Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Joseph Snyder
I will just say no on all parts of this current part of the conversation and leave it at that. - j Curtis Maurand wrote: On 3/14/2012 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > Christopher Morrow writes: > >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: >>> Faisal Imtiaz writes: >>> >>

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Masataka Ohta
William Herrin wrote: > I've been an IRTF RRG participant and in my day job I build backend > systems for mobile messaging devices used in some very challenging and > very global IP and non-IP environments. I know non-IP mobile environment is heavily encumbered. So, I can understand why you insis

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Masataka Ohta
Randy Bush wrote: > none of which seem to move us forward. i guess the lesson is that, as > long as we are well below moore, we just keep going down the slippery, > and damned expensive, slope. As long as we keep using IPv4, we are mostly stopping at /24 and must stop at /32. But, see the subje

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Curtis Maurand
On 3/14/2012 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Christopher Morrow writes: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: Faisal Imtiaz writes: I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it would allow you to

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Josh Hoppes
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:45 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > I fully expect them to develop an HDCP-or-equivalent enabled protocol to run > over IP Multicast. > > Do you have any reason you believe that won't happen? > > Owen I'm pretty sure it's already in place for IPTV solutions.

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > So it was _one_ of the drivers, but was it a more major driver than > "for the love of God, not Redback!"?  :) I think there were some significant issues with the redback of the time, but ... near as I recall a pile-o-cash was put fort

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Christopher Morrow writes: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: >> >> Faisal Imtiaz writes: >> >>> I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... >>> however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it >>> would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with s

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Nate Davis wrote: > Thanks Chris for the update to the list.  One minor clarification for the > community with regards to: > > 4) the proposal passed and the ARIN BoT essentially got a message from > IANA/IESG saying: >   "Hey, before you leap... lookout, perhaps t

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: > > Faisal Imtiaz writes: > >> I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... >> however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it >> would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp >> settings. (it's a feature

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Robert E. Seastrom
Faisal Imtiaz writes: > I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... > however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it > would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp > settings. (it's a feature that we have seen on Redback's...) AFAIK Verizon does not use Redb

RE: GRX looking glass

2012-03-14 Thread Eric Germann
While we're talking Looking Glasses, any pointers to best practices or pointers for securing a public looking glass, besides the obvious such as don't accept announcements originated from the LG. In a greenfield environment, is Zebra the choice? EKG -Original Message- From: Jared Geig

Re: GRX looking glass

2012-03-14 Thread Jared Geiger
Telia - http://looking-glass.telia.net/ Telecom Italia - http://gambadilegno.noc.seabone.net/lg/ The GRX option is at the very bottom of both. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Gus Crichton < gus.crich...@digicelgroup.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Any public looking glasses for GRX? > > Thanks. > >

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: while this is reasonable, we all have to keep in mind, that you can I can 'toss' in route-reflectors for a few hundred to a few thousand dollars each... Folks like VZ and AT&T pay top dollars for top capacity equipment to handle stuff.. so you are talk

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "William Herrin" > Well... they brand it as a SOHO service and AFAICT they refuse to > install "business fios" anywhere zoned commercial. I have Business FiOS in 2 rented commercial properties; business office space. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
On 3/14/2012 3:32 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible to customer's needs and are willing to support custom configurations but .. it has to make business sense...and the underlying infras

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Keegan Holley
In defense of the tier 1's it's not as easy as it looks to run BGP with the lower end business customers. On the technical side the edge boxes and links to them would be as overloaded with routes and peers and all of the other PE boxes in an ISP network. Not to mention the changes in routing poli

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Justin M. Streiner wrote: > The point (and this goes back to my original post) was that VZ is missing > out on revenue (and customer service, but let's not get ahead of > ourselves...) > opportunities by not offering such a thing as an add-on for their business- >

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Justin M. Streiner
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible to customer's needs and are willing to support custom configurations but .. it has to make business sense...and the underlying infrastructure be able to support that configuration.

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Ricky Beam
On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:19:16 -0400, William Herrin wrote: Nope. I have FiOS and the 5 IPs. They are 5 IPs, in sequence, at a completely arbitrary location in a /24 subnet. ... Time Warner (TWTC, not TWC) does the same thing... we have 8 addresses from them... 131 - 138; it's a /24 and we get

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Yes, Dane is not only very smart but also a very sharp and savvy business operator.. But I am also sure they are not doing this as a 'no charge' offering for a 'resi' circuit. Most competitive ISP's (such as Sonic and ourselves) a very flexible to customer's needs and are willing to support cu

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 14, 2012, at 7:41 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM, ML wrote: >> On 3/14/2012 2:22 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >>> >>> NetRange: 100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 >>> CIDR: 100.64.0.0/10 >>> OriginAS: >>> NetName:SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RF

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Owen DeLong
On Mar 14, 2012, at 9:18 AM, wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:13:41 PDT, Owen DeLong said: >> I expect within my lifetime that multi-gigabit ethernet will become >> commonplace in the household LAN environment and that when that >> becomes reality, localized IP Multicast over multi-gigabit ethe

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Mehmet Akcin
As far as I know only ISP that will let you do BGP with them on DSL is Sonic and their Fusion service is awesome but very limited to bay area. they rock though. mehmet On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:36 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... > however I suspect that if t

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Nate Davis
Thanks Chris for the update to the list. One minor clarification for the community with regards to: 4) the proposal passed and the ARIN BoT essentially got a message from IANA/IESG saying: "Hey, before you leap... lookout, perhaps the IETF should weigh in?" After the ARIN Advisory Council fo

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Robert Bonomi
Mike Andrews wrote: > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:39:21PM +, Leigh Porter wrote: > > > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > > > > > > The only reason you got HDMI at all was because the content owners > > > managed to get HDCP included. You won't get a replacement

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Mike Andrews
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 04:39:21PM +, Leigh Porter wrote: > > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > > > > The only reason you got HDMI at all was because the content owners > > managed to get HDCP included. You won't get a replacement that doesn't > > do HDCP until

Re: Email Integration / Account Migration

2012-03-14 Thread Thomas King
Hi all, I suggest to check out www.audriga.com which runs www.email-umzug.de and www.groupware-migration.com. They are from Germany and adhere the EU data privacy regulations. I have to disclose that I am one of the founders of www.audriga.com. :-) So, if you have any questions about www.audriga.

RE: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Leigh Porter
> -Original Message- > From: valdis.kletni...@vt.edu [mailto:valdis.kletni...@vt.edu] > > The only reason you got HDMI at all was because the content owners > managed to get HDCP included. You won't get a replacement that doesn't > do HDCP until we fix the sorry state of copyright in th

Re: Shim6, was: Re: filtering /48 is going to be necessary

2012-03-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:13:41 PDT, Owen DeLong said: > I expect within my lifetime that multi-gigabit ethernet will become > commonplace in the household LAN environment and that when that > becomes reality, localized IP Multicast over multi-gigabit ethernet > will eventually supplant HDMI as the pr

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 7:54 AM, ML wrote: > On 3/14/2012 2:22 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> >> NetRange:       100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 >> CIDR:           100.64.0.0/10 >> OriginAS: >> NetName:        SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RFCTBD-IANA-RESERVED >> > > > Did IANA have to justify this space to

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I am not familiar with VZ's FIOS network... however I suspect that if they are using a Redback at the Headend, it would allow you to have a 'bridge' network with secure arp settings. (it's a feature that we have seen on Redback's...) Allows you to have a 'flat network' for all your subs, and t

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" > Is that is needed, what is wrong with that ? Well, we just had FiOS Business 150/65 dropped this week, and my /27 isn't even a /27; we're sharing a /24 with, presumably, a bunch of other customers. Not sure how BGP would handle that... Che

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
in the DSL world, when we were providing service using Bridge PVC's, it was easier to allocate (as many needed) /32 to a customer CPE, than to route a subnet. This changed when the AT&T/BellSouth infrastructure changed from being able to get ATM PVC's to PPPoE only network. Faisal Imtiaz Snapp

Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?

2012-03-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Is that is needed, what is wrong with that ? Isn't MPLS a form of encapsulation ? Don't the enterprise folks run routing protocols on it ? With carriers today it is very common to deliver L2 connectivity over L3 networks. One does not have to like it...and just because someone else (upstream)

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread ML
On 3/14/2012 2:22 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: NetRange: 100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 CIDR: 100.64.0.0/10 OriginAS: NetName:SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RFCTBD-IANA-RESERVED Did IANA have to justify this space to ARIN or was it just given to them no questions asked because a

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Måns Nilsson
On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:22:04AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > NetRange: 100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 > CIDR: 100.64.0.0/10 > OriginAS: > NetName:SHARED-ADDRESS-SPACE-RFCTBD-IANA-RESERVED GOOD. Now I can BOTH keep sticking my head in the sand AND get NEW RFC 1918 s

Re: shared address space... a reality!

2012-03-14 Thread Joel jaeggli
On 3/14/12 00:06 , Frank Habicht wrote: > Hi, > > On 3/14/2012 9:42 AM, Joel jaeggli wrote: >> On 3/13/12 23:29 , Joel jaeggli wrote: >>> On 3/13/12 23:22 , Christopher Morrow wrote: NetRange: 100.64.0.0 - 100.127.255.255 CIDR: 100.64.0.0/10 OriginAS: NetName: