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On 3/15/22 21:40, Eric Kuhnke wrote: If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done consistently throughout North America. Rwanda and Uganda are

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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 12:51:56PM -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > > On Mar 16, 2022, at 12:24 , Chris Adams wrote: > > > > Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: > >> You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: > >> > >> 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:29:07AM -0700, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: > > 1.Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). > 2.Turn off the Daylight Stupid Time flag. > > The previous change involved updating MANY

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> On Mar 16, 2022, at 12:24 , Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: >> You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: >> >> 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). > > And now your system displays wrong info 100% of the time, since as I

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Indeed. I was quite surprised to learn that an issue we were dealing with was a result of not having have the latest TZ file installed. On 3/16/2022 4:47 PM, Ask Bjørn Hansen wrote: This is a weirdly long thread, mostly unrelated to NANOG, it seems. The work for how this will be implemented

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It appears that Chris Adams said: >Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: >> You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: >> >> 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). > >And now your system displays wrong info 100% of the time, since as I >understand it, the

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It appears that Jay Hennigan said: >Some systems are dumbed-down with drop-down menus listing cities like >"Americas-Los Angeles" and similar. These will require a bit of work on >the back end. Unix and linux systems have a timezone database that has the historic time zones for everywhere they

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This is a weirdly long thread, mostly unrelated to NANOG, it seems. The work for how this will be implemented in most of our computers happens on the TZ list by thoughtful people with lots and lots of experience on the subject: https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/tz/ I believe the last change in

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  On 3/16/2022 7:11 AM, John Levine wrote: It appears that Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG said: All that's left to solve is in-person stuff...which already currently sucks. "My flight leaves at 6 AM local time and lasts 90 minutes, but I'm crossing 3 timezones heading west...

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On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:31 AM Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote: > > > You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: > > 1. Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). > 2. Turn off the Daylight Stupid Time flag. > > This doesn't work at all if you want to properly

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On 3/16/22 10:41, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: Have we not learned, yet, the "don't lie to the computers" rule? How *would* the timezone libraries handle "DST always on"? They would still have to flap, twice a year, right? It depends. The easy ones have two settings with an optional third. 1.

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Once upon a time, Owen DeLong said: > You’re right… Two changes to a single file in most cases: > > 1.Set the correct new timezone (e.g. MST for California). And now your system displays wrong info 100% of the time, since as I understand it, the zones will be changed (e.g. for me, CST will

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> On Mar 16, 2022, at 10:41 , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > - Original Message - >> From: "Owen DeLong" > >> No development really necessary… Just pick the corresponding standard-time >> timezone and turn off the DST flip flopping. >> >> E.g. if you are in California and go always-on,

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:44 , Jay Hennigan wrote: > > On 3/15/22 12:26, Ray Van Dolson via NANOG wrote: >> I think this is essentially the bill: >> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text >> Not finding anything about 15 degrees. > > The 15 degrees is kind of a joke.

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> > How *would* the timezone libraries handle "DST always on"? They would still > have to flap, twice a year, right? > AFAIK, the way stuff works now is essentially "always get the standard time, adjust it if DST is enabled and in effect." On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:42 PM Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

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; > I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen > degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from > your language the bill will be permanent standard time. > > I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can expla

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- Original Message - > From: "Owen DeLong" > No development really necessary… Just pick the corresponding standard-time > timezone and turn off the DST flip flopping. > > E.g. if you are in California and go always-on, then simply mark it as MST > year > round. > (i.e. just like you’re

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 15:05 , Jan Schaumann via NANOG wrote: > > Dave wrote: >> Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard >> thing to accomplish > > Oh, hah, good one. > > I twitch with mild PTSD thinking about the last time > there was change to DST in

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It appears that Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG said: >All that's left to solve is in-person stuff...which already currently sucks. > >"My flight leaves at 6 AM local time and lasts 90 minutes, but I'm crossing >3 timezones heading west... It could be worse. In non-COVID times there are flights

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 17:34 , Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Dave said: >> Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard >> thing to accomplish > > For lots of up-to-date servers running a current and well-maintained > operating system, this will be

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-Original Message- >> From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jay R. >> Ashworth >> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:30 PM >> To: Tom Beecher >> Cc: nanog@nanog.org list >> Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST >> Oh. This was "Unanimous Consent"?

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utube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Jay R. Ashworth" mailto:j...@baylink.com>> > To: "nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> list" <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:11:19 PM > Subject: "Permane

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> "My flight leaves at 6 AM local time and lasts 90 minutes, but I'm crossing 3 > timezones heading west...so you need to pick me up at...uh4:30 AM your > time? Oh waitare you currently in DST or not because we don't do DST > here, but I think you doso you either need to pick me

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:09 PM Joe Greco wrote: > We COULD all work in UTC and un-learn the weird system of hour offsets > and timezones. This would be convenient for people at a distance, since > it would be simply a matter of stating availability hours, rather than > giving someone hours AND

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 1:24 PM, Elmar K. Bins wrote: > > 2 - I like how american politics is capable of creating new problems; where > did this bill come from in the first place? And who's lobbying? According to the universal time law, the US is on Standard Time unless a state chooses

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t Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jason Baugher" To: "Eric Tykwinski" , "nanog@nanog.org list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:18:46 PM Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST In the 70’s, you couldn’t check your sm

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@nanog.org list" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:11:19 PM Subject: "Permanent" DST In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would 1) Cancel DST permanently, and 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east. My opinion of this ought

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On 2022-03-16, at 13:26, Tom Beecher wrote: > > I certainly can't find any references to a massive uptake in kids getting > doinked by cars at dark bus stops in that 70s experiment. Of course not. The game is that at least one kid will die in the time an experiment runs, and the press will

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> > I'd missed that; thanks. > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "Tom Beecher" > > To: "Eric Kuhnke" > > Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:04:02 PM > > Subject: Re: "Permanent"

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Changing the relationship between local time and true solar noon to provide more or less sunlight during certain times of the day and certain times of the year is a totally suboptimal solution. Its like changing your oil by rotating your entire car while holding the oil filter stationary. But

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4039 mh...@ox.com | www.ox.com ... -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:30 PM To: Tom Beecher Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST Oh. This was "Unanimous Consent"? AKA "I want to vote for this

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On 3/15/22 19:28, Sabri Berisha wrote: - On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:35 PM, nanog nanog@nanog.org wrote: But how will we remember to change the batteries in our smoke and CO2 detectors then? Don't worry, they'll remind you. At 3am. With an annoying beep. If only it were that easy. The

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- On Mar 15, 2022, at 12:35 PM, nanog nanog@nanog.org wrote: Hi, > But how will we remember to change the batteries in our smoke and CO2 > detectors > then? Don't worry, they'll remind you. At 3am. With an annoying beep. Thanks, Sabri

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Once upon a time, Jay R. Ashworth said: > This also, as I understood it, why high-school is always the first grade > level which starts, and ends, the school day (often 7a-2p or so). Not "always"... high school starts 30-40 minutes later than the younger kids here. -- Chris Adams

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- Original Message - > From: "Keith Stokes" > There are plenty of arguments that the existing school hours aren’t best for > educating children so the better answer might be to make school hours match > later daylight hours. As it turns out, there's a deeper answer here: There are

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Once upon a time, Dave said: > Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard > thing to accomplish For lots of up-to-date servers running a current and well-maintained operating system, this will be mostly easy (except that if you maintain hundreds of servers,

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On 3/15/2022 1:19 PM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote: On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done consistently

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14-460-4039 > mh...@ox.com | www.ox.com > ... > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jay R. > Ashworth > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:30 PM > To: Tom Beecher > Cc: nanog@nanog.org list &g

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And here's the NPR story which leads with "the Senate passed a bill": https://www.npr.org/2022/03/15/1086773840/daylight-saving-time-permanent-senate I really don't know why that site does not list it, because it certainly should. But here you are. On March 15, 2022 6:07:36 PM EDT, Matthew

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"where did this bill come from in the first place?" The whitehouse, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (Sponsor), Sen. Marco Rubio (Co-sponsor) On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:47 PM Elmar K. Bins wrote: > dedel...@iname.com (Dave) wrote: > > > Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a

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S.623 as amended, literally hundreds of Tweets in the last 2 hours tell me. Yeah, this just happened today. That would be why NPR lead with it on the 4 p.m. newscast. On March 15, 2022 6:07:36 PM EDT, Matthew Petach wrote: >Please provide a link documenting this claim. > >I have been reviewing

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It appears that Mel Beckman said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >We already have this problem with Arizona, which never changes time for the >summer. Sure it does. It switches from MST to PDT. Helpfully, John

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with all this discussion, i have not seen any post of this classic and most critical explainer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4EUTMPuvHo

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... -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jay R. Ashworth Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:30 PM To: Tom Beecher Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent&quo

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Please provide a link documenting this claim. I have been reviewing the actions listed on congress.gov, and this is not an action listed as having taken place. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623/all-actions?overview=closed#tabs The last action shown for this bill was

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Dave wrote: > Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard > thing to accomplish Oh, hah, good one. I twitch with mild PTSD thinking about the last time there was change to DST in the US[1], and how everybody quickly found out that e.g., Java, databases,

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 02:06:50PM -0700, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote: > "..rational time worldwide"? Like all of China in one timezone and Mumbai > :30 off center? and Arizona? and that one county in Idaho? The word "rational" does not belong in a sentence discussing timezones or even

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> > On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:06 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > > It violates the international rule determining what your time zone should be > based on what your longitude is. > > That is not trivial. It’s an informal convention, not “rule”, and it not vaguely consistent in practice now.

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Mel Beckman wrote: > > We already have this problem with Arizona, which never changes time for the > summer. Except for the Navajo Nation…

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> > I’m all for giving up the time change, but the standard should probably > still be UTC offset. > That's literally what the text of the bill does. On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:08 PM Eric Tykwinski wrote: > What I don’t understand, is why change time, just change working hours. > I’m all for

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> Cc: "nanog@nanog.org list" > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 5:04:02 PM > Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST > I would say if something passes the United States Senate in our current > political environment by unanimous consent (which this did) , I kinda feel > like

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:22:14PM -0700, Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 3/15/22 12:19, Dave wrote: > >Ending DST is a really good idea. > > > >Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental > >impact statement will take forever to write > > Moving 15 degrees east would put

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    On 3/15/2022 9:22 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 3/15/22 12:19, Dave wrote: Ending DST is a really good idea. Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental impact statement will take forever to write Moving 15 degrees east would put Washington DC in the

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On 2022-03-15 14:37, Eric Tykwinski wrote: What I don’t understand, is why change time, just change working hours. I’m all for giving up the time change, but the standard should probably still be UTC offset. If you work 9-5, change it to 10-6.  Every company can post working hours on their

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nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST What I don't understand, is why change time, just change working hours. I'm all for giving up the time change, but the standard should probably still be UTC offset. If you work 9-5, change it to 10-6. Every company can post working hour

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Agreed, it seems pretty foolish to move us to “permanent” DST instead of just going with standard time, as far as offset from UTC goes. If I had my way, the world would just use UTC and drop all the timezone stuff. But small steps, getting rid of the DST change is a good start. Jason From

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"..rational time worldwide"? Like all of China in one timezone and Mumbai :30 off center? and Arizona? and that one county in Idaho? I can't agree with any technical objections because there is already the need to account for all these bizarre details worldwide and even DST in the US changed in

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Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a eric> real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the eric> border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done eric> consistently throughout North America.

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I would say if something passes the United States Senate in our current political environment by unanimous consent (which this did) , I kinda feel like there won't be a ton of issues with everybody figuring out how to line themselves up appropriately. On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke

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2:35 PM To: Dave ; Jay R. Ashworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST But how will we remember to change the batteries in our smoke and CO2 detectors then? Sent from ProtonMail for iOS On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:19 PM, Dave mailto:dedel...@iname.com>> w

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re *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's happening, in my engineering appraisal.  Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim to professional opinions there. -- jra -

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. Ashworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use caution when opening attachments, clicking links, or responding. On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth mailto:j...@baylink.com>> wrote:

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It has been bubbling under for some years-there are about I think it's 10 or 11 states which have already passed state laws changing it, pending that the federal law blocking those be dropped-that's the Uniform Time Act of 1966 if I have the title correct. And to reply to somebody else his

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 13:11, Kain, Becki (.) wrote: > >  > What does Arizona do since you’re saying all of N America has to be the same? > Arizona doesn’t do daylight time at all. They stay MST year-round. During the summer they are the same as California.

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What I don’t understand, is why change time, just change working hours. I’m all for giving up the time change, but the standard should probably still be UTC offset. If you work 9-5, change it to 10-6. Every company can post working hours on their website. Obviously for most of us, it’s a moot

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Sure, but you imply that the proposed alternative=-going to permanent DST--is only a trivial change to, and it is not. It violates the international rule determining what your time zone should be based on what your longitude is. That is not trivial. On March 15, 2022 4:25:21 PM EDT

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That is true but at present everything business related in BC has a clear expectation of being in the same time zone as WA/OR/CA, and AB matches US Mountain time. On Tue, 15 Mar 2022 at 13:35, Paul Ebersman wrote: > eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a > eric>

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eric> If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a eric> real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the eric> border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done eric> consistently throughout North America. You must not have ever dealt with Indiana, where

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Wouldn't that move Detroit into Lake Erie? From: NANOG On Behalf Of james.cut...@consultant.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 4:16 PM To: Jay R. Ashworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use cau

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Folks, for most, this change removes the twice yearly disruption of their circadian rhythm and consequent surge of accidents and injuries. My timely recommendation, which also require change to a single file, is to stick to “standard” time year round making solar high noon closer to 12:00.

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dedel...@iname.com (Dave) wrote: > Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard > thing to accomplish Well... 1 - I'm surprised anybody is running local timezones on their systems at all 2 - I like how american politics is capable of creating new problems;

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(-8 thru -5 >> is >> replaced permanently with -7 thru -4). >> >> They are *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's >> happening, >> in my engineering appraisal. Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim >> to professio

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gt; From: NANOG on behalf of > Ray Van Dolson via NANOG > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:26 PM > To: Mel Beckman ; Jay R. Ashworth > Cc: nanog@nanog.org list > Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST > > I think this is essentially the bill: > > https://www.congr

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> > 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east. Mind if I ask where you got this? Nowhere can I find an article or bill referencing this specific point. This article

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> On Mar 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > > If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, > dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, > for instance. It has to be done consistently throughout North America. Nah, not

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WaPo has a been there done that item today. https://www.washingtonian.com/2022/03/15/the-us-tried-permanent-daylight-saving-time-in-the-70s-people-hated-it/ On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:11 PM Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would > > 1)

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to:j...@baylink.com>> > Cc: nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org> list <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> > Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST > > I think this is essentially the bill: > > https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text >

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On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would > > 1) Cancel DST permanently, and > 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east. While I thoroughly agree with item 1, I suggest that the seismic

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Folks for most systems, this is a change to a single file. Not a really hard thing to accomplish Dave > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Dave wrote: > > Ending DST is a really good idea. > > Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental > impact statement will take

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On 3/15/22 12:40, Eric Kuhnke wrote: If Canada doesn't do the same thing at the same time, it'll be a real hassle, dealing with a change from -8 to -7 crossing the border between BC and WA, for instance. It has to be done consistently throughout North America. That would be no different than

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What does Arizona do since you’re saying all of N America has to be the same? From: NANOG On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:41 PM To: Jay R. Ashworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Mot

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Interesting - AZ would join PDT as UTC-7. I wonder if they'd switch to line up with the rest of MDT. - Thomas Scott | mr.thomas.sc...@gmail.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:47 PM wrote: > Apparently this also adjusted the calendar, making today 2022-04-01 ? > >

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f of Ray Van Dolson via NANOG Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 12:26 PM To: Mel Beckman ; Jay R. Ashworth Cc: nanog@nanog.org list Subject: RE: "Permanent" DST I think this is essentially the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text Not finding anything about

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re *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's happening, in my engineering appraisal. Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim to professional opinions there. -- jra - Original Message - > From: "Mel Beckman" mailto:m...@beckman.org>> &g

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On 3/15/22 12:26, Ray Van Dolson via NANOG wrote: I think this is essentially the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text Not finding anything about 15 degrees. The 15 degrees is kind of a joke. It means that "high noon", when the sun is at zenith, would occur

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Ok, so the fifteen degrees is bogus, nothing moves, and all that is really happening is standard time is ending. The OP here wins an award for “obfuscating reality”. No sweat. Fixing all the systems to comply with the new time rules is billable :) -mel via cell > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:36

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ill is "permanently move all US time zones one hour earlier (-8 thru > -5 is > replaced permanently with -7 thru -4). > > They are *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's > happening, > in my engineering appraisal. Or my geopolitical one, but I don't la

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Well, it would create term limits -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Jay Hennigan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:22 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company. Use caution when opening a

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Apparently this also adjusted the calendar, making today 2022-04-01 ?

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On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:33 PM Ray Van Dolson via NANOG wrote: > I think this is essentially the bill: > https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/69/text > > Not finding anything about 15 degrees. 360 / 24 = 15. Because we'd standardize on DST instead of the old railroad time

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But how will we remember to change the batteries in our smoke and CO2 detectors then? Sent from ProtonMail for iOS On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 3:19 PM, Dave wrote: Ending DST is a really good idea.Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental impact

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The bill is "permanently move all US time zones one hour earlier (-8 thru -5 is replaced permanently with -7 thru -4). They are *calling it* "permanent DST", but that's not really what's happening, in my engineering appraisal. Or my geopolitical one, but I don't lay claim

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list Subject: Re: "Permanent" DST I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from your language the bill will be permanent standard time. I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you c

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Permanent DST has the same effect as cancelling DST and moving all the timezones up one hour. Since timezones are roughly sliced every 15 degrees of ... longitude?, hefting the physical US 15 degrees eastward would have the same effect on timezones as just a legal glitch to change them. On 15

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On 3/15/22 12:19, Dave wrote: Ending DST is a really good idea. Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental impact statement will take forever to write Moving 15 degrees east would put Washington DC in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. This might not be a bad

Re: "Permanent" DST

I don’t follow why cancelling DST has the effect of moving the US fifteen degrees to the east. Also, your subject line reads “permanent DST”, but from your language the bill will be permanent standard time. I haven’t read the bill, but I’m hoping you can explain your position more clearly

Re: "Permanent" DST

Ending DST is a really good idea. Moving 15 degrees East not so much but let’s face it, the environmental impact statement will take forever to write Dave > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would > > 1)

"Permanent" DST

In a unanimous vote today, the US Senate approved a bill which would 1) Cancel DST permanently, and 2) Move every square inch of US territory 15 degrees to the east. My opinion of this ought to be obvious from my rhetoric. Hopefully, it will fail, because it's likely to be the end of rational