On 3/13/11 9:35 PM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
the real cesspool is POC registries. i wish arin would start revoking
allocations for entities with invalid POCs.
Hear, hear!
Leo's remembering the old days (80s - early '90s), when we checked whois and
called each others' NOCs directly. That
In a message written on Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:11:54PM -0400, William Allen
Simpson wrote:
Leo's remembering the old days (80s - early '90s), when we checked whois and
called each others' NOCs directly. That stopped working, and we started
getting
front line support, who's whole purpose
On 3/14/2011 12:11 PM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 3/13/11 9:35 PM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
the real cesspool is POC registries. i wish arin would start revoking
allocations for entities with invalid POCs.
Hear, hear!
Leo's remembering the old days (80s - early '90s), when we checked
On 3/13/2011 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
They really do take this serious as it cuts into productivity.
Proof they care:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:35:27 EDT, David Miller said:
Define contacts don't work properly.
- Email / phone number does not exist?
- Email / phone was answered by unhelpful person?
Somewhere between these two should be email/phone number exists, but is
completely unable to serve the function
On 3/14/2011 2:13 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:35:27 EDT, David Miller said:
Define contacts don't work properly.
- Email / phone number does not exist?
- Email / phone was answered by unhelpful person?
Somewhere between these two should be email/phone number
On 3/14/11 9:11 AM, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 3/13/11 9:35 PM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
the real cesspool is POC registries. i wish arin would start revoking
allocations for entities with invalid POCs.
Hear, hear!
Leo's remembering the old days (80s - early '90s), when we checked
Dear nanog members,
As current maintainer of DroneBL I happen to receive a lot of unwanted
packets in the form of DDoS attacks, now the DDoS itself is not the real
problem, dealing with it the fast way is.
Now most of you would think: Just filter it, put a big firewall in front
of it, bla bla
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't* care. no acting.
1) you're not a direct customer, why should they do anything? by
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't* care. no acting.
Well now, I'd say this varies considerably. There are definitely ISPs
that care and *do* work hard at reducing
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:39:02 -0700 (PDT)
goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such
issues and act like they do not care?
they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't* care. no
acting.
* Alexander Maassen:
In most cases the only thing the abuse@ contacts do as hoster, is relay
the mail to the client but do not dare to do anything themself, even if
you provide them with a shitload of logs, even if you call them and say
that the attack from their source is still continueing,
On 3/13/2011 8:39 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't* care. no
acting.
1) you're not a
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen
outsi...@scarynet.org wrote:
In most cases the only thing the abuse@ contacts do as hoster, is relay
the mail to the client but do not dare to do anything themself, even if
The RIPE IRR database contains a systemic means for operators,
On 3/13/11 8:36 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote:
On 3/13/2011 8:39 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
they don't act like they do not care. they really *don't*
On 3/13/11 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
Because network operators rarely get together and turn off routing to
abusive hosting. On the few occasions that has happened, it took years
of
On 3/13/11 7:02 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
Well now, I'd say this varies considerably. There are definitely ISPs
that care and*do* work hard at reducing abuse. But even so - assuming
I'm an ISP that cares,
- You're presenting me with evidence of abuse. OK, I don't know you.
Why should I
On 3/13/2011 1:24 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 3/13/11 8:36 AM, Andrew Kirch wrote:=
Is it time for another notion of self-defense in responding
to/retaliating against a DDoS attack of sufficient strength to hold down
a large network, or resource?
Because there just aren't enough internet
* Jeff Wheeler:
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen
outsi...@scarynet.org wrote:
In most cases the only thing the abuse@ contacts do as hoster, is relay
the mail to the client but do not dare to do anything themself, even if
The RIPE IRR database contains a systemic means for
On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Florian Weimer f...@deneb.enyo.de wrote:
Not that the IRTs are often not the party you want to talk to anyway.
This is why my post highlights the underlying mechanism/system. It
can and should be used to streamline DDoS mitigation. It is
unfortunately not in
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
So ultimately, there is already a good framework in place to
substantially fix this problem. No one uses it. That is unlikely
to change until there is an economic incentive, such as a lawsuit by
someone targeted by DoS which can be proven to be
On 13-3-2011 18:31, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 3/13/11 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
So, part of the problem is *your* upstream. Why didn't your upstream
actively remove the
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
On 13-3-2011 18:31, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 3/13/11 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
So, part of the problem is *your* upstream. Why
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On 03/13/2011 05:34 PM, goe...@anime.net wrote:
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Alexander Maassen wrote:
On 13-3-2011 18:31, William Allen Simpson wrote:
On 3/13/11 7:45 AM, Alexander Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing
In a message written on Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 12:45:04PM +0100, Alexander
Maassen wrote:
Why o why are isp's and hosters so ignorant in dealing with such issues
and act like they do not care?
One of the things you have to remember is that ISP's get a ton of
reports, and most of them are of very
Op 14-3-2011 0:21, Leo Bicknell schreef:
Quite frankly, most ISP's aren't going to take your DDOS report
seriously via e-mail. If it's not bad enough to you that it is
worth your time and money to make a phone call and help them track
it down it is not worth their time and money to track
On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Leo Bicknell wrote:
Quite frankly, most ISP's aren't going to take your DDOS report
seriously via e-mail. If it's not bad enough to you that it is
worth your time and money to make a phone call and help them track
it down it is not worth their time and money to track it
Depends on what you're yelling at them about and what you tell them.
I've picked up the phone and had a NOC guy at a russian SP (can't
remember which, Caravan I think) kill off a syn flood that was hitting
us promptly, at like 1 AM their time.
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, goe...@anime.net
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