Re: IPv6 Cogent vs Hurricane Electric

On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > Looking at the most recent IPv6 data available at CAIDA you can see the > customer cone size: > > http://as-rank.caida.org/?data-selected-id=15 > > Be careful as the tool seems fragile when switching from the

Re: Bluehost.com

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Bob Evans wrote: > I think he means to say the rich get richer on the other side of the > investment by playing the shorting and the buying of stock in the gambling > marketplace. As the stock itself can create a new currency so

Re: OT: BdNOG announces website blocks

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > - > Md. abdullah Al naser mail.naserbd at yahoo.com > Wed Nov 18 12:56:15 BDT 2015 > > The service of Facebook, Viber and Whatsapp are > blocked from now till further

Re: Bluehost.com

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Kiriki Delany wrote: > [...] > > Bottom line, is the industry needs to be increasing value, because the flip > side working for no profit, surviving off investment only... there's no > end-game. You see this cycle time and time again as

Re: route converge time

One thing I notice you don't mention is whether your BGP sessions to your upstream providers are direct or multi-hop eBGP. I know for a while some of the more bargain-basement providers were doing eBGP multi-hop feeds for full tables, which will definitely slow down convergence if the routers

Re: route converge time

Or, better yet, apply a REJECT-ALL type policy on the neighbor to deny all inbound/outbound prefixes; that way, you can keep the session up as long as possible, but gracefully bleed traffic off ahead of your work. Matt On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 3:46 PM, Jürgen Jaritsch wrote: >

Re: IGP choice

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Dave Bell wrote: > On 22 October 2015 at 19:41, Mark Tinka wrote: >> The "everything must connect to Area 0" requirement of OSPF was limiting >> for me back in 2008. > > I'm unsure if this is a serious argument, but its

Re: IGP choice

On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:57 AM, marcel.durega...@yahoo.fr wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Anybody from Yahoo to share experience on IGP choice ? > IS-IS vs OSPF, why did you switch from one to the other, for what reason ? > Same question could apply to other ISP, I'd like to

Re: IGP choice

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 1:41 AM, marcel.durega...@yahoo.fr wrote: > sorry for that, but the only one I've heard about switching his core IGP is > Yahoo. I've no precision, and it's really interest me. > I know that there had OSPF in the DC area, and ISIS in the core,

Re: outlook.com outgoing blacklists?

On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Todd K Grand wrote: > I have an email server which hosts 3 domains. > I have reason to believe that microsoft maintains an outgoing blacklist and > would like confirmation on this. > > I have had many a report that people on domains hosted on

Re: BGAN Optimized Laptops

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > ... > > Someone told me that there is a way for the browser to say > to the web server, send me only the parts of the web page I > request. For example, send me everything but the flash and > images. Being a browser

Re: Drops in Core

Quite the inverse, I'd say; most of the capacity headaches center around the handoff between networks, and most of the congestion points I come across are with private peering links where one party or the other is unwilling or unable to augment capacity. The first and last mile are fine, but the

Re: net neutrality peering dispute between CenturyTel/Qwest and Cogent in Dallas

I dunno, Jim, that sounds almost like you might think the inevitable outcome will be an everyone pays model of settlements, the way telcos do it. Unfortunately, in that model, the only winners are the transit networks in the middle, because no accounting department is going to want to keep track

Re: Super Core Hardware suggestions

I suspect you might want to look at the QFX10002-36Q series: http://www.juniper.net/assets/us/en/local/pdf/datasheets/1000531-en.pdf Matt On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Ben Cornish b...@overthewire.com.au wrote: Hey All We are looking for suggestions for a device to act as a super Core

Re: Remember Internet-In-A-Box?

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net wrote: This goes back a number of years. There was a product that literally was a cardboard box that contained everything one needed to get started on the Internet. Just add a modem and a computer, and you were on your way.

A Public Apology to Lorenzo

discussion about the needs of network operators. Sincerely, Matthew Petach

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 8:26 AM, Lorenzo Colitti lore...@colitti.com wrote: Ray, please do not construe my words on this thread as being Google's position on anything. These messages were sent from my personal email address, and I do not speak for my employer. Regards, Lorenzo Ah,

Re: Android (lack of) support for DHCPv6

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.net wrote: Lorzenzo is probably not going to post anymore because of this. Oh, I imagine we'll all need to take a time-out after this thread; I know it's got my back fur all riled up, too. :( It looks to me like Lorenzo wants the

Re: Looking for information on IGP choices in dual-stack networks

We use IS-IS dual-stack in the core, and OSPFv2+OSPFv3 in the datacenters. Roughly 100 routers in the IS-IS core, and less than 2000 routers in the OSPFv2+OSPFv3 datacenters. Matt On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Victor Kuarsingh vic...@jvknet.com wrote: I/we (Philip and I) attempted to keep

Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: [...] And this... is NANOG! Needs more ellipses and capitalization...more like This...IS...NANOG!!! building up to a nice crescendo roar as you kick the hapless interviewee backwards down the deep, dark well On a slightly

Re: stacking pdu

On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Rob Seastrom r...@seastrom.com wrote: ... MC on thereifixed.com or similar sites). thereifixedit.com iftfy. ;P Matt

Re: Seeking Yahoo Network Engineer

(placeholder, responded off-list) Matt On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:26 AM, Harrison Hung harrison.h...@gmail.com wrote: Hi NANOG. It was suggested I try this list to contact a Yahoo Network Engineer to help me with this problem I'm seeing. I have around 200-300 of my Yahoo hosting customers

Re: Intrusion Detection recommendations

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 12:43 PM, J. Oquendo joque...@e-fensive.net wrote: [...] For the most part though, this practice of half-baked security will continue, vendors will make bucketloads of money, consumers of IPS/IDS devices will still complain how much the product sucks, and I as a

Re: merry xmas

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Sadiq Saif li...@sadiqs.com wrote: On 12/24/2014 20:52, Sadiq Saif wrote: Here is the IPv6 version: mtr xmas.asininetech.org Thanks to all the people who helped with the bit of python debugging. :) For those using traceroute6, try with the -I

Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT]

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Stephen Satchell l...@satchell.net wrote: ... Oh, and I hate binary logs. Period. If you can't stand plain text, then try XML. At least humans have a *chance* to read it without having to make fancy reader tools. Completely agree on this point--but I

Why is .gov only for US government agencies?

Wondering if some of the long-time list members can shed some light on the question--why is the .gov top level domain only for use by US government agencies? Where do other world powers put their government agency domains? With the exception of the cctlds, shouldn't the top-level gtlds be

2014.10.08 NANOG62 notes

So, I suspect I'm going to spend a little time tonight renaming the files to make more sense; I'm uploading the rest of my notes now to http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG62 but you should probably ignore the more specific links I sent out earlier, as those will end up changing. Starting

2014.10.06 NANOG 62 morning notes posted

Sorry, lunch was a bit short today, so didn't have time to post URL to morning notes over lunch as usual, sorry about that. ^_^;; Matt http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG62morn2

2014.10.06 NANOG 62 afternoon notes

Bugger. Just realized I got the document names wrong. I'll just keep going with the wrong values, and pretend I didn't copy the dates from last time by mistake. ^_^; http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG62aft2 Thanks! :) Matt

Re: Marriott wifi blocking

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Brett Frankenberger rbf+na...@panix.com wrote: ... So your position is that if I start using Starbuck's SSID in a location where there is no Starbuck, and they layer move in to that building, I'm entitled to compel them to not use their SSID? This would be

Re: GMail contact - misroute / security issue

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 8:52 PM, James Welcher jwelc...@gmail.com wrote: Gmail will strip out periods. OMG, I am *so* telling my GF about that feature! Matt

Re: Fwd: Interesting problems with using IPv6

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Sam Stickland s...@spacething.org wrote: Slightly off topic, but has there ever been a proposed protocol where hosts can register their L2/L3 binding with their connected switch (which could then propagate the binding to other switches in the Layer 2 domain)?

Re: Prefix hijacking, how to prevent and fix currently

On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Doug Madory dmad...@renesys.com wrote: Ah yes BusinessTorg (AS60937). I have also seen this one doing what you are describing. Not to MSFT or GOOG, but another major technology company that we peer with. In fact, it is going on right now but only visible if

Re: Best US Tunnelbroker for Youtube

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Ryan Shea ryans...@google.com wrote: Just one man's experience, but my YouTube performance over my Hurricane Electric tunnel has been strikingly poor lately - so much so that I was thinking of squashing v6 in my house entirely. Looking for your

Re: Urgent

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:00 AM, ra...@psg.com wrote: Contact for God, please reach out to me offlist. Regards, -AS666 NOC And this is why we're going to have the always remember to lock your screen before stepping way from your computer tutorial at the next member's breakfast... Matt

Re: Urgent

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Franck Martin fmar...@linkedin.com wrote: On Aug 18, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Contact for God, please reach out to me offlist. And this is why we're going to have the always remember to lock your screen before stepping way from

Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Dorian Kim dor...@blackrose.org wrote: This most likely won’t happen unless it becomes some sort of an international treaty obligation and even then it would end up in courts for a long time. Leaving aside data privacy requirements many carriers have, most

Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity

On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Jim Richardson weaselkee...@gmail.com wrote: I pay for (x) bits/sec up/down. From/to any eyecandysource. If said eyecandy origination can't handle the traffic, then I see a slowdown, that's life. But if $IP_PROVIDER throttles it specifically, rather than

Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:01 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Bill, on your list of not so wonderful things in DC, you left off: Weather

Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins

On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Jack Bates jba...@paradoxnetworks.net wrote: On 7/27/2014 12:41 PM, Matthew Petach wrote: You wouldn't like it here in the Bay Area. It's horrible, there's pollution all the time, the traffic is terrible, there's no reasonable public transportation, there's

Re: [OPINION] Best place in the US for NetAdmins

that can stay aloft for days... hmmm... Nah, already have too much on my plate. but the idea is intriguing. Matt -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Jack Bates Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM To: Matthew Petach; Owen DeLong Cc: NANOG (nanog

Re: Richard Bennett, NANOG posting, and Integrity

On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Eric Brunner-Williams brun...@nic-naa.net wrote: On 7/25/14 4:29 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: Not that some leading proponents of net neutrality would even know a router if it bit them ... i'm _trying_ to imagine the lobbyists, corporate counsels, and

Re: TCP Window Scaling issue

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Zach Hill zach.reb...@gmail.com wrote: Also just to reiterate I would lean more heavily on something fishy in the WAN cloud if all traffic from Site 1 to Site 2 were not seeing tcp window scaling properly, however it's only for Server A that is seeing this.

Re: TCP Window Scaling issue

On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Zach Hill zach.reb...@gmail.com wrote: All are from SPAN ports at each end. So for the second round of packet captures Site 1 is from a SPAN port off the NIC of Server A. Site 2 is from a SPAN port off the NIC of the MPLS router. The first round of packet

Re: Connectivity issue between Verizon and Amazon EC2 (NTT issue?)

On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Ray Van Dolson rvandol...@esri.com wrote: [...] Further update -- Verizon indicates that the issue is related to saturation on a peering link between themselves and NTT. Verizon is pointing to the NTT side as the source of the saturation / congestion. So,

Re: Netflix To Cogent To World

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: [snip] Who's gonna depeer Cogent *now*? Probably noone... at least not without compromising and first peering with Netflix. It would be

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Michael Conlen m...@conlen.org wrote: On Jul 18, 2014, at 2:32 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Owen DeLong o...@delong.com But the part that will really bend your mind is when you realize that there is no

Re: Muni Fiber and Politics

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: In an organization as large as Verizon there are many reasons why a policy gets changed. I'm certain that there are product guys who were saying our customers want this. I'm sure there were marketing folks saying we can

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: We've never been asked to POP that location. what location? i gobbled and found the rocky mtn ix, but it seems to be in coresite and defunct. there is some any2 exchange claiming to be the second largest on the left coast,

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Brett Glass na...@brettglass.com wrote: [...] If Netflix tries to use its market power to harm ISPs, or to smear us via nasty on-screen messages as it has been smearing Verizon, ISPs have no choice but to react. One way we could do this -- and I'm strongly

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: [...] I already have a hard-on for VZN. :-) I think Jay just won the TMI award for this thread... ;P Matt

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Benson, The difference, and its a large one, is that the large operators have no interest in building in the less dense rural (and sometimes suburban) areas. The smaller operators are often the only provider in the area

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 1:42 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: Brett's concerns seem to center around his ability to be cost-competitive with the big guys in his area...which implies

Re: Inevitable death, was Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Scott Helms khe...@zcorum.com wrote: Matt, While I understand your point _and_ I agree that in most cases an ISP should have an ASN. Having said that, I work with multiple operators around the US that have exactly one somewhat economical choice for

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: Right now, peering agreements are the wild west. no. those days passed in the last century. you just don't know them. but then, you are not an operator so no surprise. what you are

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, mcfbbqroast . bbqro...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Let's cut the crap, Verizon is not irritated by Netflix's policies. They're irritated by Netflix and friends cutting into their far more lucrative content market. True--otherwise, it would make more sense for

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:09 AM, na...@brettglass.com wrote: At 11:39 PM 7/12/2014, Steven Tardy wrote: How would 4U of rent and 500W($50) electricity *not* save money? Because, on top of that, we'd have huge bandwidth expenses. I know I'm just a dumb troll, but don't you have the same

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Todd Lyons tly...@ivenue.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: How would 4U of rent and 500W($50) electricity *not* save money? Because, on top of that, we'd have huge bandwidth expenses. I know I'm just

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com To the core of the internet, if you do not have an AS number, you do not exist. If your business does not have an AS number *as far as the BGP

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Jima na...@jima.us wrote: [...] I guess I'm just glad that my home ISP can justify anteing up for a pipe to SIX, resources for hosting OpenConnect nodes, and, for that matter, an ASN. Indeed, not everyone can. Jima I'm sorry. If your ISP doesn't

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Jima na...@jima.us wrote

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: Sure. We call those companies resellers. Or, if they actually do bring some additional value to the table, they're VARs. Not ISPs

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

Vice President of Technology ZCorum (678) 507-5000 http://twitter.com/kscotthelms On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: I'm sorry. This is a networking mailing list, not a feel

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Naslund, Steve snasl...@medline.com wrote: Here we go down the rabbit hole again. This is not difficult. An Internet Service Provider is an entity that provides Internet connectivity to

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: And, of course, one might ask why Netflix isn't ... making use of a caching network like Akamai, as many other large traffic sources do on a routine basis. they do. netflix rolls their own

Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Jimmy Hess wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Randy Bush wrote: [snip] At the ISPs expense, including connectivity to a peering point. Most content

Re: Feedback Requested: Routing Resilience Manifesto

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Andrei Robachevsky robachev...@isoc.org wrote: Colleagues, A small group of network operators has been working on defining a minimal, but feasible package of recommended measures that, if deployed on a wide scale, could result in visible improvements to the

Re: Next steps in extortion case - ideas?

On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Markus unive...@truemetal.org wrote: Am 28.06.2014 15:05, schrieb Justin M. Streiner: Have you contacted your local police, or the German equivalent (the BKA?) of the United States' FBI? [...] My personal opinion is that having a PI go to the

Re: Advice on BGP + uCARP setup on 2 Debian Gateways

On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Toney Mareo halfli...@gmx.com wrote: Hi Toney, I think something must have gone wrong with your email; all the fine advice you had intended to pass along didn't seem to make it through intact; all we got was an empty message body, and no advice. Thanks! Matt

Re: Help with route latency between TATA and Comcast

260ms from VA to SG is about right. I'd suspect the DNS is wrong in this case, as otherwise they somehow went from LAX to SG in less than 10ms--and if they found a way to do that, I suspect they'd have a *lot* more customers beating down their doors to get onto that pathway. :P Matt On Tue,

Re: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion

On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 6/19/14 4:30 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: which content providers (large-ish ones) are lagging still?

Re: Credit to Digital Ocean for ipv6 offering

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Alan Clegg a...@clegg.com wrote: On 6/17/14, 1:29 PM, rw...@ropeguru.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:25:37 -0400 valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:14:04 -0400, rw...@ropeguru.com said: No, 8 individual IPv6 addresses. Wow.

Re: Applications that break when not using /64

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: On 2014-06-17 22:36, Grzegorz Janoszka wrote: On 2014-06-17 22:13, David Conrad wrote: On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka grzeg...@janoszka.pl wrote: There are still applications that break with subnet

Re: Applications that break when not using /64

On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Jeroen Massar jer...@massar.ch wrote: On 2014-06-18 00:02, Matthew Petach wrote: [..] I tried to configure my FreeBSD box at home to use a /120 subnet mask. It consistently crashed with a kernel panic. Where is the bug report? I am fairly confident

Re: Getting pretty close to default IPv4 route maximum for 6500/7600 routers.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote: joel jaeggli wrote the following on 6/10/2014 1:10 PM: On 6/10/14, 10:39 AM, Blake Hudson wrote: Łukasz Bromirski wrote the following on 6/10/2014 12:15 PM: Hi Blake, On 10 Jun 2014, at 19:04, Blake Hudson

2014.06.03 NANOG61 day 2 afternoon notes

Notes from the afternoon session today are up. :) http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG61aft3 Matt

2014.06.04 NANOG61 day 3 notes

Morning and afternoon notes are both up at http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG61morn4 and http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG61aft4 been another action-packed (well, meeting-packed) day, so apologies for the updates having to wait until the end of the day like this. Awesome

2014.06.03 NANOG61 DNS session notes up

sorry, I'm terribly behind today. I had thought I was going to have time to put together a lightning talk presentation about our IPsec solution, but today's been so hectic I didn't have a chance to pull slides together. maybe next time. ^_^; Instead, you get notes from the DNS track this

2014.06.02 NANOG61 morning notes posted

If anyone isn't here in Bellevue today (unlikely, given how packed it is; amazing turnout for this NANOG!) but is curious about notes from this morning, I've put my notes up at http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG61morn2 Thank you Dave Meyer for a great keynote, and kudos to NTT for an

2014.06.02 NANOG61 day 1 afternoon notes

I posted my notes from the afternoon session up at http://nanog.cluepon.net/index.php/NANOG61aft2 I am in the security track, but not recording notes, as speakers have asked to be off the record for the discussions. So, I'll resume notes tomorrow morning. Have a wonderful evening everyone!

Re: IPv6 at 50% for VZW (Re: NAT IP and Google)

On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Ryan Rawdon r...@u13.net wrote: On May 22, 2014, at 9:18 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 5/22/14 8:04 AM, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: [snip

Re: Large DDoS, small extortion

On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: Thanks everyone. There's been a lot of great on and off list responses, and we have a much better list of contacts for the next time this happens. We are in contact with the FBI now (very impressed, particularly

seeking nanog hotel room to crash in

looks like i waited too long again to reserve a hotel room for nanog...anyone have a double room with an unused bed they'd be willing to split with a very quiet roommate? ^_^; thanks! Matt

Re: IPv6 at 50% for VZW (Re: NAT IP and Google)

On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 5/22/14 8:04 AM, Livingood, Jason jason_living...@cable.comcast.com wrote: On 5/21/14, 9:38 PM, Jared Mauch ja...@puck.nether.net wrote: On May 21, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Ca By cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Verizon Wireless

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP

On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Owen DeLong o...@delong.com wrote: Traffic Symmetry is a distraction that the $ACCESS_PROVIDERS would like us to focus on. The reality is that $ACCESS_PROVIDERS want us to focus on that so that we don’t see what is really going on which is a battle to

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3)

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Michael Thomas m...@mtcc.com wrote: Scott Helms wrote: Mark, Bandwidth use trends are actually increasingly asymmetical because of the popularity of OTT video. Until my other half decides to upload a video. Is it too much to ask for a bucket of bits

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Blake Hudson bl...@ispn.net wrote: in the context of this discussion I think it's silly for a residential ISP to purport themselves to be a neutral carrier of traffic and

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP

On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:14 PM, James R Cutler james.cut...@consultant.com wrote: All this talk about symmetry and asymmetry is interesting. Has anyone actually quantified how much congestion is due to buffer bloat which is, in turn, exacerbated by asymmetric connections? James R.

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality (was: Wow its been quiet here...

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Hugo Slabbert h...@slabnet.com wrote: So, at the end of the week, I *had* been paying $10/mb to send traffic through transit to reach the whole rest of the internet. Now, I'm paying $5+$4+$4+$5+$2, or $30, and I don't have a full set of routes, so I've still

A simple proposal

There's been a whole lot of chatter recently about whether or not it's sensible to require balanced peering ratios when selling heavily unbalanced services to customers. There's a very simple solution, it seems. Just have every website, every streaming service, every bit of consumable internet

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality (was: Wow its been quiet here...

On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Rick Astley jna...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The reality is an increasingly directly peered Internet doesn't sit well if you are in the business of being the middle man. Now if you will, why do transit companies themselves charge content companies to deliver

Re: Observations of an Internet Middleman (Level3) (was: RIP Network Neutrality (was: Wow its been quiet here...

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Roland Dobbins rdobb...@arbor.net wrote: On May 14, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.com wrote: I'm constantly amazed at how access networks think they can charge 2/3 the price of full transit for just their routes when they represent less

Re: The Cidr Report

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote: If the whole thing breaks, I'm taking a vacation. Dammit, I'm *on* vacation--don't break the whole thing! Matt Andrew -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

of characterization of backbone providers, but rather of broadband providers. I hope this helps clear up any confusion. Thanks! Matt On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Matthew Petach mpet...@netflight.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.netwrote: Anyone afraid

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Rick Astley jna...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a quote I made in the other thread around the same time you were sending this: I also think the practice of paying an intermediary ISP a per Mbps rate in order to get to a last mile ISP over a settlement free

Re: The FCC is planning new net neutrality rules. And they could enshrine pay-for-play. - The Washington Post

On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 5:15 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.netwrote: Anyone afraid what will happen when companies which have monopolies can charge content providers or guarantee packet loss? In a normal free market, if two companies with a mutual consumer have a tiff, the consumer

Re: What Net Neutrality should and should not cover

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Rick Astley jna...@gmail.com wrote: [...] It would be sort of the same concept of my grandmother calling my cell phone yet we both need to pay for our individual phone lines to at least reach the carrier tasked with connecting our call. Even if my grandmother

Re: [[Infowarrior] - NSA Said to Have Used Heartbleed Bug for Years]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:27 AM, TGLASSEY tglas...@earthlink.net wrote: Vladis is %100 on the money here. Lets take this a step farther and ask is there a criminal liability for the person who checked that code in - Oh you bet there is... Todd Thank you--I needed some humour in my morning,

Re: DMARC - CERT?

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Laszlo Hanyecz las...@heliacal.netwrote: By their statement it's obvious that yahoo doesn't care about what they broke. It's unfortunate that email has become so centralized that one entity can cause so much 'trouble'. Maybe it's a good opportunity to

Re: [[Infowarrior] - NSA Said to Have Used Heartbleed Bug for Years]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 04/14/2014 05:50 PM, John Levine wrote: In article 534c68f4@cox.net you write: On 4/14/2014 9:38 AM, Matthew Black wrote: Shouldn't a decent OS scrub RAM and disk sectors before allocating them to processes,

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