RE: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-05 Thread Jones, Barry
Subject: Re: AD and enforced password policies On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:09 19AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-04 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: AD and enforced password policies Date: Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:16:38PM - Quoting Tim Franklin (t...@pelican.org): There is indeed a difference between Europe (or is it only .SE?) and USA here; no bank in Sweden lets you login without at least a client certificate

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-04 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: Re: AD and enforced password policies Date: Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 10:58:35PM -0600 Quoting Jimmy Hess (mysi...@gmail.com): Manual forced immediate password expiration should be in the security admin's toolbox as a possible response to observation of questionable or potentially

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Måns Nilsson
Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I would say 365 day expiration is a little long, 3 months is about the average in a non financial oriented network. If you force me to change

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Greg Ihnen
On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I would say 365 day expiration is a little long, 3 months is about the average in a non

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Todd Underwood
...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I would say 365 day expiration is a little long, 3 months is about the average

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Michael Thomas
On 01/03/2012 05:09 AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: A side issue is the people who use the same password at fuzzykittens.com as they do at bankofamerica.com. Of course fuzzykittens doesn't need high security for their password management and storage. After all, what's worth stealing at fuzzykittens? All

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 3, 2012, at 8:09 19AM, Greg Ihnen wrote: On Jan 3, 2012, at 4:14 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I would say 365 day expiration is a little

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 05:09, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A side issue is the people who use the same password at fuzzykittens.com as they do at bankofamerica.com. Of course fuzzykittens doesn't need high security for their password management and storage. After all, what's

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Tim Franklin
There is indeed a difference between Europe (or is it only .SE?) and USA here; no bank in Sweden lets you login without at least a client certificate and password/pin code. Most banks have a hardware token, either challenge-response or HOTP/TOTP; some use the chip in chip-and-pin cards as

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Jared Mauch
On Jan 2, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Steven Bellovin wrote: Minimum Length : 8 Maximum Length : 12 Maximum Repeated Characters : 2 Minimum Alphabetic Characters Required : 1 Minimum Numeric Characters Required : 1 Starts with a Numeric Character No User Name

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Randy Bush
fwiw, citibank in the states uses normal passwording for personal accounts. but citibank business uses two-factor with a password and a customized vasco digipass 270. randy

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Todd Underwood
additionally, etrade in the states has had 2-factor authentication (RSA token) for over 8 or 9 years now. it's one reasonable reason to stay with them. t On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: fwiw, citibank in the states uses normal passwording for personal

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-03 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:44 AM, Måns Nilsson mansa...@besserwisser.orgwrote: Subject: RE: AD and enforced password policies Date: Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 11:15:08PM + Quoting Blake T. Pfankuch (bl...@pfankuch.me): However I would say 365 day expiration is a little long, 3 months is about

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Robert Luethje
You would set those in users section of AD. AD can be very quirky when it wants to. Robert - Original Message - From: Jones, Barry bejo...@semprautilities.com To: Nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:27 PM Subject: AD and enforced password policies Hello all. Happy New

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Jones, Barry bejo...@semprautilities.comwrote: I have a requirement to enforce password policies on AD (a tacacs and windows domain). I don't have a great deal of Windows AD knowledge - so a newbie ;-) this is a little off topic, but I thought I'd ask... This

RE: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Blake T. Pfankuch
expiration 24 history and full complexity (via third party modules). -- Blake -Original Message- From: Jimmy Hess [mailto:mysi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:33 PM To: Jones, Barry Cc: Nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: AD and enforced password policies On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 22:32, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: The sole root cause for easily guessable passwords is not lack of technical restrictions. It's also: lazy or limited memory humans who need passwords that they can remember. Firstname1234!    is very easy to guess, and

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 2, 2012, at 7:05 PM, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 22:32, Jimmy Hess mysi...@gmail.com wrote: The sole root cause for easily guessable passwords is not lack of technical restrictions. It's also: lazy or limited memory humans who need passwords that they can

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
I just went through some calculations for a (government) site that has the following rules: [...] Under the plausible assumption that very many people will start with a string of digits, continue with a string of lower-case letters to reach seven characters, and then add a period, there are

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Steven Bellovin
On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: I just went through some calculations for a (government) site that has the following rules: [...] Under the plausible assumption that very many people will start with a string of digits, continue with a string of lower-case letters to

Re: AD and enforced password policies

2012-01-02 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:16 PM, Steven Bellovin s...@cs.columbia.edu wrote: On Jan 2, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: OK -- let's let the set of punctuation be .,; and allow seven choices for where it goes. That increases the work factor by 21 -- still not that large a space for