Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

On 12/17/20 00:50, Matt Erculiani wrote: But unless you have an entire organization dedicated to automation development or pay an incredibly large sum of money for pre-built packages, the business decision may still be made to actively monitor the network with eyeballs. Solutions do

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

On 12/16/20 23:48, Max Harmony via NANOG wrote: It seems like the "something impressive looking" might just change. Add a bit of marketing copy about how "our monitoring is distributed, just like our servers" (or some more punchy variant) and show customers what the smaller monitoring

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

On 12/16/20 22:49, Eric Kuhnke wrote: With the covid19 situation, obviously lots of ISPs have their NOC personnel working from home, with VPN (or remote desktop) access to all the internal tools, VoIP at home, etc. In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

On 12/16/20 22:31, b...@theworld.com wrote: I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join (particularly retail) just to not be left

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Perhaps I should have clarified: "from the perspective of persons who have the word "Sales" in their job titles, considered to be impressive looking for customer tours" On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 4:25 PM Randy Bush wrote: > > In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

> On Dec 16, 2020, at 7:25 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > >> In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for the >> purpose of having large situational awareness displays on a wall, network >> weathermaps and charts, alerting systems, composed of four or more big flat >> panel

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

> In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for the > purpose of having large situational awareness displays on a wall, network > weathermaps and charts, alerting systems, composed of four or more big flat > panel displays. Ideally configured to be actually useful for NOC

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Peace, On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 1:50 AM Matt Erculiani wrote: > I'm sure when the automation is perfect and widespread to the point that > it catches and alerts on every network event, the monitoring rooms will > disappear. > Which is never, but: With a proper RCA after each incident, not

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

> That is not to say that large monitoring rooms are a better choice over automation (which they are not). I'm sure when the automation is perfect and widespread to the point that it catches and alerts on every network event, the monitoring rooms will disappear. But unless you have an entire

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

On 16 Dec 2020, at 15.49, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > With the covid19 situation, obviously lots of ISPs have their NOC personnel > working from home, with VPN (or remote desktop) access to all the internal > tools, VoIP at home, etc. > > In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Dave Cohen wrote: Frankly, I think the days of the "showpiece NOC" being relevant ended a while before COVID. I worked at a Tier 1 for >10 years in a customer-facing capacity, largely dealing with "serious" enterprise customers. The number of customers who toured the NOC in that time was less

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

> > Ideally configured to be actually useful for NOC purposes and also > something impressive looking for customer tours. > Call me crazy, but I have never cared about the second half of that. On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 3:51 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > With the covid19 situation, obviously lots of

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Peace, On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 12:21 AM Lady Benjamin PD Cannon wrote: > We are still operating ours - 27 1080P projectors - but with a skeleton > crew of just 3. Given the air volume, it’s almost like outside. > A devil advocate here, First of all, COVID-19 is really serious. With that in

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

We are still operating ours - 27 1080P projectors - but with a skeleton crew of just 3. Given the air volume, it’s almost like outside. Everyone else is WFH. —L.B. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC CEO b...@6by7.net "The only fully

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

I would not be surprised to see Cisco CTC (the alarm control panel/monitoring software for 15454s carrying TDM, SDH/SONET circuits) still being used in the year 2030 in some places. On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 1:10 PM Paul Amaral wrote: > We used to have some CRTs with MRTG running in the late

RE: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

We used to have some CRTs with MRTG running in the late 90’s  P From: NANOG On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 3:50 PM To: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever? With the covid19 situation, obviously lots

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Peace, On Wed, Dec 16, 2020, 11:50 PM Eric Kuhnke wrote: > In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for > the purpose of having large situational awareness displays on a wall, > network weathermaps and charts, alerting systems, composed of four or more > big flat

Re: Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

Frankly, I think the days of the "showpiece NOC" being relevant ended a while before COVID. I worked at a Tier 1 for >10 years in a customer-facing capacity, largely dealing with "serious" enterprise customers. The number of customers who toured the NOC in that time was less than 5 (i.e much less

Are the days of the showpiece NOC office display gone forever?

With the covid19 situation, obviously lots of ISPs have their NOC personnel working from home, with VPN (or remote desktop) access to all the internal tools, VoIP at home, etc. In the traditional sense, by "showpiece NOC" I mean a room designed for the purpose of having large situational

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

I'm not so sure. If someone got the banks, credit card (fintech), big online shopping, etc (tho not a lot of etc needed) on board, the "head count" for that wouldn't be very large, and others would join (particularly retail) just to not be left out... One can build a quite different network on

Re: "Hacking" these days - purpose?

> Simple question: What's the purpose of obtaining illicit access to random > devices on the Internet these days ... Aside from stealing user's information, there is also stealing industrial and diplomatic secrets. The Chinese stole a lot of F-35 info. The news is full of Russians hacking

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