Re: Network visibility

There is still zoning on some platforms, but there are now redundancies for the zones. > On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 10/21/21 03:19, Brian Johnson wrote: > >> +1 on -48VDC. > > Wasn't much fun when half the router would shutdown because power supplies >

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

..Allen > On Oct 20, 2021, at 15:43, Matthew Walster wrote, among > other things: > > Seems pretty disingenuous to now say the called party has to pay as well, in > stark contrast to decades of precedent with their telephone product, just > because their customers are actually using what

Re: Safe Geo-location Defaults

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 15:59, Sean Donelan wrote: > > Has anyone published "safe" geo-location defaults? By safe I mean default > lat/lon coordinates for a country, state/province, city, postal code which > do not resolve near a residence. > > It seems like too many people use "Find My " or other

Re: Network visibility

On 10/21/21 14:54, Brian Johnson wrote: There is still zoning on some platforms, but there are now redundancies for the zones. Sounds complex. But to each their own. Mark.

Safe Geo-location Defaults

Has anyone published "safe" geo-location defaults? By safe I mean default lat/lon coordinates for a country, state/province, city, postal code which do not resolve near a residence. It seems like too many people use "Find My " or other geo-location services, and then go to the exact location

RE: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

So what ever happened to the threatener? Was he caught? From: NANOG On Behalf Of Martin Hannigan Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:44 PM To: Omar Haider Cc: nanog Subject: Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat? WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford

Re: Smokeping - EchoPingHttps

As to the user agents issue, take your pick: https://techblog.willshouse.com/2012/01/03/most-common-user-agents/ and see if you find a difference On 10/20/2021 7:24 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I used EchoPingHttps for the first time today. I pulled up the top 20 sites (well, removing duplicate

Re: Safe Geo-location Defaults

I'd agree with that wholly. I've had a drunk couple show up at my place years back insisting I had her phone. Once the guy tried to push through the door he got the business end of good ole Louie and a cute little breaking and entering sentence at a vacation destination known as lockup 浪 With

Re: Network visibility

On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: No, but you are ignoring the point of my message… The TCP/IP internet existed _BEFORE_ the flag day you mentioned. The flag day was the end of NCP, not the beginning of TCP/IP. IIRC, at the time, Owen, But we’re not

RE: Network visibility

I'm just kidding. I wasn't on until 1990 when I was teaching IBM 370 assembler -Original Message- From: Mel Beckman Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 12:12 PM To: Kain, Becki (.) Cc: Owen DeLong ; b...@theworld.com; nanog Subject: Re: Network visibility Becki, I was on ARPANET

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 13:09 , Michael Thomas wrote: > > > > On 10/20/21 12:38 PM, james.cut...@consultant.com > wrote: >> I miss DECUS, but not DELNIs. I miss DECUS, too. Not only do I not miss DELNIs, I don’t miss any of the trappings of

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 14:19 , b...@theworld.com wrote: > > > On October 20, 2021 at 16:08 m...@beckman.org (Mel Beckman) wrote: >> Mark, >> >> Before 1983, the ARPANET wasn’t an internet, let alone The Internet. Each >> ARPANET connection required a host-specific interface (the “IMP”) and

RE: Network visibility

How old are all you people?  (JK) -Original Message- From: NANOG On Behalf Of Owen DeLong via NANOG Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:43 AM To: b...@theworld.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Network visibility WARNING: This message originated outside of Ford Motor Company.

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 08:55 , Mel Beckman wrote: > > >> On Oct 21, 2021, at 8:19 AM, Owen DeLong > > wrote: >> >> No, but you are ignoring the point of my message… >> >> The TCP/IP internet existed _BEFORE_ the flag day you mentioned. The flag >> day was the end of

Re: Network visibility

One of my favorite classes ever. G > On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:15, Kain, Becki (.) wrote: > > I'm just kidding. I wasn't on until 1990 when I was teaching IBM 370 > assembler > > > -Original Message- > From: Mel Beckman > Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 12:12 PM > To: Kain, Becki

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:31 , Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Jay Hennigan wrote: >> On 10/20/21 10:30, Mel Beckman wrote: >>> Owen, >>> >>> LOL! Yeah, and in 1838 Samuel Morse’s telegraph system used electric >>> impulses to transmit encoded messages over a wire to Speedwell Iron Works >>> in

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:53 , Jared Brown wrote: > > Not to be outdone, British Telecom joins the cephalopod games: > > “Every Tbps (terabit-per-second) of data consumed over and above current > levels costs about £50m,” says Marc Allera, the chief executive of BT’s > consumer division.

Re: Network visibility

Becki, I was on ARPANET through the USDA in the 1980s. So, not that old :) -mel > On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:04 AM, Kain, Becki (.) wrote: > > How old are all you people? > >  > > (JK) > > > -Original Message- > From: NANOG On Behalf Of Owen > DeLong via NANOG > Sent: Thursday,

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:30 , Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail) > wrote: > > > > ..Allen > >> On Oct 20, 2021, at 15:43, Matthew Walster wrote, >> among other things: >> >> Seems pretty disingenuous to now say the called party has to pay as well, in >> stark contrast to decades of

Re: Network visibility

Guys, You guys were in grade school, some of us were there at the beginning (well, in my case, 2 years after the beginning).  I can assure you that folks made a big deal about what was and wasn't the Internet, and the distinction between "an internet" and "the (capital I) Internet." 

Re: Safe Geo-location Defaults

On 10/21/21 06:59, Sean Donelan wrote: Has anyone published "safe" geo-location defaults? By safe I mean default lat/lon coordinates for a country, state/province, city, postal code which do not resolve near a residence. It seems like too many people use "Find My " or other geo-location

Providing IPv4 Services in an IPv6 Backbone

Hi all, Have there been any gap closures on RFC7439? I am particularly interested in 4PE, 4VPE, and other MPLS enabled services like L3VPN, NG-MVPN, E-Line, E-LAN, and EVPN. Does Juniper have an "ipv4-tunneling" mpls keyword? Thanks, Jason

Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

Hi Becki, For me, it's not credible enough to put resources into pursuing it. Beyond that any benefits as a result of tracking it down would probably be less than zero. I posted the contents and headers in pastebin so if it had value to anyone else they'd be able to take advantage of it. Warm

Re: Network visibility

Me... 67. I arrived as an MIT Freshman, about a month before Ray Tomlinson sent the first ARPANET email (1971), and then about 15 years later had an office next to him at BBN.  I was at BBN when the guy in the next office pulled the plug on the ARPANET. (And... just because the topic of

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 17:43, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Oct 21, 2021, at 06:30 , Allen McKinley Kitchen (gmail) < > allenmckinleykitc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I totally agree that this is not a perfect analogy. But I have some > sympathy for both parties in this debate. > > Close enough on the

Internet history

[changed to a more appropriate subject] On 10/20/21 3:52 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: On 10/20/21 3:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the history of networking, When Wizards Stayed Up Late is quite elucidating. +10 to Where Wizards Stay Up

Re: Internet history

On Oct 21, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: > > [changed to a more appropriate subject] > > On 10/20/21 3:52 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: >> On 10/20/21 3:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: >>> Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the history of >>> networking, When

Re: Internet history

On 10/21/21 11:52 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Oct 21, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: [changed to a more appropriate subject] On 10/20/21 3:52 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: On 10/20/21 3:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the

Re: DOJ files suit to enforce FCC penalty for robocalls

My normal test for this is to register a new domain name and leave my whois info public. Over the span of 1-2 weeks I will usually get 50-100 calls from people with a certain accent asking for a mispronunciation of my name and if I need a website developed. Then I forward them over to my spam

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

I’m not sure I disagree, but let throw in a point of consideration. Historically, as you note, the caller pays the toll. However, the caller also CHOSE to call, even though the called party might find the call irritating. With a CDN, the network is out there hoping to be called, and the user

Re: Network visibility

Miles, Silly schmilly. These are important matters of great import, and thus it’s important someone has the final say. And since you agree with me, I’m happy for that to be you :) -mel On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:16 AM, Miles Fidelman mailto:mfidel...@meetinghouse.net>> wrote: Guys, You guys

Re: DOJ files suit to enforce FCC penalty for robocalls

On 10/21/21 10:57 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: The multi-million dollar fines announced with great fanfaire by the Federal Communication Commission are almost never collected. The FCC doesn't have enforcement authority to collect fines. The FCC usually withholds license renewals until penalties

Re: Internet history

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:15 PM John Levine wrote: > But it's definitely worth a visit, particularly if Len Kleinrock is around to > give his spiel about "LO" the first message. > > https://uclaconnectionlab.org/internet-museum/ Hi John, Is it currently possible to visit? The web page doesn't

DOJ files suit to enforce FCC penalty for robocalls

The multi-million dollar fines announced with great fanfaire by the Federal Communication Commission are almost never collected. The FCC doesn't have enforcement authority to collect fines. The FCC usually withholds license renewals until penalties are paid. If the violator doesn't have any

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021, 19:28 Fred Baker, wrote: > I’m not sure I disagree, but let throw in a point of consideration. > Historically, as you note, the caller pays the toll. However, the caller > also CHOSE to call, even though the called party might find the call > irritating. With a CDN, the

Re: Internet history

It appears that Patrick W. Gilmore said: > >My understanding is that really is IMP No. 1. Someone found it in the “to be >scrapped” pile & rescued it, then they closed off room 3420 & made it a >micro-museum. I believe the teletype >is not the original, but is a real ASR-33. The Sigma 7 is a

Re: Network visibility

Outside the datacenter is where DC power really shines in my opinion. Inside the DC, everything is AC now and probably for the best. We never came up with a modular standard for -48VDC. Perhaps that could have changed things. But it sure is nice having 72hrs of battery run time in the

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

Uh, that is what is being said… The user originated the call, so the CDN shouldn’t have to pay the user’s ISP to deliver the replies to the users’ requests. Owen > On Oct 21, 2021, at 11:28 , Fred Baker wrote: > > I’m not sure I disagree, but let throw in a point of consideration. >

Re: Network visibility

Just to throw in another curve ball what got many of us excited about the internet or Internet was that at the time there were several networking protocols in wide usage like SNA (IBM), DECNET (DEC), XNS (Xerox, ok not such wide usage), BITNET (mostly IBM systems, organization was volunteer,

RE: Network visibility

On October 21, 2021 at 16:04 bka...@ford.com (Kain, Becki (.)) wrote: > How old are all you people? My first experience with the ARPAnet was either 1977 or 1978 when someone got me an ITS account at MIT (BARRYS@AI), I was working at Harvard. Tho I didn't really have much use for the net other

RE: Network visibility

On October 21, 2021 at 16:13 bka...@ford.com (Kain, Becki (.)) wrote: > I'm just kidding. I wasn't on until 1990 when I was teaching IBM 370 > assembler I taught IBM 370 ASM for several years at BU, I can probably still explain what a CSECT is, never know when it might come up like right

Re: Network visibility

> On Oct 21, 2021, at 13:50 , Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE > wrote: > > Outside the datacenter is where DC power really shines in my opinion. Inside > the DC, everything is AC now and probably for the best. > > We never came up with a modular standard for -48VDC. Perhaps that

Re: Internet history

This didn't go through.  Trying again. On 10/21/2021 2:39 PM, scott wrote: On 10/21/2021 8:52 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: It was “LO”, and Mr. Kline sent the packets, but you got it essentially right.

Re: [External] Re: Anyone else getting the 'spam' bomb threat?

FWIW the term I'd use is "swatting" rather than "joe job". Perhaps picky but it may be the right interpretation, someone is trying to get someone else arrested and in some dramatic fashion, not just harassed. On October 21, 2021 at 16:43 hanni...@gmail.com (Martin Hannigan) wrote: > > Hi

more spaces in PTRs, this time totisp.net

Anyone? 1.179.154.11:1-179-180.11.cisp.totisp.\\ net dig -x 1.179.154.11 11.154.179.1.in-addr.arpa. 7200 IN PTR 1-179-180.11.cisp.totisp.\032net. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2553 w: http://hesketh.com/ Internet security and antispam hostname intelligence:

Re: Network visibility

- Original Message - > From: "Miles Fidelman" > Guys, > > You guys were in grade school, some of us were there at the beginning > (well, in my case, 2 years after the beginning).  I can assure you that > folks made a big deal about what was and wasn't the Internet, and the > distinction

Re: more spaces in PTRs, this time totisp.net

\032 is not a space. Decimal 32 (0x20, \040) is a space. \032 is a Ctrl-Z (26 decimal, 0x1a) Owen > On Oct 21, 2021, at 22:14 , Mel Beckman wrote: > > Typo I’d say. DB-drive DNS servers, which don’t keep their entries in > traditional PTR-record text format, can fall victim to this. Rather

Re: Internet history

On 21/10/2021 21:52, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Oct 21, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: [changed to a more appropriate subject] On 10/20/21 3:52 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG wrote: On 10/20/21 3:26 PM, Michael Thomas wrote: Just as an interesting aside if you're interested in the

Re: more spaces in PTRs, this time totisp.net

Typo I’d say. DB-drive DNS servers, which don’t keep their entries in traditional PTR-record text format, can fall victim to this. Rather than parse the text every times, they just spit out whatever is in the table column, even if it has embedded spaces. I’ve seen this happen in SnitchDNS.

Re: Safe Geo-location Defaults

It appears that Lukas Tribus said: >Yes... point your default coordinates to a safe location, please! > >https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/ >

Re: Network visibility

On 10/21/21 22:50, Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE wrote: Outside the datacenter is where DC power really shines in my opinion. Inside the DC, everything is AC now and probably for the best. We never came up with a modular standard for -48VDC. Perhaps that could have changed

DC Power choices (was Re: Network visibility)

One of the 4 or 5 datacenters in downtown Tampa had a telco or offshoot in their spaces, when I took All The Tours about 9 years ago. They have 8x750MCM hauling -48VDC from their power plant to the cage in question. On each side. It was, in fact, pretty impressive to look at. But I was a

Re: Providing IPv4 Services in an IPv6 Backbone

On 10/21/21 21:18, Jason Iannone wrote: Hi all, Have there been any gap closures on RFC7439? I am particularly interested in 4PE, 4VPE, and other MPLS enabled services like L3VPN, NG-MVPN, E-Line, E-LAN, and EVPN. Does Juniper have an "ipv4-tunneling" mpls keyword? I posted this here

Re: S.Korea broadband firm sues Netflix after traffic surge

On 10/21/21 20:28, Fred Baker wrote: I’m not sure I disagree, but let throw in a point of consideration. Historically, as you note, the caller pays the toll. However, the caller also CHOSE to call, even though the called party might find the call irritating. With a CDN, the network is out