figure out something with it. Currently the router has a NPE-G1 card in it, giving it 3 gig interfaces but I need an extra gig interface on it to make 4. Having a look around the available options are either

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Richard Miller
This is a fascinating thread! I have had multiple class C address blocks assigned to us for many years (since the 80's) I have 2 T1 connections and one of them is up for contract renewal. I have wanted to replace one of the expensive T1s for a long time. DSL and Cable are available here at

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Miller rmil...@millerad.com wrote: I am stumped. Any ideas? time to migrate to carriers that care about you and your business?

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Chris Marlatt
On 08/03/2012 10:31 AM, Richard Miller wrote: --snip-- Perhaps I can route to a co-located server then a tunnel back to the server farm over a static IP DSL or Cable link??? I am stumped. Any ideas? Rich That would indeed be a solution to your problem. Have a cheap colo somewhere. Have

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Alain Hebert
Hi, Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone that is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like NHRP, and use a 87x on your brand new unnamed Cable/DSL provider to create a NHRP tunnel for it. We have many customers which required

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net wrote: Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone that is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like NHRP, and use a 87x on your brand new unnamed Cable/DSL provider to create a

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Chris Marlatt
On 08/03/2012 11:44 AM, Richard Miller wrote: Chris, Been thinking about taking that route no pun intended. It just moves the main link off-site. We've had these T1s for so long the maintenance and ops have become second nature. Someone should be able to route over a DSL/Cable/whatever link.

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Fri, 3 Aug 2012, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Miller rmil...@millerad.com wrote: I am stumped. Any ideas? time to migrate to carriers that care about you and your business? The tough part there is that Verizon is not required (as I understand it)

US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
[Feels operational to me.] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/260299/us_house_to_itu_hands_off_the_internet.html The U.S. House of Representatives voted late Thursday to send a message to the United Nations' International Telecommunication Union that the Internet doesn't need new

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Alain Hebert aheb...@pubnix.net wrote: Yes the easier way to do it is have your subnet routed to someone that is willing to colo your router, or provide your with something like NHRP, and use a 87x on your brand new

Weekly Routing Table Report

2012-08-03 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, LacNOG, TRNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to

IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p Just wondering, with so many IPv6 resources in a single allocation it would seem difficult to charge anything at all. 1. How are you making up loss of revenue on IPv4 assignments? 2. Are you charging anything? 3. Is the cost built into the

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote: It seems the telcos and cable companies don't consider the commodity Internet part of their equipment to be something which needs electricity during an extended grid outage. Cox.

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/3/12 12:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p Nope, and no plans to. ~Seth

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread TJ
FWIW - Comcast isn't charging for native connectivity to residential users. /TJ On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 8/3/12 12:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p Nope, and no plans to. ~Seth

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 8/3/12 8:56 AM, William Herrin wrote: It seems the telcos and cable companies don't consider the commodity Internet part of their equipment to be

Looking for MX clue at cable.comcast.net

2012-08-03 Thread Elliot Finley
When I try to us the automated form to unblock my server's IP I get: *** 67.22.175.244 We have received your request for removal from our inbound blocklist. After investigating the issue, we have found that the IP you provided for removal is currently not on our blocklist. We need the IP

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread John Curran
On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: [Feels operational to me.] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/260299/us_house_to_itu_hands_off_the_internet.html The U.S. House of Representatives voted late Thursday to send a message to the United

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Cutler James R
On Aug 3, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p snip/ Otis I can't imagine that this would be anything but counterproductive. End users are not interested in IPv6 - most would not recognize IPv6 if it fell out of

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Scott Weeks
The U.S. House of Representatives voted late Thursday to send a message to the United Nations' International Telecommunication Union that the Internet doesn't need new international regulations. The vote was unanimous: 414-0 Unanimous? I didn't think this

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread bmanning
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:47:30PM +, John Curran wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: [Feels operational to me.] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/260299/us_house_to_itu_hands_off_the_internet.html The U.S. House of

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could be better. And 20 years ago the reliability was. 20 years ago you didn't have a megabit to

Re: Looking for MX clue at cable.comcast.net

2012-08-03 Thread Elliot Finley
Correction: It's cable.comcast.com (not .net) and it turns out that that is the domain used by comcast employees not customers. our mail gets delivered to comcast customers just fine, just not to comcast employees. I have to say that the tier 1 person I talked to was fairly clueful regarding

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net wrote: Unanimous? I didn't think this congress could agree the earth is round unanimously. Perhaps because the earth is usually more properly described as an oblate spheroid... Gary

RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Frank Bulk
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. And it doesn't pay to put a natural gas (or similar) generator at every node for those

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:17 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could be better. And 20 years

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread William Herrin
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Frank Bulk frnk...@iname.com wrote: A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. Doesn't take a

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread John Curran
On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:47:30PM +, John Curran wrote: In this case, I believe that the message is now quite clear... Its just the house :) But I suspect Terry delegation will take note. Actually, I believe

RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Wallace Keith
-Original Message- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnk...@iname.com] Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 5:27 PM To: 'William Herrin' Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage there's not enough

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Dmitry Burkov
John, I like your approach - simply no comments I think the way as your legislation guys decided to follow can be absolutely wrong. My opinion that the real problem laid in financial issues with developing countires and US native commercial interests that you (not you personally - of

The Cidr Report

2012-08-03 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Aug 3 21:13:03 2012 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date

BGP Update Report

2012-08-03 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report Interval: 26-Jul-12 -to- 02-Aug-12 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS580054239 3.2% 205.5 -- DNIC-ASBLK-05800-06055 - DoD Network Information Center 2

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread John Curran
On Aug 3, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Dmitry Burkov db...@burkov.aha.ru wrote: My opinion that the real problem laid in financial issues with developing countires Dmitry - There is a very real financial issue that developing countries face with affording the infrastructure that their citizens

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 3, 2012, at 14:17 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:31 , William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Could be worse. I could have Pepco instead of Dominion. But it could be better. And 20 years ago

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Derek Ivey
If my ISP charged me fees for IPv6 space, I'd ditch them. They already make enough money as is from modem/cable box rentals. Derek On 8/3/2012 6:12 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote: On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread William Pitcock
Hi, On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p Just wondering, with so many IPv6 resources in a single allocation it would seem difficult to charge anything at all. 1. How are you making up loss of revenue on

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread George Herbert
If anyone's ISPs are overcharging them, I will be able to provide service for no more than 1 cent per available routable IPv6 address in any netblock from /64 on up. We have a reasonable startup rate of a /56 for the price of a /64 for the remainder of 2012, even! -george On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Dmitry Burkov
The real issue is not laid in their economics - but in ours - our legacy players(mobile are the same) We simply try to hide our own problems behind their issues and use them again to protect our market interests - no more. On Aug 4, 2012, at 2:03 AM, John Curran wrote: On Aug 3, 2012, at

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/3/12 3:42 PM, William Pitcock wrote: Hi, On Aug 3, 2012, at 2:22 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p Just wondering, with so many IPv6 resources in a single allocation it would seem difficult to charge anything at all. 1.

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread John Curran
On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Dmitry Burkov db...@burkov.aha.ru wrote: The real issue is not laid in their economics - but in ours - our legacy players(mobile are the same) We simply try to hide our own problems behind their issues and use them again to protect our market interests - no

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Dmitry Burkov
in my stupid opinion it is the problem of a new global still developing global market - key dominated players are from our countries - which see on them as on strategical national strategic assets. Should I explain more? Or it is already clear? I classified censorship and IPR protection in the

RE: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
By end user I mean hosting clients (cloud, collocation, shared, dedicated, VPS, etc.) of any sort. For example you have clients that would needsay /24 for their dedicated server. If you charge a $1.00/IP which is typical then you would lose that revenue if they converted to IPv6. If you

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:01:35PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: [snip] If you're that concerned about calling 911 for a heat stroke, why don't you maintain a POTS line? Choices are great but carry responsibility and result in consequences. Some folks don't like to hear that, or just can't be

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet Date: Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 03:13:53AM +0400 Quoting Dmitry Burkov (db...@burkov.aha.ru): in my stupid opinion it is the problem of a new global still developing global market - key dominated players are from our countries - which see on

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread William Pitcock
Hi! On Aug 3, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: By end user I mean hosting clients (cloud, collocation, shared, dedicated, VPS, etc.) of any sort. For example you have clients that would needsay /24 for their dedicated server. If you charge a $1.00/IP which is

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Jimmy Hess
On 8/3/12, Otis L. Surratt, Jr. o...@ocosa.com wrote: Anyone charging end users for IPv6 space yet? :p ISPs already charge for bandwidth link capacity. Why charge a fee to discourage subscribers from adopting a protocol that will let the ISP sell larger capacity links? IPv6 packet headers are

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
Add value. You must not charge for the addresses at all, they are not yours, you can't sell them. In every smart business, the future is not anymore selling goods but added value. If you have a quasi-unlimited number of addresses in every customer, you can star building up new value added

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Cutler James R
I would say that the typical usage, at least here in the US, is that an End User is the one holding an iPhone or sitting at a computer watching the Olympics, and, ultimately, paying that last mile fee. Even using your definition, the costs of connectivity (routers, wires, management) far

RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-08-03 Thread Frank Bulk
As someone else posted, many FTTH installations are centralized as much as possible to avoid having non-passive equipment in the plant, allowing for the practicality of onsite generators. That's what we do. But for those who have powered nodes in the field (distributed/tiered BPON or GPON

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Randy Bush
You must not charge for the addresses at all, they are not yours, you can't sell them. do i pay for them?

Re: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 3, 2012, at 20:22 , Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: You must not charge for the addresses at all, they are not yours, you can't sell them. do i pay for them? NO, you don't. You _MIGHT_ pay for registration services where you are paying for the service of having them uniquely

RE: IPv6 End User Fee

2012-08-03 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
I was thinking about End User in a sense of one to simply consume a product or a service offered by a service provider. However, I should have left room for those that are assigned GUA space by a service provider and reassign space to their end users. (i.e. Allocated /48 and reassign /64 or

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:06:19 -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore said: The vote was unanimous: 414-0 Unanimous? I didn't think this congress could agree the earth is round unanimously. And in fact, they didn't - there's 435 Representatives. pgpJqcuqtLEFV.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: US House to ITU: Hands off the Internet

2012-08-03 Thread Roy
On 8/3/2012 9:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2012 14:06:19 -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore said: The vote was unanimous: 414-0 Unanimous? I didn't think this congress could agree the earth is round unanimously. And in fact, they didn't - there's 435 Representatives.