How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Sean Donelan
Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics. What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, all IP networks including managed IP and private IP, and all telecommunications

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Alex
Current size is HUGE and growing at a phenomenal speed. Public IP networks...just look at ARIN, RIPE,etc and see how many IPs there are left. Private networks and private IPs...well that is anyone's guess. There are no estimates because everything changes rather fast and noone can keep up

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Gabriel Blanchard
Iz this big *spreads arms wide open* On 13-08-14 11:10 AM, Alex wrote: Current size is HUGE and growing at a phenomenal speed. Public IP networks...just look at ARIN, RIPE,etc and see how many IPs there are left. Private networks and private IPs...well that is anyone's guess. There are no

RE: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread James Sink
Pretty big, but they gotta keep it trimmed down to fit on a floppy disk. Details within - http://www.cidr-report.org -James -Original Message- From: Sean Donelan [mailto:s...@donelan.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:32 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: How big is the Internet?

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Anthony Williams
One segment is the number of people on the planet with a mobile device that can connect to the Internet? Throw in laptops, workstations, servers, routers, toasters, etc and the number starts to get pretty big. The NSA will need some more hard drives. lol ** Of the 6 billion cell phones in

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Frank Habicht
On 8/14/2013 5:32 PM, Sean Donelan wrote: What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, the whole internet... .. is actually the same size in v4 and v6: 0/0 Frank PS: sorry. my mistake: one of them is ::/0

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Saku Ytti
On (2013-08-14 10:32 -0400), Sean Donelan wrote: What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, all IP networks including managed IP and private IP, and all telecommunications including analog voice, video, sensor data, etc? One interesting datapoint might be how many OUI have

Re: How big is the Internet? - about the size of a strawberry

2013-08-14 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:32:13AM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics. What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, all IP

Re: How big is the Internet? - about the size of a tastey strawberry

2013-08-14 Thread RijilV
On 14 August 2013 10:06, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:32:13AM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics. What are

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jorge Amodio
This big has been a pretty accurate answer over the years -Jorge On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:32 AM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics.

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Nick Khamis
On 8/14/13, Jorge Amodio jmamo...@gmail.com wrote: This big has been a pretty accurate answer over the years -Jorge Oh hahahhaah. Oh man, I better get back to work. Have a nice day gentlemen :). Nick from Toronto.

route-views3 resource update

2013-08-14 Thread John Kemp
Subject: route-views3 resource update * route-views3.routeviews.org * route-views3 was, until yesterday, a Cisco 7206VXR (NPE-G2) 1GB. route-views3 is now a Redhat 6 box running Quagga 0.99.22.3. This change was made due to memory exhaustion on the older hardware. Quagga provides a similar but

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Tim Durack
Not as big as the one that got away... (IPv6) On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics. What are the current

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Scott Howard
To paraphrase Douglas Adams... The Internet is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! Scott On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Sean

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Wayne Wenthin
According to The IT Crowd... http://vinipsmaker.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/the_internet_it_crowd.gif That big. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Caruso, Anthony
You guys are cracking me up and I'm getting odd stares. Now stop it. I've got to get this internet thing on a CDROM for my boss by 5p so he can review it tonight... On Aug 14, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Wayne Wenthin wayne.went...@cascadetech.org wrote: According to The IT Crowd...

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Sean Donelan
I should have remembered, NANOG prefers to correct things. So here are several estimates about how much IP/Internet traffic is downloaded in a month. Does anyone have better numbers, or better souces of numbers that can be shared? Arbor/Merit/Michigan Internet Observatory: 9,000 PB/month

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 03:00:51PM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: I should have remembered, NANOG prefers to correct things. So here are several estimates about how much IP/Internet traffic is downloaded in a month. Does anyone have better numbers, or better souces of numbers that can be

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Roy
On 8/14/2013 11:29 AM, Scott Howard wrote: To paraphrase Douglas Adams... The Internet is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! Scott

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jason Chambers
On 8/14/13 7:32 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: Researchers have complained for years about the lack of good statistics about the internet for a couple fo decades, since the end of NSFNET statistics. What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, all IP networks including managed IP

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 14, 2013, at 15:00 , Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: I should have remembered, NANOG prefers to correct things. So here are several estimates about how much IP/Internet traffic is downloaded in a month. Does anyone have better numbers, or better souces of numbers that can be

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jorge Amodio
IPV6 makes it wider -Jorge On Aug 14, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: Not as big as the one that got away... (IPv6)

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 7f58db7c-702a-4d2d-ad50-6ddf98439...@gmail.com, Jorge Amodio writes: IPV6 makes it wider -Jorge On Aug 14, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Tim Durack tdur...@gmail.com wrote: Not as big as the one that got away... (IPv6) 10^12 km^3 -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley,

Re: How big is the Internet? - about the size of a strawberry

2013-08-14 Thread Jayram Deshpande
If we try to comprehend the Internet in terms of number of boxes that can reach from their local networks to globally routable destinations, we have to take into account Multi- NATed , multi-tunneled (ipv6 over ipv4 in a VPLS , and other crazy scenarios such v6 over v4 in a VPLS running over

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 10:31 AM, Anthony Williams wrote: One segment is the number of people on the planet with a mobile device that can connect to the Internet? Throw in laptops, workstations, servers, routers, toasters, etc and the number starts to get pretty big. The NSA will need some more hard

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 1:29 PM, Scott Howard wrote: To paraphrase Douglas Adams... The Internet is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space! It occurred

RE: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Ian Smith
Yes. Smartphones have one or more IPs, which may or may not be IPv4/IPv6 public or rfc1918 address space. There is some tunnelling between the radio and the packet core, but they typically are first class Internet nodes. You could look at them as analogous to cable modems or wifi clients.

.gov DNSSEC operational message

2013-08-14 Thread Wessels, Duane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On the morning of August 14, a relatively small number of networks may have experienced an operational disruption related to the signing of the .gov zone. In preparation for a previously announced algorithm rollover, a software defect resulted in

CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Zachary McGibbon
I noticed my bandwidth graphs were a little out of whack tonight and after much digging through pcap files I found that my chrome tab with 'cnn.com' had a live stream of cnn playing on the right side halfway down. It seems this started around 8am this morning and it was a macromedia tcp flash

Re: CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Larry Sheldon
On 8/14/2013 8:24 PM, Zachary McGibbon wrote: I noticed my bandwidth graphs were a little out of whack tonight and after much digging through pcap files I found that my chrome tab with 'cnn.com' had a live stream of cnn playing on the right side halfway down. It seems this started around 8am

Re: CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Jordan Michaels
On 08/14/2013 06:42 PM, Larry Sheldon wrote: Trying to get their numbers up off the floor? lol. That was my first thought as well. =P -Jordan

Re: CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Jeff Kell
On 8/14/2013 9:24 PM, Zachary McGibbon wrote: It seems this started around 8am this morning and it was a macromedia tcp flash stream on port 1935. Wait until they throw some OctoShape P2P streaming video at you... Jeff

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jimmy Hess
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Alex dreamwave...@yahoo.com wrote: Current size is HUGE and growing at a phenomenal speed. Public IP networks...just look at ARIN, RIPE,etc and see how many IPs there are left. Private networks and private IPs...well that is anyone's guess. There are no

RE: CNN broadcasting online free? Hogging my bandwidth...

2013-08-14 Thread Nathan Anderson
On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:24 PM, Zachary McGibbon mailto:zachary.mcgibbon+na...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed my bandwidth graphs were a little out of whack tonight and after much digging through pcap files I found that my chrome tab with 'cnn.com' had a live stream of cnn playing on the

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Lyle Giese
On 08/14/13 15:00, Roy wrote: On 8/14/2013 11:29 AM, Scott Howard wrote: To paraphrase Douglas Adams... The Internet is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com What are the current estimates about the size of the Internet, all IP networks including managed IP and private IP, and all telecommunications including analog voice, video, sensor data, etc? I can't decide, Sean, whether it's

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net All that said: My back-of-the-envelope math says the Internet is order of 1 exabyte/day, as defined by my own rules on what counts as the Internet[*]. I could easily be wrong, but you asked. Which means that you could

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Scott Howard
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net All that said: My back-of-the-envelope math says the Internet is order of 1 exabyte/day, as defined by my own rules on what counts as the

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: It is actually even harder than the above illustrates. Most people define Mbps on the Internet as inter-AS bits. But then what about Akamai AANP nodes, Google GGC nodes, Netflix Open Connect nodes, etc.? They are all inside the AS. Given that

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Clinton Popovich
so true On 8/14/2013 10:10 PM, Scott Howard wrote: On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Patrick W. Gilmore patr...@ianai.net All that said: My back-of-the-envelope math says the Internet is order of 1 exabyte/day, as defined

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Aug 15, 2013, at 00:19 , Sean Donelan s...@donelan.com wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: It is actually even harder than the above illustrates. Most people define Mbps on the Internet as inter-AS bits. But then what about Akamai AANP nodes, Google GGC nodes, Netflix

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Ferguson
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 9:27 PM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:19:38AM -0400, Sean Donelan wrote: Either there is a lot of traffic missing, or market concentration is much greater than assumed. I'd argue that its both. I don't want to argue, but

Re: How big is the Internet?

2013-08-14 Thread Randy Bush
i think of cdns as simpler. aside from the nyt-core-to-cdn traffic, they're just as if the nyt had connectivity to the provider(s) which embedded the cache. they are not another layer of traffic, but rather just traffic for the provider(s) in which they embedded. randy