Re: HP A-series, H3C, Huawei and their capabilities in real-life

2011-09-17 Thread Mark Smith
My apologies for using gmail. Company policy prohibits the use of corporate email and identity. Nobody has heard nothing? Hear no evil… ;) What we basically have at this point is vendor specifications, sales talk and rumors that big boys have built large networks using these boxes (or

Re: Re: IPV6 over a PPTP Link

2011-09-17 Thread gdxnfx
Maybe you can try,i am not sure it will work or not, i don't have the lab to test the script at this moment. aaa attribute list IPV6 attribute type addrv6 DHCPv6POOL protocol ipv6 ! username ipv6 privilege 0 password ipv6 username ipv6 aaa attribute list IPV6 ! Terry 发件人: Jared Mauch

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-17 Thread Michael Sinatra
On 09/16/11 08:35, John Curran wrote: On Sep 16, 2011, at 10:17 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com] Sent: 16 September 2011 16:05 To: John Curran Cc: NANOG list Subject: Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ? If

Re: ouch..

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/14/11 14:24 , Don Gould wrote: * Did you know that Cisco has a 100Gb solution? need more L3 1u TORs with 4 x 40 and 48 x 10...

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 13:50 , Nathan Eisenberg wrote: As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you want PI space, you have to

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:06, Joel jaeggli joe...@bogus.com wrote: . The ARIN community is easily it's own worst enemy. Not to mention the difficulty of actually getting a provider to let you announce their PA IP space to other providers if you already are / want multihoming. I just got

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you want PI space, you have to start off with PA space, utilize it, and then

Re: Disappointing ARIN - A great advertisement for the USA ?

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Michael Sinatra wrote: One approach would be the use of an option flag on the query to obtain the new hierarchical output No flag = no output change. Would that suffice? I think this would be a good way to proceed. John, has this been suggested as part of

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Cameron Byrne
On Sep 17, 2011 10:41 AM, Randy Bush ra...@psg.com wrote: As an ISP, ARIN will not give you any space if you are new. You have to already have an equivalent amount of space from another provider. does arin *really* still have that amazing barrier to market entry? Yes. If you want PI

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
All of the speculation and comment on this thread has been something to watch, but, it's not actually all that accurate. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2 NRPM 4.2 provides several ways in which an ISP can qualify for space As has been mentioned in this thread, efficiently using a PA

Re: ouch..

2011-09-17 Thread Chris Woodfield
Or...Go ahead and keep buying 6509 chassis, the 7600 brand is just a marketing thing -C On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Leigh Porter wrote: -Original Message- From: Always Learning [mailto:na...@u61.u22.net] Sent: 14 September 2011 14:39 To: N. Max Pierson Cc: nanog@nanog.org

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Carpenter
- Original Message - All of the speculation and comment on this thread has been something to watch, but, it's not actually all that accurate. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2 NRPM 4.2 provides several ways in which an ISP can qualify for space As has been mentioned

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: 2) Obtain ipv6 space from ARIN (inquired about getting space and ran into some issues. need to speak with my co founder and get details. evidently getting brand new v6 space for a brand new network is fairly difficult. for now may just

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:19 AM, John Curran wrote: On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: 2) Obtain ipv6 space from ARIN (inquired about getting space and ran into some issues. need to speak with my co founder and get details. evidently getting brand new v6 space for a brand

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Owen DeLong
On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote: - Original Message - All of the speculation and comment on this thread has been something to watch, but, it's not actually all that accurate. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2 NRPM 4.2 provides several ways in

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/17/2011 01:19 PM, John Curran wrote: On Sep 16, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote: 2) Obtain ipv6 space from ARIN (inquired about getting space and ran into some issues. need to speak with my co founder and get details. evidently getting brand new v6 space for a brand new network

Re: Traceroute losses through NYC1.gblx.net?

2011-09-17 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 9/16/11 11:42 , Steve Bohrer wrote: My general question is what meaning do I give to lossy traceroutes, even when pings show no problem. Can I expect that backbone routers should never give me timeouts on a traceroute through them, so, lots of asterisks from these systems indicate a

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
One more reason we can all do ourselves a favor by moving to ipv6, remove the number scarcity issue and associated baggage of begging for numbers silly hope. we created monopoly organizations. this kind of thing is self-perpetuating. randy

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
I have absolutely no doubt that there are sufficient folks participating in NANOG to get nearly any policy desired through the ARIN policy process. To the extent that folks don't care to learn the current policies and participate in the policy development process, they end up

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Randy Bush wrote: I have absolutely no doubt that there are sufficient folks participating in NANOG to get nearly any policy desired through the ARIN policy process. To the extent that folks don't care to learn the current policies and participate in the

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
I have absolutely no doubt that there are sufficient folks participating in NANOG to get nearly any policy desired through the ARIN policy process. To the extent that folks don't care to learn the current policies and participate in the policy development process, they end up

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote: One more reason we can all do ourselves a favor by moving to ipv6, remove the number scarcity issue and associated baggage of begging for numbers silly hope. we created monopoly organizations. this kind of thing is self-perpetuating. Randy

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
Strange... You seem to overcome it well enough to join in the discussion on PPML, but not to actual propose changes to policy. i believe you are mistaken. i am not knowingly a subscriber to ppml, and am not, to the best of my knowledge, participating in any discussion(s) there. a search of

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
One more reason we can all do ourselves a favor by moving to ipv6, remove the number scarcity issue and associated baggage of begging for numbers silly hope. we created monopoly organizations. this kind of thing is self-perpetuating. Randy - If you wish to propose an alternative which

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Randy - If you wish to propose an alternative which accomplishes the mission in a different manner, feel free to do so. The community has every opportunity and right to accomplish unique Internet number administration as it sees fit. rick adams

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
rick adams was right. this could be done very minimally with some software and maybe six to ten folk to back it up. gedanken experiment. instead of frelling up whois, printing comic books, and playing weenie regulators, design and describe an rir with a sign on the door which says internet

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread John Curran
On Sep 17, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Randy Bush wrote: Strange... You seem to overcome it well enough to join in the discussion on PPML, but not to actual propose changes to policy. i believe you are mistaken. i am not knowingly a subscriber to ppml, and am not, to the best of my knowledge,

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...) Date: February 21, 2011 9:00:50 PM EST To: Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com Cc: 'NANOG list' nanog@nanog.org, 'ARIN-PPML List' arin-p...@arin.net

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Bush
From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] NAT444 rumors (was Re: Looking for an IPv6 naysayer...) Date: February 21, 2011 9:00:50 PM EST To: Dan Wing dw...@cisco.com Cc: 'NANOG list' nanog@nanog.org, 'ARIN-PPML List' arin-p...@arin.net

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Randy Carpenter
I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the upstream, with the possible exception of a small block

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Randy Carpenter rcar...@network1.net I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Dobbins, Roland
On Sep 17, 2011, at 3:01 AM, Charles N Wyble wrote: One aspect of my network, will be operational transparency. So as much as possible will be viewable in real time. This includes v4/v6 traffic statistics. These books are required reading, IMHO:

Re: wet-behind-the-ears whippersnapper seeking advice on building a nationwide network

2011-09-17 Thread Charles N Wyble
On 09/17/2011 06:52 PM, Randy Carpenter wrote: I have a small ISP customer who is not multi-homed, and is using about a /21 and a half of space, and is expanding. Their upstream is refusing to give them more space, so they wanted to get their own, and give back the space to the upstream, with