Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-11 Thread Bryan Fields
On 9/10/15 1:15 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > The tower-deployed AP can see the cable wireless APs for miles and can see > a few dozen of them at any one time. Given the goal of full modulation at > all times for optimal use of spectrum and dollars, the ever increasing > noise from the cable APs makes

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-11 Thread Mike Hammett
;Scott Helms" <khe...@zcorum.com> Cc: "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2015 2:56:18 AM Subje

RE: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread James E. Pratt
: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:53 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles Sorry folks, attachment didn't work. Here is the link - https://www.uvm.edu/~mvoity/pole.JPG -Mike Michael Voity University of Vermont On 9/9/15 9:24 PM, Michael T. Voity wrote: > Hello, > > Toda

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Hunter Fuller
Wow, it is like they are actively sabotaging us. Sigh... None of that in this area yet - I'm sure it's only a matter of time though. On Wed, Sep 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Michael T. Voity wrote: > Sorry folks, attachment didn't work. Here is the link - > >

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Livingood, Jason
You can learn more at http://wifi.xfinity.com/. There are more than 8M hotspots around the country today and we're doing more and more outdoor / public area WiFi hotspots. In my area (Philadelphia) I hit them all along the route that my commuter train takes, so it's convenient. The XFINITY

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Livingood, Jason
Sabotaging how? - Jason On 9/9/15, 10:20 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Hunter Fuller" wrote: >Wow, it is like they are actively sabotaging us. Sigh... > >None of that in this area yet - I'm sure it's only a matter of time >though. > >On

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Matt Hoppes
lt;hf0002+na...@uah.edu> Cc: "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 7:54:56 AM Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles Sabotaging how? - Jason

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Shane Ronan
tp://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> >>> From: "Jason Livingood" <jason_living...@cable.comcast.com> >>> To: "Hunter Fuller" <hf0002+na...@uah.edu> >>> Cc: "Corey Petrulich

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Livingood, Jason
age - > >From: "Mike Lyon" <mike.l...@gmail.com> >To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.p...@gmail.com> >Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> >Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:23:46 PM >Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles > >And they are

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
ngood" <jason_living...@cable.comcast.com> To: "Hunter Fuller" <hf0002+na...@uah.edu> Cc: "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, S

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Shane Ronan
lt;hf0002+na...@uah.edu> > Cc: "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth > Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 7:54:56 AM > Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles > >

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
il.net> Cc: "Jason Livingood" <jason_living...@cable.comcast.com>, "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursd

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 9:00 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > > 5 GHz noise levels affecting people whose primary means of Internet access is > via fixed wireless . > This is a huge deal for those people like myself that depend on fixed wireless for access at home because there is

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Chris Boyd
> On Sep 9, 2015, at 11:13 PM, John Levine wrote: > > The placement may be suboptimal, but free wifi away from home is nice. > CableWifi really is a consortium, T-W customers can use Comcast's > hotspots and vice versa. If it were truly free and open access I’d be more tolerant

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Bryan Fields
On 9/10/15 9:12 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > Use 2GHz instead of 5GHz for the outdoor WiFi plants? It's come full circle! Stay out of 5.9 GHz and I'm happy :) I've seen some of the Part 15 links we have here lose SNR as the prevalence of 5.8 GHz radios grows. We've been moving a few links to the

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Scott Helms
This sounds like a hypothetical complaint, AFAIK none of the members of the CableWiFi consortium are deploying APs outside of their footprint. Since most of the APs use a cable modem for their backhaul it's not really feasible to be without at least one broadband option (the cable MSO) and be

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Luthman
t;Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: "Jared Mauch" <ja...@puck.nether.net>, "Corey Petrulich" < > corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" < > ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Yury Shefer
And the same guys (NCTA) complain about LTE-U - how dangerous it is for their s/business/WiFi http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/verizon-and-t-mobile-join-forces-in-fight-for-wi-fi-airwaves/ On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Scott Helms wrote: > This

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
l...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:50:27 AM Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles OPM, as in Other People's Money? If that's what you meant I don't think

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
.net> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net>, "Corey Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" <ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Scott Helms
> Petrulich" <corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" < > ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 9:52:59 AM > Subject: Re: WiFI on u

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Scott Helms
We should all be complaining, vociferously, about LTE-U. I've seen the tests and as it exists today LTE-U completely creams WiFi and is only usable by someone who owns a LTE license. WiFi APs will cohabitate fairly well, even if they share the same channel, because WiFi is a listen before

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Lyon
; > corey_petrul...@cable.comcast.com>, "Kenneth Falkenstein" < > ken_falkenst...@cable.comcast.com>, "NANOG mailing list" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 10:00:41 AM > Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles > > > This sou

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Lyon
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Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Josh Luthman
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Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Lyon
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Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Livingood, Jason
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Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Michael T. Voity
Thank you all for your replies to the topic I have started. UVM does not purchase Xfinity on Campus for our students to have TV via their computers or device. However Xfinity usually has a both setup on move-in day for students to individually purchase accounts to watch stuff online. UVM

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Hunter Fuller
Ehh... All that content is going over Internet2 for us anyway. I'd suspect that's a somewhat common thread (though not ubiquitous). On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: >> And it's not

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Hammett
lt;mich...@englehorn.com> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 8:16:07 PM Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles > On Sep 10, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Michael Englehorn <mich...@englehorn.com> wrote: > > My issue with the "free" wifi that comcast is f

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Hunter Fuller
Oh, sorry, that was unclear. I meant that the majority of our streaming traffic is going over I2. Netflix, YouTube, services backed by Akamai, etc. If students were to use their cable companies' streaming services, those would likely be commodity Internet. But those don't even show up in our top

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Sep 10, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Michael Englehorn wrote: > > My issue with the "free" wifi that comcast is forcing into our homes and > businesses is that it's also interfering with our own access points in > the same building! > [resending due to hitting limit on file

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Livingood, Jason
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Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >My apologies, Comcast, I have an itchy trigger finger > >A little googling indicates that the mail server that was listed on that >bounced email is a COGENT email server, not Comcast, Sounds like COGECO

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Mike Lyon
t; >> http://www.midwest-ix.com > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> > >> From: "Mike Lyon" <mike.l...@gmail.com> > >> To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.p...@gmail.com> > >> Cc: "NANOG&quo

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: > And it's not free, unless you are a Comcast or TW customer :( But it is free to the children of C customers who then can watch HD content while away at Uni without sapping the EDU bandwidth. -Jim P.

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Hunter Fuller wrote: > Ehh... All that content is going over Internet2 for us anyway. I'm genuinely curious, is that is optimized for HD delivery from TW and C, or such services as Netflix/YouTube, etc. -Jim P.

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread Michael Englehorn
://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Mike Lyon" <mike.l...@gmail.com> >> To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.p...@gmail.com> >> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> >> Sent: Wednesday,

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-10 Thread mikea
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 02:06:14PM -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: > It's either Mike, Comcast or the NANOG list, so it's probably a safe bet. Bilingual English/French may indicate a Canadian mailserver. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin

WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Michael T. Voity
Hello, Today another colleague and I discovered the famous 'xfinitywifi' ,'CableWIFi', 'CoxWiFi' and a new one 'XFINITY' on our University campus. After doing some poking around on campus we found these gems (attached picture) on 2 utility poles that pass by our east campus.Standing

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Michael T. Voity
Sorry folks, attachment didn't work. Here is the link - https://www.uvm.edu/~mvoity/pole.JPG -Mike Michael Voity University of Vermont On 9/9/15 9:24 PM, Michael T. Voity wrote: Hello, Today another colleague and I discovered the famous 'xfinitywifi' ,'CableWIFi', 'CoxWiFi' and a new

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Philip Dorr
On Sep 9, 2015 11:15 PM, "John Levine" wrote: > > The placement may be suboptimal, but free wifi away from home is nice. > CableWifi really is a consortium, T-W customers can use Comcast's > hotspots and vice versa. > Suboptimal is an understatement. How they are placed around

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Mike Lyon
this > point. > > > Phil > > > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG on behalf of "Michael T. Voity" > Organization: University of Vermont and State Agricultural College > Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 21:52 > To: <nanog@nanog.org> > Su

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread John Levine
In article

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Phil Bedard
of strand-mount Wifi APs deployed at this point. Phil -Original Message- From: NANOG on behalf of "Michael T. Voity" Organization: University of Vermont and State Agricultural College Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 21:52 To: <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re:

Re: WiFI on utility poles

2015-09-09 Thread Mike Hammett
...@gmail.com> To: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.p...@gmail.com> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 9:23:46 PM Subject: Re: WiFI on utility poles And they are as annoying as f*! and litter the already noisy 5 Ghz unlicensed band, Hopefull