RE: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread adamv0025
> Vincent Bernat > Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 3:22 PM > > ❦ 8 mai 2019 09:56 +02, Lars Prehn : > > > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives > > for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not > > to do it? > > Ensure you have a firewall

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/May/19 09:56, Lars Prehn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives > for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not > to do it? Yes. There are probably a lot of technical reasons you will receive from folk, but

Spoofer Report for NANOG for Apr 2019

2019-05-08 Thread CAIDA Spoofer Project
In response to feedback from operational security communities, CAIDA's source address validation measurement project (https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which we received packets with a spoofed source address.

Re: Routing issues to AWS environment.

2019-05-08 Thread John Von Essen
I was just about to email the group for a related issue. We are also seeing some funky routing/peering within the AWS network. We primarily communicate with Verizon Media/Oath - AS10310. Verizon Media has a presence in Singapore, and its peered locally with AWS AS38895 - we normally see 8ms

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Scott Weeks
--- j...@ntt.net wrote: From: Job Snijders on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes coordination with external entities much easier. Yes, this! Holy crap I come upon a lot of networks that

Routing issues to AWS environment.

2019-05-08 Thread Curt Rice
Hi are there any AWS engineers out there? We are seeing routing problems between NTT and AWS in Ashburn, Va and would like to find out which side is having the problem. Thanks, Curt

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Brian Kantor
On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote: > 100% true. But there is also a practical side to this ... > > When a NOC-ling, in their own local timezone, says, "hey, what happened > two hours ago?", they have to make a calculation. And that calculation > annoyingly depends

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 5/8/19 4:00 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- j...@ntt.net wrote: From: Job Snijders on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes coordination with external entities much easier. Yes, this! Holy crap I

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread J. Hellenthal via NANOG
To sum it all up... if and when ... I doubt we will worry about the internet. Food, Water, shelter and ammunition’s || that’s all else if anyone could possibly make it through. #ProblemSolved -- J. Hellenthal The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 5/8/19 6:54 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- br...@shout.net wrote: From: Bryan Holloway On 5/8/19 4:00 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- j...@ntt.net wrote: From: Job Snijders on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes coordination with external

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread Mark Rousell
On 08/05/2019 02:44, Sean Donelan wrote: > Of course, any fictional scenario is more likely to hit an ocean or > miss the planet. But that makes for a dull exercise. An ocean impact needn't be boring. It would potentially create megatsunamis over a possibly wide area on multiple coasts. Even

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Scott Weeks
--- br...@shout.net wrote: From: Bryan Holloway On 5/8/19 4:00 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > --- j...@ntt.net wrote: > From: Job Snijders > > on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all > devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes > coordination with external entities much easier. >

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Valdis Klētnieks
On Wed, 08 May 2019 14:00:11 -0700, "Scott Weeks" said: > From: Job Snijders > > on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all > devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes > coordination with external entities much easier. > > > > Yes, this! Holy

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Randy Bush
> isn't the point: "Pick one for all of your things, stick to that one > thing" it's find if you pick central indiana time, if you are setting > the same everywhere and keeping it update properly i find the time zone they choose says a lot about an operation. can be a flag of parochialism.

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Radu-Adrian Feurdean
On Wed, May 8, 2019, at 14:21, Lars Prehn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives for > doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not to do it? Hi, We (and I suppose a lot of others) do sync the border routers like any

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 9:42 PM Valdis Klētnieks wrote: > > > Newfoundland time, anybody? :) > isn't the point: "Pick one for all of your things, stick to that one thing" it's find if you pick central indiana time, if you are setting the same everywhere and keeping it update properly...AND you

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 5/8/19 10:15 PM, Bryan Holloway wrote: On 5/8/19 7:55 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote: 100% true. But there is also a practical side to this ... When a NOC-ling, in their own local timezone, says, "hey, what happened two hours ago?",

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Royce Williams
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 7:16 PM Bryan Holloway wrote: > On 5/8/19 7:55 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: > > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote: > >> 100% true. But there is also a practical side to this ... > >> > >> When a NOC-ling, in their own local timezone, says, "hey,

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Royce Williams said: > The La Crosse 404-1235UA-SS UltrAtomic (not affiliated, just a fan) tracks > DST - and even leap seconds. They have much better reach than previous > similar clocks. Looks like somebody finally brought a clock to market that uses the new-format

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Scott Weeks
--- valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: From: "Valdis Klētnieks" On Wed, 08 May 2019 14:00:11 -0700, "Scott Weeks" said: > From: Job Snijders > > on this topic, i strongly recommend to operate all > devices in the Etc/UTC timezone, this makes > coordination with external entities much easier. >

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 10:11:10AM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: > Many exercise designers could use help coming up with useful Internet > disaster sub-plots. Bad enough to inject stress into the exercise, but not > extinction. > > All ISP tech support agents are infected, and become brain eating

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Bryan Holloway
On 5/8/19 7:55 PM, Brian Kantor wrote: On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 07:47:56PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote: 100% true. But there is also a practical side to this ... When a NOC-ling, in their own local timezone, says, "hey, what happened two hours ago?", they have to make a calculation. And that

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 8 mai 2019 09:56 +02, Lars Prehn : > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives > for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not > to do it? Ensure you have a firewall rule in place to prevent people to use your router for NTP amplification.

NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Lars Prehn
Hi everyone, do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not to do it? Best regards, Lars

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 8:38 AM Job Snijders wrote: > > Dear Lars, > > On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 09:56:33AM +0200, Lars Prehn wrote: > > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? > > yes > > > If so, what are incentives for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. > > security considerations, not to do

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Job Snijders
Dear Lars, On Wed, May 08, 2019 at 09:56:33AM +0200, Lars Prehn wrote: > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? yes > If so, what are incentives for doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. > security considerations, not to do it? The major advantage of NTP syncing your routers is that it

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread Bryan Fields
On 5/7/19 3:39 PM, Mark Seiden wrote: > excellent!  (but i was hoping this would be a swamp-draining-by-vaporization > exercise.) the matador...the matador... the matador! -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Kenneth McRae via NANOG
You will also need to add you localhost as a source if you want to show that ntp association status on the router apply-flags omit; term allow-ntp { from { source-prefix-list { ntp-server; localhost; } protocol udp; port ntp; }

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread Sean Donelan
On Tue, 7 May 2019, Haudy Kazemi wrote: For any hit, a lot depends on impactor size. With an impactor of the size that took out the non-avian dinosaurs...the site of impact probably won't matter to us if humanity is unable to deflect it. I understand the intent. Earth is still a single point

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 11:20 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > The scenario was chosen to stress the partcipants, not an actual asteroid > impact. It was a fictional scenario. This was only an exercise. > > 60 meter asteroid impact in New York City, NY (roughly Central Park, NYC) > So what happened?

Re: EXERCISE: 2019 IAA Planetary Defence Conference - Day 5 Scenario

2019-05-08 Thread james jones
Did anyone trying calling Bruce Willis? On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 10:41 AM William Herrin wrote: > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 11:20 AM Sean Donelan wrote: > >> The scenario was chosen to stress the partcipants, not an actual asteroid >> impact. It was a fictional scenario. This was only an exercise.

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread John Kristoff
On Wed, 8 May 2019 07:56:33 + Lars Prehn wrote: > do you NTP sync your AS boundary routers? If so, what are incentives for > doing so? Are there incentives, e.g. security considerations, not to do it? In addition to what others have mentioned, if these systems are to perform route origin

Re: NTP for ASBRs?

2019-05-08 Thread Mark Tinka
On 8/May/19 16:22, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Ensure you have a firewall rule in place to prevent people to use your > router for NTP amplification. NTP clients are also servers. On Juniper > devices: Yep, that's a nasty little situation in Junos that took me a week to figure out back in the day